Re: Loading a one pack system without tape drive

2010-08-04 Thread Matan Cohen
I'm sorry but i wasn't clear enough , in this sentence you quote me I refer to a LOAD of Z/os without using of an already running OS . I was refer to getting a z/OS from blank (DASD empty) and without TAPEs this leave us the option to LOAD a SA software from the DVD (or even USB - I don't

Re: HTTP TO HTTPS CONVERSION

2010-08-04 Thread Bill Godfrey
I haven't done this myself on a web server, so I don't know how to configure the web server to do it, but I know, from the client's perspective, that Paypal's web server does it by returning a Location header to the client browser with the https URL, which causes the client browser to issue

Re: Loading a one pack system without tape drive

2010-08-04 Thread Mike Schwab
Load a z/VM evaluation copy from HMC-DVD-RAM and use it to download z/OS? http://www.vm.ibm.com/eval/zvm53eef.pdf z/10 required. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Matan Cohen matancohen...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry but i wasn't clear enough , in this sentence you quote me I refer to a LOAD of

Re: Loading a one pack system without tape drive

2010-08-04 Thread Matan Cohen
it's not a bad idea! but what did you ment by Z/10 require? On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: Load a z/VM evaluation copy from HMC-DVD-RAM and use it to download z/OS? http://www.vm.ibm.com/eval/zvm53eef.pdf z/10 required. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:08

Re: Loading a one pack system without tape drive

2010-08-04 Thread Mike Schwab
z/VM evaluation DVD-RAMs won't run on an older processor. Maybe and earlier version will. Or maybe a z/Linux IPLable DVD should run on any Z processor, if the processor supports IPLing from the DVD. There was a minimum level requirement in the PDF document for the HMC code too. On Wed, Aug 4,

Re: Question on size of IEFBR14 and z/OS V1.11

2010-08-04 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Lizette Koehler wrote: I got a question from one of my co workers on why his job abended with an S822 Reason=0014 The job have over 200 steps running mostly DB2 Tools from CA. There is no region size on the jobcard. Each step (except the one that got the S822) has a REGION=0M Why? As

Re: SMF records for data set open/close

2010-08-04 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Sure, and if he is trying to exlude records for temporary datasets, there a parameter in SMFPRMxx for it. Kees. Kelman, Tom thomas.kel...@commercebank.com wrote in message news:a30a9f528e618748a8ef5199e80c4a1c04cfc...@wkpp1infmb03.cbsh.com... I'm also curious as to why you would want to filter

Re: share mainframe disk experience

2010-08-04 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2010-08-03 23:00, Ted MacNEIL pisze: [...] Give them the RMF data and make them run their models (they all have them). Make sure the performance guarantees are there before the contract is signed, not after. I don't believe in benchmarketting; the only TRUE test is Production. How do

Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors?

2010-08-04 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2010-08-04 02:10, Clark, Kevin pisze: Excellent...thank you sir... With such limited options for Mainframe (Enterprise tape drives) our targeted solution will come down to the best reseller with non technical add-ons. Sure could use another vendor in this market (Hitachi - Memorex )

Re: share mainframe disk experience

2010-08-04 Thread Ted MacNEIL
YOU CANNOT TEST YOUR PRODUCTION before you move your production on the ONE VENDORs equipment. Our last acquisition(s) we used time-finder, FDRPAS, or some other equivalent to migrate. And, we monitored while moving. To summarize, your approach is more or less I don't care about any technical

Re: HTTP TO HTTPS CONVERSION

2010-08-04 Thread Jim Marshall
We have a WEBSRV running on the Mainframe and we are trying to figure out how to get our address of http:// to automatically convert to https:// when the user types it in... Believe you are asking for users who type in http://; is for it to get converted to https://; on the return and

Re: Question on size of IEFBR14 and z/OS V1.11

2010-08-04 Thread John Eells
Lizette Koehler wrote: I got a question from one of my co workers on why his job abended with an S822 Reason=0014 The job have over 200 steps running mostly DB2 Tools from CA. There is no region size on the jobcard. Each step (except the one that got the S822) has a REGION=0M The step

