Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly? (slightly OT)

2010-05-13 Thread Donald Grinsell
On Wed, 12 May 2010 12:06:54 +0200, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: Or course there's still open issue with video graphics, mouse, keyboard, (KVM would help ?) and custom cards interfaces other than NIC or VGA. Sundblaster on mainframe? vbg Yes...but what would be the appropriate

Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly? (slightly OT)

2010-05-13 Thread Ken Porowski
If it's for a desktop I'd go with the Genesis 1.2 (aka IRS V) http://www.genesisloudspeakers.com/g1p2_gallery.html -Original Message- Yes...but what would be the appropriate speaker system? I propose the Klipsch MCM: http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/products/kpt-mcm-4-t-grand-overview/

Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly?

2010-05-13 Thread Neil Duffee
criticism. Systems Programming: Guilty, until proven innocent John Norgauer 2004 -Original Message- From: Ed Gould [mailto:ps2...@yahoo.com] Sent: May 11, 2010 13:31 Subject: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly? http://www.mainframezone.com/it-management/windows-and-other-x86-operati ng

Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly?

2010-05-12 Thread R.S.
Phil Smith III pisze: As the author of the article, I'll note that: [...] John McKown wrote: Why not just have an actual Xeon on a PCI card with some sort of interface circuitry? Because accessing the other z10 resources is hard to synchronize with an alien processor design? But stay

Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly?

2010-05-12 Thread Shane Ginnane
I thought that this is precisely what Phil was describing - my concern is that it appears to be an emulator running on top of *3* (last count) hipervisors providing yet more emulation services (RDP/terminal server, whatever) ... PR/SM running z/VM in an LPAR, running a z86VM hiperviser as a

Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly?

2010-05-12 Thread Marian Gasparovic
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:06 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: Or course there's still open issue with video graphics, mouse, keyboard, (KVM would help ?) and custom cards interfaces other than NIC or VGA. Sundblaster on mainframe? vbg You can use HMC for that, it has video card

Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly?

2010-05-12 Thread Mohammad Khan
Well ... that will cure the blue screen of death envy that mainframers have :) Mohammad -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO

Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly?

2010-05-12 Thread R.S.
Marian Gasparovic pisze: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:06 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremucom.pl wrote: Or course there's still open issue with video graphics, mouse, keyboard, (KVM would help ?) and custom cards interfaces other than NIC or VGA. Sundblaster on mainframe? vbg You can use HMC for

Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly?

2010-05-12 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 11 May 2010 14:46:20 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: As the author of the article, I'll note that: - It is indeed z/VM only. z/OS was never mentioned. - Perhaps the old z/VOS name confused folks, was read as z/OS. Not the same. - The name is now z86VM anyway.

Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly?

2010-05-12 Thread Phil Smith III
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: o May it run in an IFL? Sure. o How does TCO compare for equivalent performance? I recognize this has a tangible component, hardware and software licenses, and the intangible, administration, subject

Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly?

2010-05-11 Thread Ed Gould
http://www.mainframezone.com/it-management/windows-and-other-x86-operating-systems-on-system-z Windows on System z by Philip Smith III May 11, 2010 For more than four decades, various incarnations of IBM’s popular Virtual Machine mainframe hypervisor—VM/370, VM/SP, VM/XA, VM/ESA, and now

Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly?

2010-05-11 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly? http://www.mainframezone.com/it-management/windows-and-other-x86- operating-systems-on-system-z Windows on System z by Philip Smith III May 11, 2010 For more

Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly?

2010-05-11 Thread Charles Mills
[mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Jerry Whitteridge Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly? I don't believe that z/OS is involved in any way. It appears to be a guest under z/VM only m-main.html

Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly?

2010-05-11 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly? Makes sense (architecturally) under VM -- VM, after all

Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly?

2010-05-11 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly? SNIPPAGE From reading, z/VOS ipls itself. It is a advanced

Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly?

2010-05-11 Thread Mark Pace
: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly? SNIPPAGE From reading, z/VOS ipls itself. It is a advanced instruction emulator and jit type translator of some sort. The z9 and z10 machines have PCI bus on them. Why not just have an actual

Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly?

2010-05-11 Thread Phil Smith III
As the author of the article, I'll note that: - It is indeed z/VM only. z/OS was never mentioned. - Perhaps the old z/VOS name confused folks, was read as z/OS. Not the same. - The name is now z86VM anyway. John McKown wrote: Why not just have an actual Xeon on

Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly?

2010-05-11 Thread Rich Smrcina
Of course, Jerry's response makes much more sense now. I just didn't pay attention to the original subject. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Mark Pace mpac...@gmail.com wrote: Me thinks the title should have been Windows on System Z and z/VM shortly? -- Rich Smrcina Velocity Software, Inc.

Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly?

2010-05-11 Thread Charles Mills
You would need a hundred of 'em. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Windows on Z/os and Z/vm shortly? From reading, z/VOS ipls