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2013-02-08 Thread Scott Ford
All, I am calling a program passing an alternate ddname list for sysin/sysprint. Are there dfsms exits that will prevent me from doing this ? Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb --

Re: Rejoice! z/OS 2.1 addresses some long term JCL complaints from here:

2013-02-08 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:52:14 -0600, Tom Wasik wrote: >More detail will be presented at the next SHARE so come to Boston and learn a >lot more. Thanks Tom, nice info. Seems like lots of functionality coming we've all been hanging out for - for years ... :-) Shane ... --

Re: blksize for ML2 migrated dataset via HSM

2013-02-08 Thread Neil Duffee
Caveat: I get the daily digest so you folx've probably already hashed this to death... Not sure about signed/unsigned but CA-1(R) r12.6 will not store a value >032760. FDR/ABR dumps backup records in approx. track length ie. 57k-ish for our 3390-3s, but they are recorded with the 032760 value

Re: Check out Associated Press-Big snow in Northeast.

2013-02-08 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-02-08 19:30, Ed Finnell pisze: _Associated Press_ (http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d281c11a96b4ad082fe88aa0db04305/Article_2013-02-08-Northeast%20Snow/id-3e9597311a9b4923bcf53839ab7 a152a) Only a travel warning for those stuck in Anaheim-say hi to Mickey! Well, I saw weather rep

Re: z/OS v2.1 preview

2013-02-08 Thread Scott Ford
Martin, I am a developer, but that doesn't mean people listen... Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 8, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Martin Packer wrote: > Do you know if this is the "standard" R

Re: SFTP vs. FTPS (was: z/OS v2.1 preview)

2013-02-08 Thread Scott Ford
Kirk is correct, Z/os is posix ...uses posix C Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 8, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote: > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >

Check out Associated Press-Big snow in Northeast.

2013-02-08 Thread Ed Finnell
_Associated Press_ (http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d281c11a96b4ad082fe88aa0db04305/Article_2013-02-08-Northeast%20Snow/id-3e9597311a9b4923bcf53839ab7 a152a) Only a travel warning for those stuck in Anaheim-say hi to Mickey! -

Re: SFTP vs. FTPS (was: z/OS v2.1 preview)

2013-02-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 02/08/2013 at 07:59 AM, Kirk Wolf said: >(Sorry if my sarcasm detector isn't working for your post, but) >yeah - z/OS is not a Unix/Linux distro :-) z/OS Unix isn't >either - its a POSIX layer for z/OS. It's certified as Unix, and X/Open is at least as relevant as POSIX. >Also,

Re: Rejoice! z/OS 2.1 addresses some long term JCL complaints from here:

2013-02-08 Thread Tom Wasik
>It there aren't enough blanks to compress out, will the line be extended, possibly reallocating a buffer if necessary? (I'm assuming RECFM=VB for the SYSIN. If there are not enough blanks, then the length of the line is extended. If the application or utility passes in a large enough buffer, t

Re: Rejoice! z/OS 2.1 addresses some long term JCL complaints from here:

2013-02-08 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 10:15:25 -0600, Tom Wasik wrote: > >The way the substitution works is it looks to compress blanks to the right of >the symbol. It will compress strings down to 1 characters trying to keep >characters in the same column that they are in. > Programmers most familiar with ISPF e

Re: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-08 Thread John Gilmore
Under IBSYS for the IBM 7094 printed and punched output was often said to be 'spooled' to tape for subsequent printing and punching under the control of an IBM 1401. 'Backronym' is, I suppose, inevitable as a nonce term; but I should be sorry to see such a barbarism come into wide use. The standa

Re: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <51145fd3.5010...@valley.net>, on 02/07/2013 at 09:15 PM, Gerhard Postpischil said: >I had one question - he describes the ASP precurser as a >7090/7094 complex. I was not aware of any such. The one I ran on >at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center (Greenbelt, MD) had a 7044 >controlling a

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread Pew, Curtis G
On Feb 8, 2013, at 10:41 AM, "Gibney, Dave" wrote: > Which of the many DATACLAS attributes do you wish to change. Most are > physical aspects of the actual existing dataset. Just changing the > description will have no effect. These attributes are fixed when the dataset > is created. Re-creati

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread Gibney, Dave
Which of the many DATACLAS attributes do you wish to change. Most are physical aspects of the actual existing dataset. Just changing the description will have no effect. These attributes are fixed when the dataset is created. Re-creation and copying the data is the only effective way to change m

Re: Rejoice! z/OS 2.1 addresses some long term JCL complaints from here:

