Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-13 Thread Howard Brazee
Reading this heading reminds me of a scene in the movie _Ghost Busters_. Yes, he has no disk. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-13 Thread David Andrews
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 17:06 -0400, Carlos Bodra - Pessoal wrote: Last mainframe will turned off in 1996 hahahahaha That would be Stewart Alsop, quoted in 1991. He eats his words on page 2 of Jim Elliott's m/f retrospective: http://www.vm.ibm.com/devpages/jelliott/pdfs/zhistory.pdf (How did

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-12 Thread Carlos Bodra - Pessoal
Last mainframe will turned off in 1996 hahahahaha No more than 640KB is necessary for any computer hahahahaha These new predictions make same effect. Carlos Bodra IBM zSeries Certified Specialist Sao Paulo - Brazil Em 11/08/2010 15:42, Mark Pace escreveu: Bubbles!!

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip-- Last mainframe will turned off in 1996 hahahahaha No more than 640KB is necessary for any computer hahahahaha These new predictions make same effect.

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-12 Thread Scott Rowe
Well, the traffic may get a little heavier during summer weekends, and flood insurance could be rather expensive ;-) Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net 8/12/2010 5:44 PM snip-- Last mainframe will turned off in 1996

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-12 Thread Carlos Bodra - Pessoal
Hi Rick, You just forgot to say that 100,000 acres are under water in middle of great lakes... but I will consider this offer when I decide to invest in real estate!!! Carlos Bodra IBM zSeries Certified Specialist Sao Paulo - Brazil Em 12/08/2010 18:53, Scott Rowe escreveu:

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
--snip Carlos Bodra - Pessoal wrote: Hi Rick, You just forgot to say that 100,000 acres are under water in middle of great lakes... but I will consider this offer when I decide to invest in real estate!!!

Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread McKown, John
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/11/oracle_on_storage/ This is about some comments from Oracle EVP John Fowler. He indicates that disk is dying. He envisions it being replace by flash RAM. And not in our current mode of being an external I/O device, but actually being on the data bus of the

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 08/11/2010 07:50 AM, McKown, John wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/11/oracle_on_storage/ This is about some comments from Oracle EVP John Fowler. He indicates that disk is dying. He envisions it being replace by flash RAM. And not in our current mode of being an external I/O

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Howard Brazee
On 11 Aug 2010 05:51:20 -0700, john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John) wrote: This is about some comments from Oracle EVP John Fowler. He indicates that disk is dying. He envisions it being replace by flash RAM. And not in our current mode of being an external I/O device, but actually

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Ken Porowski
Didn't they say the same thing about disk replacing tape? Although that does appear to be happening tape is still around and has it's uses. -Original Message- Howard Brazee On 11 Aug 2010 05:51:20 -0700, john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John) wrote: This is about some comments

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2010-08-11 14:50, McKown, John pisze: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/11/oracle_on_storage/ This is about some comments from Oracle EVP John Fowler. He indicates that disk is dying. He envisions it being replace by flash RAM. And not in our current mode of being an external I/O

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:58:02 +0200, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2010-08-11 14:50, McKown, John pisze: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/11/oracle_on_storage/ Regarding to the disks: indeed we observe first time when silicon RAM succesfully replaces disks in some areas. Is it beginning of revolution

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Charles Mills
- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Oracle: The future is diskless! On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:58:02 +0200, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2010-08-11 14:50, McKown, John

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2010-08-11 18:17, Paul Gilmartin pisze: On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:58:02 +0200, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2010-08-11 14:50, McKown, John pisze: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/11/oracle_on_storage/ Regarding to the disks: indeed we observe first time when silicon RAM succesfully replaces

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Oracle: The future is diskless! Why SW changes? Won't the control units continue

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005d5e04...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 08/11/2010 at 07:50 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: This is about some comments from Oracle EVP John Fowler. He indicates that disk is dying. He envisions it being replace by flash RAM. Is that

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4c62a610.4000...@acm.org, on 08/11/2010 at 08:30 AM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org said: As long as DASD technology is able to continue to provide storage capacity, access speeds, and reliability that are adequate for real-world business applications at lower cost than this directly

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In noa56697r8gf11f47fdmaltg8hopjgi...@4ax.com, on 08/11/2010 at 07:55 AM, Howard Brazee howard.bra...@cusys.edu said: IBM's use of the term DASD gets around saying disk, drum, data cell, MSS, ... but by the time disk goes away, the term DASD may not quite apply either. How not? --

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Mark Pace
Bubbles!! HAHAHAHAHAHA! I still remember that prediction. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net shmuel%2bibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005d5e04...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 08/11/2010 at 07:50 AM, McKown,

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: Is that anything like thin film replacing core? Or bubbles? Predicting that that a technology will be supplanted is easy. Accurately predicting what will replace it and when is hard. lot of DBMS are disk-centric and based on the

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Howard Brazee
On 11 Aug 2010 11:42:13 -0700, shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) wrote: IBM's use of the term DASD gets around saying disk, drum, data cell, MSS, ... but by the time disk goes away, the term DASD may not quite apply either. How not? Indirect Access Storage Cloud???

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Howard Brazee
On 11 Aug 2010 08:57:53 -0700, r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.) wrote: The world is full of forecast, predictions and prophecies. People remember only few of them: the most accurate and the most funny because of its inaccuracy (Watson Sr: 5 computers, Gates: 640kB is enough). Sometimes