Re: Enhancements coming to ETR function in IBMLINK

2010-08-04 Thread Staller, Allan
Stand by for a bumpy ride if this works as well as the other recent improvement efforts! snip Announcement of Enhancements to the ETR Function We are pleased to announce that the next generation of IBM's ETR electronic tool is launching during 4Q 2010 with the enhanced IBM Service Request (SR)

IPL My One Pack

2010-08-04 Thread Daniel McLaughlin
I am finally old enough not to be embarrassed by my own lack of understanding. Built a one pack recovery system via Mark's routine and am tailoring it now. The stump point is how do I IPL it? Do I create a SYS1.IPLPARM on that pack and go from there or what? That stems from a future DR exercise

Re: Question on size of IEFBR14 and z/OS V1.11

2010-08-04 Thread Terri E Shaffer
Something you could also add in DIAGxx is VSM CHECKREGIONLOSS(256K,100M) with numbers related to your shop RTM. This will recycle wlm and jes2 inits when the region available is less than the amount specified. It will not help this job per say, but would recycle the init afterwards to cleanup

Re: IPL My One Pack

2010-08-04 Thread Walter Marguccio
The stump point is how do I IPL it? Do I create a SYS1.IPLPARM on t The stump point is how do I IPL it? Do I create a SYS1.IPLPARM on that pack and go from there or what? You *can* place your LOADxx on SYS1.IPLPARM, but you don't have to. Since Mark's jobs create a SYS1.PARMLIB, you can

Re: Question on size of IEFBR14 and z/OS V1.11

2010-08-04 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 00:30:31 -0500, Barbara Nitz wrote: I spent quite some time debugging a similar 822 on certain Endeavor-jobs. My IEFUSI unconditionally overrides any region smaller than 32M to give the full region below. ... ??? And zero above? Sounds broken to me? Rationale? What does

Documentation ideas for IBM vendors

2010-08-04 Thread McKown, John
IBM currently seems to have three formats for documentation. They are: BookManager (.boo), Adobe PDF, and some other which seems to be Information Center format and is webby. I have a Kindle DX and keep IBM's documentation in PDF format on it. A friend here said the DX is too large. But the

Re: Enhancements coming to ETR function in IBMLINK

2010-08-04 Thread Staller, Allan
Exactly! snip BOHICA ? /snip -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 7:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Enhancements coming to ETR function in IBMLINK Stand by

Re: SuperCE

2010-08-04 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Wayne Bickerdike Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SuperCE Um, no. Two file matches don't work too well without a sort. Not true.

Re: Linkage conventions (was Re: z/OS 1.12 beta sites)

2010-08-04 Thread Steve Comstock
Tom Marchant wrote: On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 12:02:29 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote: Peter Relson wrote: As to your point about allocating using space based on a format shown in a book, that is not using best programming practices when a symbol is provided in a macro. I disagree. I use the docs as

Re: Question on size of IEFBR14 and z/OS V1.11

2010-08-04 Thread Lizette Koehler
Thanks to all who replied. Yes, at 1am in the morning I was not truly as clear headed as I could have been, and the size of IEFBR14 is not the issue. Most likely the problem is going to be storage fragmentation for below the line. Barbara's answer of using 0M for the region on that step will be

Re: IPL My One Pack

2010-08-04 Thread Daniel McLaughlin
That should have been obvious to me...thank you for your assist. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at

Current SHARE Proceedings

2010-08-04 Thread Michael Cleary
Greetings, For the last few SHAREs, I was able to look at the proceedings by clicking on Proceedings and then the latest SHARE event would be at the top of the drop down. In fact, these were actually available before the SHARE even started. For the current SHARE, I can't seem to locate any of

Re: Question on size of IEFBR14 and z/OS V1.11

2010-08-04 Thread Staller, Allan
As one of the other posters recommended. USE VSMCHECKREGIONLOSS in DIAGxx. I checks for fragmentation and automatically drains/restarts the initiatior thus, you do not have to review the dump. HTH, snip Most likely the problem is going to be storage fragmentation for below the line. Barbara's

