Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread Gibney, Dave
: SMS compressed VSAM datasets Ed, Not that I know of. BTW, what is #39,t mean? I see it frequently, is it encrypted cursing? hahaha David L. Mingee Principal Systems Administrator Indianapolis Production Control Data Center Operations / Operations Technical Support Work Ext 782-6460 Work

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread Scott Chapman
I guess my first thought / question would be to identify where the bottleneck for the backups is; disk I/O, tape I/O, or CPU? Presumably disk I/O didn't change a whole lot for reading the data or you would have seen impacts elsewhere too. My guess would be similar for the CPU. However, if

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread Staller, Allan
1) I would increase bufnum before bufsize 2) Compress the output... HTH, snip This is a weird question, but I've been directed to ask it. We are converting some VSAM datasets which currently use BMC's Data Accelerator compression to use SMS compression instead. This is a financial decision.

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread McKown, John
Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mingee, David Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets Hi John, Do the VSAM files show COMP-FORMT and USER-DATA-SIZE--9636537000 COMP-USER

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread McKown, John
Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets 1) I would increase bufnum before bufsize 2) Compress the output

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets 1) I would increase bufnum before bufsize 2) Compress the output

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread McKown, John
AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets From 3 output tapes to 12? What kind of tape drives are you using? Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Wednesday

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 0de6a9840123e547b061ac5b6765c02610f...@exmb-05.ad.wsu.edu, on 09/14/2011 at 08:06 AM, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu said: Something is wrong with Ed's email that causes single quote (or apostrophes) to show as #39, Code points 96, 131, 145 and 146 are also single quotes. -- Shmuel

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 20b9d8db9552d44981f6ebb3d26f579524a...@lm-hsexmsg-p06p.lm.lmig.com, on 09/14/2011 at 02:51 AM, Mingee, David david.min...@libertymutual.com said: Ed, Not that I know of. BTW, what is #39,t mean? It's a character entity, and should only be used in HTML, SGML and XML. The decimal number

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread Gilbert C Cardenas
: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets They are virtual 3490s in a 3494 VTS from IBM. To anticipate some likely questions. They are SMS managed. The DATACLAS assigned to all virtual 3490s has COMPACTION=YES specified in it. The messages

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 6:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets In 20b9d8db9552d44981f6ebb3d26f579524a...@lm

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:18:12 -0500, McKown, John wrote: Given that the most obvious difference is that what used to take 3 output tapes is now going to 12 output tapes, the slow down is due to the number of bytes being written to tape. The bytes read from disk seem be about the same because

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread McKown, John
[mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Norbert Friemel Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:18:12 -0500, McKown, John wrote: Given that the most obvious difference is that what used

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea00afc0ed...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 09/14/2011 at 08:08 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: And chaning from Faver to ADRDSSU is no go because that is a change which would require going through change control for each and every file. I take

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread Ed Gould
I have no idea what the issue is. The email you sent back to me does not contain the characters you indicated. A friend suggested it#39;s a ISP issue. I will try using m other client and see if the issue follows. Ed -- For

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea00afc0ed...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 09/14/2011 at 11:45 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: Well, according to our LAN people, Windows is the only true standard. Which windoze? M$ introduces incompatabilities with every release. --

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread McKown, John
List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea00afc0ed...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 09/14/2011 at 08:08 AM, McKown

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
You will let us know if it works, right? :-) Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets Thanks. My

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread McKown, John
. Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets You will let us know if it works, right? :-) Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread McKown, John
The newest release of Faver from CA was just tested. It reduced our backup time from 58 minutes to 10 minutes and from 11 tapes to 6 tapes. Unfortunately, it is not totally transparent in that it requires a new DD statement, DSSMSGDD. It is invoking ADRDSSU to do the actual dump of the data.

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-14 Thread Ed Gould
John, I remember doing something like this with a utility which name escapes me (PDS UTILITY)but it was a company from Farmington Michigan and I had to call their help desk to figure it out. This was 20 years ago. But I remember it was not exactly straight forward how to do. Ed

SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-13 Thread McKown, John
This is a weird question, but I've been directed to ask it. We are converting some VSAM datasets which currently use BMC's Data Accelerator compression to use SMS compression instead. This is a financial decision. We use CA-Faver to do our VSAM backups. Faver states in its manual that it will

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-13 Thread Mingee, David
Work Ext 782-6460 Work Direct Dial 317 581-6460 Home 317 598-0919 / Cell 317 341-0885 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: SMS compressed

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-13 Thread Ed Gould
David, Correct me if I am wrong but doesn#39;t DFDSS invoke idcams under the covers? Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO

Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets

2011-09-13 Thread Mingee, David
Home 317 598-0919 / Cell 317 341-0885 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SMS compressed VSAM datasets David, Correct me if I am