On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:04:44 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Is the rule correct that every case - with no exceptions - of a
forked/spawned address space has a single digit from 1 to 9 appended to the
job name?
No. Eight character jobnames are truncated to 7, and then the digit is
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 03/21/2008
at 09:26 AM, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
You have no way of knowing what intricate ramifications there might be
for bits that are not programming interfaces that you happen to think do
what you want. And we have no reason to avoid making changes in
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
03/21/2008
at 05:20 PM, Kirk Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
This distinction has no analog in modern operating
systems, where interfaces are expressed *entirely* by APIs and service
routines, and not by skipping through PSA-ASCB-etc.etc.
That's certainly the preference
Service routines that take structure pointers aren't a problem so long as
the structure is part of the interface and not the actual kernel
implementation structure.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
03/21/2008
at
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[snip]
Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed
On Fri, 2008-03-21 at 17:20 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote:
I have a different view of Peter Relson's posts - I think that he is only
trying to explain which parts of control blocks are meant to be interfaces
and which are not. This distinction has no analog in modern operating
systems, where
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:20:24 -0500, Kirk Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hesitate responding to your post - its mass might otherwise tend to kill
this thread, which IMO would be a good thing :-)
I'm with you on that point... however ;-)
I agree with most of what you've written. IBM needs
Subject: Can forked/spawned address spaces be identified as such?
Are there any control block fields or flags within these address spaces
that
indentify them as being started by a fork or spawn action? Are there
different
indicators for forked versus spawned address spaces?
TIA,
Jerry
Tony,
Keep in mind that UNIX allows the parent process to go away without
the child ending. In that case there will be no parent jobname. (Well
obviously there *was* one at one time, but its control blocks may be
long gone, and the address space reused.
I don't need the parent around any longer.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:19:27 -0500, Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD.
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...snipped...
What is it you are really trying to accomplish? Why is it useful to
know the parent's jobname?
The program I'm working on sometimes depends on job name matching for its
logic.
One thing you
Thanks, Walt. After receiving all responses here, at the end of the day, it
looks like we cannot rely on obtaining the parent's jobname anyway.
Referencing the RACF user ID through conventional methods looks like the way
to go.
More lessons learned. Thanks all!
Jerry
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 05:33:47 -0500, Walt Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You could have
multiple STCs with the same job name active at the same time, for example,
or a TSO user and a batch job of the same name.
You can have multiple batch jobs with the same name running also with JES2
since
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Why aren't things like this exposed ???. And if they are, why aren't
they (publicly/freely) documented.
If you want a programming interface for something, then you ought to
formally ask for it. The action, if the request is accepted, might be to
create something new or might be to identify as a
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 05:33:47 -0500, Walt
I don't want to instigate or contest in any public online flaming war, nor
to be picking apart the appreciated response you took thoughtful time to
compose; but I'm still a bit touchy on subjects with even tangents brushing
upon Object Code Only (OCO) policy. This is a tangent off the original
Gregory,
I hesitate responding to your post - its mass might otherwise tend to kill
this thread, which IMO would be a good thing :-)
I agree with most of what you've written. IBM needs to transition from
worrying about protecting z/OS source code to worrying that nobody will want
to see it.
I
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:20:24 -0500, Kirk Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
...
IBM needs to transition from
worrying about protecting z/OS source code to worrying that
nobody will want to see it.
...
One of IBM's originally stated reasons for moving to OCO was to
help stop overburdening
As the ASSB fields mentioned are not programming interfaces, no additional
information will be provided as to their meaning and use.
Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design
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Are there any control
It's the Blue Meanies!!!
:-)
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:39:05 -0400, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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As the ASSB fields mentioned are not programming interfaces, no additional
information will be provided as to their meaning and use.
Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design
John,
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Nobody else has asked, so I will. Why do you want to do this? I'm just
curious.
I could tell you but I would have to kill you.
;)
Actually, I need to be able to determine what the original job name is.
Is the rule correct that every case - with no exceptions -
Is the rule correct that every case - with no exceptions - of a forked/spawned
address space has a single digit from 1 to 9 appended to the
job name?
No. Eight character jobnames are truncated to 7, and then the digit is added.
If so, what happens after 9 such spawns?
We go alphabetic - A, B,
I wouldn't have included the smiley.
Why aren't things like this exposed ???. And if they are, why aren't
they (publicly/freely) documented.
Shane ...
On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 15:25 -0500, Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD. wrote:
It's the Blue Meanies!!!
:-)
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John,
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Nobody else has asked, so I
All you need is love.
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I wouldn't have included the smiley.
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So is there any way to determine the original parent address space's name
from within the child's address space?
TIA,
Jerry
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:04:44 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Is the rule correct that every case - with no exceptions - of a
forked/spawned address space
So is there any way to determine the original parent address space's name from
within the child's address space?
I have not been able to do it.
I have asked in the past and gotten no reliable answer.
-
Too busy driving to stop for gas!
Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD. wrote:
So is there any way to determine the original parent address space's name
from within the child's address space?
BPXEKDA returns the structure mapped by BPXZODMV. OdmvPPID is the
parent's Process ID.
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Phoenix Software International,
Edward,
Thanks. Will have to look into that method.
Jerry
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:04:41 -0700, Edward Jaffe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD. wrote:
So is there any way to determine the original parent address space's name
from within the child's address space?
BPXEKDA
On 20/03/2008, Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, I need to be able to determine what the original job name is.
Keep in mind that UNIX allows the parent process to go away without
the child ending. In that case there will be no parent jobname. (Well
obviously there
Are there any control block fields or flags within these address spaces that
indentify them as being started by a fork or spawn action? Are there different
indicators for forked versus spawned address spaces?
TIA,
Jerry
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Anyone?
In the meantime, I've found these in the ASSB:
ASSBWMF1 DSXL1 WLM flags
* SERIALIZATION: none
ASSBWINI EQU X'80' WLM Managed Batch initiator
ASSBFSAS EQU X'40' WLM Managed
:28 PM
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Anyone?
In the meantime, I've found these in the ASSB:
ASSBWMF1 DSXL1 WLM flags
* SERIALIZATION: none
ASSBWINI EQU
On 19/03/2008, Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are there any control block fields or flags within these address spaces that
indentify them as being started by a fork or spawn action? Are there
different
indicators for forked versus spawned address spaces?
There are
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:11:10 -0500, Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TMASSBWMF1,ASSBFSAS
has worked for me for several years.
HTH.
Are there any control block fields or flags within these address spaces that
indentify them as being started by a fork or spawn action?
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