Re: Current SHARE Proceedings

2010-08-04 Thread Gene Hudders
Hi: You need to sign on and click on the right hand side where it says conference schedule. Regards, Gene In a message dated 8/4/2010 9:22:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michaeljosephcle...@yahoo.com writes: Greetings, For the last few SHAREs, I was able to look at the proceedings

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread Alan Schenck
If this myth needs to be busted, may I suggest that we involve the likes of Jamie Hyneman, Adam Savage, Tory Belleci, Kari Byron, and Grant Imahara? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email

Re: Current SHARE Proceedings

2010-08-04 Thread Michael Cleary
Thanks Gene, I can see them now. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Schenck Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe If this myth needs to be busted, may I suggest

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread Alan Schenck
Dude. One word cement truck. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at

Re: Current SHARE Proceedings

2010-08-04 Thread Scott Fagen
Here's the byzantine path to get to the current proceedings: - Go to share.org - Mouse over Events - On the drop down, click on Current Conference directly under events, NOT Share Online from Boston - Look for the Technical Program Content box and click on Online Schedule (first link in the box)

OSA Hardware Error?

2010-08-04 Thread Hal Merritt
Received the following message: EZZ4310I ERROR: CODE=80100040 REPORTED ON DEVICE XX501. DIAGNOSTIC CODE: 03 The FM states for '0040': INOP-deact SAP Explanation: SAP has become inoperative. After quite a bit of digging, all I can find is that SAP means 'service access point'. But no clue

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread Steve Comstock
Alan Schenck wrote: Dude. One word cement truck. Clueless. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment

Re: Question on size of IEFBR14 and z/OS V1.11

2010-08-04 Thread Ted MacNEIL
My understanding is that anything over 16MiB normally results in whatever below is available plus unlimited above. Your understanding is wrong. Anything over 16M does give you everything below, but it limits above. If you specify between 16 and 32, you get 32 in total. Whatever you specify above

Re: Question on size of IEFBR14 and z/OS V1.11

2010-08-04 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Sorry, I left a hanging fragment from the original post. Re-sent, corrected. My understanding is that anything over 16MiB normally results in whatever below is available plus unlimited above. Your understanding is wrong. Anything over 16M does give you everything below, but it limits above.

Re: IPL My One Pack

2010-08-04 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 07:44:47 -0500, Daniel McLaughlin daniel_mclaugh...@us.crawco.com wrote: I am finally old enough not to be embarrassed by my own lack of understanding. Built a one pack recovery system via Mark's routine and am tailoring it now. The stump point is how do I IPL it? Do I create

Re: PDSs or libraries in other OSs was Re: Another reason to hate PDSE's

2010-08-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In du2356lef63ibf2hqc4fgng1rrd62u9...@4ax.com, on 07/29/2010 at 11:14 AM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca said: I don't know anything about the BUNCH operating systems and their successors. The had libraries, in some cases with better interfaces than PDS's. I don't see anything

Re: OT completely..........

2010-08-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In listserv%201007020846367870.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 07/02/2010 at 08:46 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Yet there are products such as ClamAV for Linux, so it appears that someone perceives a need. If you're passing data to a vulnerable system then it makes sense to scan those

Re: Question on size of IEFBR14 and z/OS V1.11

2010-08-04 Thread Don Imbriale
Correction, if coding between 16M and 32M the default is 32M, from JCL Reference: If your installation does not change the IBM-supplied default limits in the IEALIMIT or IEFUSI exit routine modules, then specifying various values for the region size has the following results: - A value equal to

Re: OMVS copy files

2010-08-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 701728a732d7324294b9ef836edbb7700114989...@msmail02.luv.ad.swacorp.com, on 07/26/2010 at 10:57 AM, Mark Steely mark.ste...@wnco.com said: We are z/OS V1R11. I am trying to copy the OMVS (ZFS) files to my TEST system. I used DFDSS logical dump and restore and I also renamed the files using

Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors?