2013-02-08 Thread David Andrews
On Fri, 2013-02-08 at 11:03 -0500, zMan wrote: > Sorry to seem dense -- is that a "no"? I didn't answer your question (sorry), but you brought to mind an interesting caveat. Read-time has 1001 uses, and probably a couple of gotchas. Excuse my digression. -- David Andrews A. Duda & Sons, Inc. d

Re: z/OS v2.1 preview

2013-02-08 Thread John Gilmore
John Eels wrote, | How else would (or should) we let people know? and his point is well taken. Piggybacking this information on the z/OS 2.1 (sic) preview was entirely appropriate. The text used was less so. It should have been clearer about scope, retrofitting, and the like. There would of c

Re: Rejoice! z/OS 2.1 addresses some long term JCL complaints from here:

2013-02-08 Thread Tom Wasik
The SYMBOLS= keyword is on the DD DATA or DD * JCL. It controls what symbols are substituted in the instream data sets ... so yes, in places like: REPRO INFILE(GIMZPOOL) + OUTDATASET(&HLQ..GLOBAL.CSI) The way the substitution works is it looks to compress blanks to t

Re: Rejoice! z/OS 2.1 addresses some long term JCL complaints from here:

2013-02-08 Thread zMan
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:01 AM, David Andrews wrote: > On Fri, 2013-02-08 at 09:29 -0500, zMan wrote: > > Does the enhanced symbol support mean that you can use symbols in places > > like this: > > REPRO INFILE(GIMZPOOL) + > > OUTDATASET(&HLQ..GLOBAL.CSI) > Sorry to

Re: z/OS v2.1 preview

2013-02-08 Thread John Eells
Edward Jaffe wrote: On 2/6/2013 6:16 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: o IBM plans to remove support for unsecured FTP connections used for z/OS software and service delivery October 1, 2013. At that time, it is planned that new System z software (products and service) downloads will require th

Re: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-08 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 02/07/2013 10:35 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In <51143860.7030...@acm.org>, on 02/07/2013 at 05:27 PM, "Joel C. Ewing" said: The Wood history of HASP/JES2 left hanging the question about the origin of the term "spooling". Do you consider SPOOL System, 7070-IO-076 to be of suffi

Re: Deleting old HSM backups

2013-02-08 Thread David G. Schlecht
Thanks for the feedback. No joy finding said SAS job. Seems I've exhausted any solutions from this group. I'll open a ticket with IBM and see if there is anyone else who might have a solution. Again, thanks for all the input. David G. Schlecht | Information Technology Professional State of Ne

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Ok, then I did it with CA-DISK or FDR. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 16:15 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: basic SMS question That is cor

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
That is correct see http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r12/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.zos.r12.idas200%2Fs2010.htm Thank You, Dave O'Brien NIH Contractor From: Don Williams [donb...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@

Re: Rejoice! z/OS 2.1 addresses some long term JCL complaints from here:

2013-02-08 Thread David Andrews
On Fri, 2013-02-08 at 09:29 -0500, zMan wrote: > Does the enhanced symbol support mean that you can use symbols in places > like this: > REPRO INFILE(GIMZPOOL) + > OUTDATASET(&HLQ..GLOBAL.CSI) Tom's presentation notes that substitution is done at application *read* tim

Re: z/OS v2.1 preview

2013-02-08 Thread zMan
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Martin Packer wrote: > Do you know if this is the "standard" RegExp functions callable from C > that are driving this? I've advised various developers that if z/OS > product functions standardise on using these we: > XKCD must be a z/OS user: http://xkcd.com/1171/

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread Don Williams
IIRC, not a DFDMDdss COPY option, either. DSS does not reformat data. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Vernooij, CP - SPLXM > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 7:42 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: bas

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread Don Williams
ALTER can change MGMTCLAS and STORCLAS, but not DATACLAS My best guess is that changing the DATACLAS would imply rewritting the data, since some DATACLAS attributes control the physical recording of data. Don > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LIST

Re: Rejoice! z/OS 2.1 addresses some long term JCL complaints from here:

2013-02-08 Thread Martin Packer
I think it would also make job cloning easier. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/my

Re: Rejoice! z/OS 2.1 addresses some long term JCL complaints from here:

2013-02-08 Thread zMan
So I've read the PDF but I'm still not clear on this: Does the enhanced symbol support mean that you can use symbols in places like this: REPRO INFILE(GIMZPOOL) + OUTDATASET(&HLQ..GLOBAL.CSI) ? That would sure make distributed SMP/E JCL easier for customers to modify.

Re: At Last (z/os v2.1) !