2010-08-04 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:44:00 +0200, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: Virtual drive libraries: IBM, STK/Oracle Add Bus-Tech and EMC (DLm) to the list for virtual. IIRC, DLm is based on the same Bus-Tech VTL.Sutmyn also used to be a player in that space, but I think they haven't

Re: I'm amazed

2010-08-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
Post top don't please. In aanlktinddb_gap6j5mjrhfxhyknwf0jwdyv-n6uhi...@mail.gmail.com, on 08/03/2010 at 02:24 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com said: Nonsense. You haven't got a clue. Go to their web site and read the terms. The issues are that the requisite code to support the zBX is not

Re: History of Hard-coded Offsets (Was: TSSO problems)

2010-08-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4c584ed4.8030...@ync.net, on 08/03/2010 at 12:16 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net said: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In 4c56d535.9020...@ync.net, on 08/02/2010 at 09:24 AM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net said: Most of those geometry-related System Services didn't exist! :-)

Re: History of Hard-coded Offsets (Was: TSSO problems)

2010-08-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4c584e96.3080...@ync.net, on 08/03/2010 at 12:15 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net said: I can remember that a OS/360 Stage-1 assembly took just over 2 hours on a 256K 360/44 with a DSO and reader present. The 2044 didn't have SS instructions, so you got a performance hit simulating

Re: History of Hard-coded Offsets

2010-08-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4c584e18.50...@ync.net, on 08/03/2010 at 12:12 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net said: The 2302 was also an oddball device, with rather strange geometry. Oddball? It was just a repackaged 1302; the M3 had 2 modules and the M4 had 4. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT

Re: Question on size of IEFBR14 and z/OS V1.11

2010-08-04 Thread Martin Packer
Are we missing something here? Didn't R.11 allow IEFBR14 to issue HDELETEs as appropriate? And mightn't that take up some 24-Bit virtual? (In addition to everything others are saying about fragmentation.) Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, Mainframe Performance Consultant, zChampion Worldwide

Re: I'm amazed

2010-08-04 Thread zMan
Per-user license fee for what? We're talking about Linux, IIRC. But apparently you know more than the principal zEnterprise architect -- a good trick. I'm impressed. BTW, it's not clear what their web site is -- IBM? SCO? Read it again -- read what? Clear as mud. P.S. Let's not have the

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread Mark Pace
One of the larger explosions on Myth Busters was a cement truck. It was completely packed with C4. When it went off, the cement truck disappeared. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.comwrote: Alan Schenck wrote: Dude. One word cement truck.

Re: I'm amazed

2010-08-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005d5e04...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 08/03/2010 at 11:29 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: This is new to me. Are you saying that X/Open will not certify a system as UNIX unless there is a way to have per user licenses? Essentially. The

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread Steve Comstock
Alan Schenck wrote: If this myth needs to be busted, may I suggest that we involve the likes of Jamie Hyneman, Adam Savage, Tory Belleci, Kari Byron, and Grant Imahara? Duh! I don't know any of those names. Sorry, but the allusion is just lost, and I suspect I'm not the only one. -- Kind

Re: I'm amazed

2010-08-04 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:58:36 -0400, zMan wrote: Per-user license fee for what? We're talking about Linux, IIRC. But apparently you know more than the principal zEnterprise architect -- a good trick. I'm impressed. I guess you weren't paying attention to what you were replying to. Shmuel's

Re: OT completely..........

2010-08-04 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: Just tell them, Oh! RACF does all that! Lying to your management is not a good idea. Agreed about lying, but see below: Paul wrote on 2 July this (I quote fully for clarity): Perhaps it's merely to satisfy a management edict that Every computer must run AV

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
TV show called mythbusters. Great program! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe Alan Schenck

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread Bonno, Tuco
out of curiosity, do you recall just how they managed to get ahold of *that much* C4? you're talking about 8 CUBIC YARDS of the stuff in the mixer, if it really really was completely packed .. I used the stuff on occasion in viet-nam, and believe me, you don't need 8 cubic yards of that

Re: OSA Hardware Error?

2010-08-04 Thread Chris Mason
Hal What does the output from an OSA/SF IOACMD QUERY ONE_OSA chpid command show? You may need then to check the OSA fine manual, Open Systems Adapter-Express Customer’s Guide and Reference, SA22-7935-10, in order to interpret a code you will - I hope - find in the output. Since XX501 is so

Re: Question on size of IEFBR14 and z/OS V1.11

2010-08-04 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Question on size of IEFBR14 and z/OS V1.11 Barbara, Thanks. This may be a similar issue. I

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread Howard Brazee
On 3 Aug 2010 22:16:33 -0700, timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples) wrote: Yet that's exactly what's NOT happening (or at least not happening fast enough) in the rest of computing -- and that's a big problem for individual businesses and for the planet. Remember those old movies which

Re: Question on size of IEFBR14 and z/OS V1.11

2010-08-04 Thread J R
No! See John Eells' post below. The HDELETE functionalty was added to allocation and is triggered by the recognition of IEFBR14. So, IEFBR14 has not increased in size but the addittional functionality within allocation may well be the culprit. Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:58:04 +0100

Re: OSA Hardware Error?

2010-08-04 Thread Chris Mason
Hal Sorry, I intended to try the fine web before posting my previous response but I forgot until I pressed Send! CODE=80100040 OSA as search words to Google, offered APAR PK26843: EZZ4310I ERROR: CODE=80100040 REPORTED ON DEVICE DEVNAME. DIAGNOSTIC CODE: 03 as the first hit. The date is 2006

Re: I'm amazed

2010-08-04 Thread zMan
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.comwrote: I guess you weren't paying attention to what you were replying to. Shmuel's comment was about Linux being certified as Unix. It has absolutely nothing to do with z/Enterprise architecture. Ah. I actually was paying

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread Ron Hawkins
You have to stay in more, and watch TV. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 7:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bonno, Tuco Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe out of curiosity, do you recall just how they

Re: Question on size of IEFBR14 and z/OS V1.11

2010-08-04 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Correction, if coding between 16M and 32M the default is 32M. That's what I said: 16M above, is 32M in total. - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: Question on size of IEFBR14 and z/OS V1.11

2010-08-04 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Didn't R.11 allow IEFBR14 to issue HDELETEs as appropriate? No, that's not quite accurate. IEFBR14 hasn't changed. The HDELETEs are done by some mechanism within the system/initiator. Not to hijack this thread, but (as I've said before) that's a kludge! - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers,

Re: socket select problem

2010-08-04 Thread Chris Mason
Osman A few comments on your posting: 1. It distorts Google Groups when you take a post from an existing thread and change the title in order to attempt to start a new thread - although the regular archives don't get confused. 2. The list which the folk most likely to have an answer for you -

Re: Question on size of IEFBR14 and z/OS V1.11

2010-08-04 Thread Don Imbriale
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: Correction, if coding between 16M and 32M the default is 32M. That's what I said: 16M above, is 32M in total. Again from JCL Reference (32M above plus whatever is available below): - A value greater than 16,384K or 16M

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread Kirk Talman
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 08/03/2010 10:45:09 AM: From: John P Kalinich jkali...@csc.com I would not worry about FUD given the following statement from the article. Some companies still employ an older mainframe with a screen known as a 3270 terminal

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread Mark Pace
Youtube of Cement truck turning into confetti. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxm_qpKh7Jw On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:17 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bonno,

Re: History of Hard-coded Offsets

2010-08-04 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip-- With single page i/o transfers on 2301 drum ... cp67 would saturate at about 80 page i/os per second. With chained-requests, I could get peaks approaching 300 page i/os per second (chained requests eliminated the avg. 1/2

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread Bonno, Tuco
I'm still trying to figure out, what was the myth they were trying to expose? I've watched the show a few times and always found it interesting, but each time I have seen it, they were trying to get to the bottom of something, the something in question being the myth . maybe I'm just ignernt

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread John H Kington
The myth was that someone took too long to empty the cement out of the truck, allowed it to harden and then tried to use dynamite to clean out the hardened cement. Regards, John 513-723-7527 john.king...@convergys.com From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: SMF records for data set open/close

2010-08-04 Thread Rick Fochtman
--snip- I'm also curious as to why you would want to filter out the recording of SMF records for certain datasets. SMF records are useful for a variety of analysis tasks, not the least of which would be an audit trail in case

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread Bonno, Tuco
ah. ok. thank you. /s/ tuco bonno; Graduate, College of Conflict Management; University of SouthEast Asia; I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !! The myth was that someone took too long to empty the cement out of the truck, allowed it to harden and then tried to use dynamite to

Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors?