2013-02-08 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 08:22:24 -0500, Don Williams wrote: >Over the years, I've asked several times. >I've wanted in sequence concatenation (since the first time I processed SMF >data). > We've all wanted this "forever". Better late than never! Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services

Re: z/OS v2.1 preview

2013-02-08 Thread Dana Mitchell
On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 23:36:53 -0600, Jim Elliott, IBM wrote: >Re the 3270 support. > >This has been in the HMC for a long time and is used by z/VM. z/OS is finally >getting the same support (in addition to the line mode HMC console). So any >machine supported by z/OS 2.1 (i.e z9 and later) will

Re: Opinion: Why it is better to "log" to a UNIX file than a sequential data set.

2013-02-08 Thread John McKown
Would be neat, but I can't figure out how to have an application write to the UNIX syslogd daemon simply by using a DD and the UNIX file via QSAM interface. Hum, I guess it might be possible to use the GPSAM routines on the CBTTape to do this. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote: >

Re: Rejoice! z/OS 2.1 addresses some long term JCL complaints from here:

2013-02-08 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 00:36:54 -0600, Tom Wasik wrote: >If you are interested, there is some additional detail on the 2.1 JES2 JCL >changes in my SHARE pitch from this week: >http://share.confex.com/share/120/webprogram/Handout/Session13029/JES2%20Product%20Update%20and%20Latest%20Status.pdf > Ment

Re: SFTP vs. FTPS (was: z/OS v2.1 preview)

2013-02-08 Thread Kirk Wolf
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 14:20:02 -0600, Kirk Wolf wrote: > > >Walt, > > > >You are correct - FTP is more prevalent in z/OS shops. > > > >SFTP is much more prevalent in distributed systems since OpenSSH is > >installed as a default package on all

Re: Opinion: Why it is better to "log" to a UNIX file than a sequential data set.

2013-02-08 Thread Kirk Wolf
Also consider syslogd, especially for logging of "system" functions. This allows you to categorize, filter, and direct logs to unix files that are automatically archived to z/OS datasets. More info can be found in the Comm Server doc. Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Wed,

Re: At Last (z/os v2.1) !

2013-02-08 Thread Don Williams
Over the years, I've asked several times. I've wanted in sequence concatentation (since the first time I processed SMF data). > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 6:12

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Correct, very irritating restriction. You can MOVE the dataset with DFDSS and provide a new DATACLAS then. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Brian Fraser Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 13:23 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.U

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread Brian Fraser
>>ALTER data.set.name DATACLAS(newvalue) DATACLAS is not an optional parameter to IDCAMS ALTER -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-M

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread Jim McAlpine
Thanks Mike. Jim On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Mike Schwab wrote: > ALTER data.set.name DATACLAS(newvalue) > On a ISPF 3.4 line, a / picks up the data.set.name from that line. > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Jim McAlpine > wrote: > > I've found another error in the data class selection r

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread Mike Schwab
ALTER data.set.name DATACLAS(newvalue) On a ISPF 3.4 line, a / picks up the data.set.name from that line. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Jim McAlpine wrote: > I've found another error in the data class selection routines which means > that datasets have been converted but not assigned the correc

Re: z/OS v2.1 preview

2013-02-08 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Martin Packer wrote: >Disclaimer: I'm not a product developer and nobody has to listen to me. :-) Yes, zChampion, at this moment I'm not listening to you, but am *forced* to read your mails... ;-D Thanks for your post. Most interesting thread, anyway. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht --

Re: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-08 Thread David Devine
Historically "Spool" has had a long association with the weaving/rope making industry and thence to wire cable & electrical wiring. Possibly the imagery of how an industrial weaving loom worked fitted in with the concept of what was trying to be achieved and last but not least it may well have

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread Jim McAlpine
I've found another error in the data class selection routines which means that datasets have been converted but not assigned the correct data class. What is the quickest way to reassign a data class (or storage class come to that). Do I have to CONVERTV to NONSMS and then CONVERTV to SMS again or

Re: z/OS v2.1 preview

2013-02-08 Thread Martin Packer
Do you know if this is the "standard" RegExp functions callable from C that are driving this? I've advised various developers that if z/OS product functions standardise on using these we: 1) All know what to expect - and the skills are interchangeable from tool to tool. 2) Can beat up on the o

Re: z/OS v2.1 preview

2013-02-08 Thread Timothy Sipples
Re: FTPS v. SFTP, there are pros and cons to almost everything in IT. One more "pro" with FTPS is that many customers have implemented FTP already in various operationally complex ways -- scripts, exits, monitors, whatever, whatever. Flipping on the TLS/SSL "switch" changes little if anything that