2010-08-04 Thread BOB COSBY
Our agency just replaced 10 (ten) STK 9310 silos with 2 (two) Oracle VSMs (Virtual Storage Manager) and 2 (two) Oracle SL8500 tape subsystems. They are working GREAT!! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Clark, Kevin Sent:

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread Rick Fochtman
Steve Comstock wrote: Alan Schenck wrote: If this myth needs to be busted, may I suggest that we involve the likes of Jamie Hyneman, Adam Savage, Tory Belleci, Kari Byron, and Grant Imahara? Duh! I don't know any of those names. Sorry, but the allusion is just lost, and I suspect I'm not

Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors?

2010-08-04 Thread Staller, Allan
Oracle just bought SUN. SUN recently bought STK. The VSM and SL8500 were developed by STK, not ORACLE. snip Our agency just replaced 10 (ten) STK 9310 silos with 2 (two) Oracle VSMs (Virtual Storage Manager) and 2 (two) Oracle SL8500 tape subsystems. They are working GREAT!! /snip

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip out of curiosity, do you recall just how they managed to get ahold of *that much* C4? you're talking about 8 CUBIC YARDS of the stuff in the mixer, if it really really was completely packed .. I used the

Region Size - Step or Jobcard

2010-08-04 Thread Lizette Koehler
Someone asked me the question, and since we are having a good discussion, I thought I would throw this out to the collective wisdom here. If there is a job with 200+ steps. Is it better to have region coded at the JOBCARD level or the STEP Level? I have heard various thoughts on this over the

Re: Linkage conventions (was Re: z/OS 1.12 beta sites)

2010-08-04 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 07:10:14 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote: Tom Marchant wrote: On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 12:02:29 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote: Peter Relson wrote: As to your point about allocating using space based on a format shown in a book, that is not using best programming practices when a

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip--- but how many people who read the article know what odiferous horse hockey it is? --unsnip--- We should be working to help our management realize

Re: ATL 3494 for z/OS and zLinux

2010-08-04 Thread Jim Marshall
is there a product that would allow me to use an ATL 3494 in the z/OS lpar and the zLinux lpar (in the same CEC) simultaneously ? At the moment I'm using it in the z/OS lpar (with DFSMSrmm) only. Yes, you can do it but now you are into getting the infrastructure on the z/VM zLinux side

Re: Question on size of IEFBR14 and z/OS V1.11

2010-08-04 Thread Ted MacNEIL
The extended region size is the default value of 32 megabytes. I've obviously misinterpreted that statement then. I always read it as total. But, the major point is that 16M does not give you all above. - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota!

Re: Region Size - Step or Jobcard

2010-08-04 Thread Staller, Allan
In days of yore, long, long ago, and far, far, away, it made sense to code at the step level. OS/MVT used a contiguous storage algorithm and reserved that storage for the life of a job step.. If STEPB required more storage that STEPA, the possibility existed for significant execution delays

Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors?

2010-08-04 Thread R.S.
So? Did anyone claim that Oracle developed VSM or SL8500? The notice below says that someone bought some product from Oracle, nothing else. Nowadays SL8500 is onwed by Oracle - so it's Oracle product. BTW: many IBM products are developed by still existing independent companies. Examples: all

Re: Region Size - Step or Jobcard

2010-08-04 Thread Hal Merritt
IMHO, whatever is, leave it. There would not be enough potential benefit to justify the risks and cost. My $0.02 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:07 PM To:

Re: Region Size - Step or Jobcard

2010-08-04 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2010-08-04 20:07, Lizette Koehler pisze: Someone asked me the question, and since we are having a good discussion, I thought I would throw this out to the collective wisdom here. If there is a job with 200+ steps. Is it better to have region coded at the JOBCARD level or the STEP

Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe

2010-08-04 Thread zMan
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote: We should be working to help our management realize just what that horse hockey really means. NOTHING!!! But they're so cute, on their little skates, with their four legs going in all directions...

Re: History of Hard-coded Offsets

2010-08-04 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
rfocht...@ync.net (Rick Fochtman) writes: At NCSS we devised a scheme to use 2305 devices for paging. We figured 3 pages per track and we inserted a gap record between the pages. Thus we were able to fetch all three pages, from three different exposures, in a single revolution of the device.

Re: Question on size of IEFBR14 and z/OS V1.11

2010-08-04 Thread Mike Schwab
I was rerunning an z/OS 1.9 ADDRSU backup of a Mod 9 volume, 600 track VTOC, 90% used with mostly 1 track datasets, 90% of VTOC entries used. I had to specify a REGION=256MB because REGION=196MB abended, ended up using about 205MB. when it finally completed. I would continue with the 17MB or

Re: Region Size - Step or Jobcard

2010-08-04 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:24:02 -0500, Staller, Allan wrote: In days of yore, long, long ago, and far, far, away, it made sense to code at the step level. OS/MVT used a contiguous storage algorithm More precisely, MVT had a single address space and reserved that storage for the life of a job

Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors?

2010-08-04 Thread Carl Swanson
For Mainframe it is IBM and STK (Oracle) for both real and virtual tape products, these two are the market leaders in both areas. For MF virtual you can also look to Bus-Tech , EMC (Bus-Tech like) and Luminex. These can be good choices for a shop with little to no real tape behind the

Re: Region Size - Step or Jobcard

2010-08-04 Thread Scott Barry
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:07:20 -0400, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote: Someone asked me the question, and since we are having a good discussion, I thought I would throw this out to the collective wisdom here. If there is a job with 200+ steps. Is it better to have region coded at the

Re: Region Size - Step or Jobcard

2010-08-04 Thread Burrell, C. Todd (CDC/OCOO/ITSO) (CTR)
For new JCL I always recommend just putting an ample region size on the job card and be done with it. But I would certainly not change running JCL for no reason. I always say if it ain't broke don't break it. C. Todd Burrell PMP, MCSE 2003:Security Security+, Network+ Lead z/OS Systems

Re: Region Size - Step or Jobcard

2010-08-04 Thread Mike Schwab
If you have a problem with the region size, add a REGION parameter to the jobcard that is equal to or larger than any step, and overrides all the steps. No need to remove the REGION from the steps or procs, and any changes to the values could result in typo abends. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:43

Re: I'm amazed

2010-08-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In aanlktimxlrzyeth0vd-ap46rj=lxodyte6yrygnfh...@mail.gmail.com, on 08/04/2010 at 10:58 AM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com said: IIRC. You don't. But apparently you know more than the principal zEnterprise architect I don't have to run faster than the bear; I just have to run faster than you.

Re: IPL My One Pack

2010-08-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In listserv%201008040744479311.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 08/04/2010 at 07:44 AM, Daniel McLaughlin daniel_mclaugh...@us.crawco.com said: The stump point is how do I IPL it? You need an IODF and a LOADxx member. Do I create a SYS1.IPLPARM on that pack and go from there or what? That would be my

Re: Region Size - Step or Jobcard

2010-08-04 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com (Tom Marchant) writes: More precisely, MVT had a single address space aka VS2/SVS was minimally modified MVT in a single (16mbyte) virtual address space; biggest change was borrowing ccwtrans from cp67 for EXCP ... to take the application-passed channel program and make

Re: Region Size - Step or Jobcard

2010-08-04 Thread Mark Zelden
For new JCL I always recommend just putting an ample region size on the job card and be done with it.  But I would certainly not change running JCL for no reason. I always say if it ain't broke don't break it. I say implement an IEFUSI exit that isn't from the dark ages and not worry about (or

Re: BCPii Sample code - is there any?

2010-08-04 Thread Graham Harris
Does anyone know if there is any material from Steve Warren's BCPii Share session on Tuesday? I have been monitoring the Share site in the hope that something might appear, but no joy as yet.(many sessions do seem to have the ppt's, but not that one). I do now have a functioning basic BCPii

Re: BCPii Sample code - is there any?

2010-08-04 Thread Eric Mendelson
It will be in the proceedings soon Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Graham Harris harris...@gmail.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:04:10 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Reply-To: IBM Mainframe

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