Re: Mainframe operating systems?

2017-04-16 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
ste...@copper.net (Steve Thompson) writes: > And there was ASPEN (code name?) that was an "MVS" like O/S that > Amdahl had. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#75 Mainframe operating systems? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#76 Mainframe operating systems?

Re: Mainframe operating systems?

2017-04-16 Thread Jack J. Woehr
I tried to boot FORTH once. It was only partially successful. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl

Re: Mainframe operating systems?

2017-04-16 Thread Timothy Sipples
and MISS (Multipurpose Interactive timeSharing System) and MOS (a UNIX clone), both available in variants for the ES EVM machines. MOS begat DEMOS, also available for ES EVM machines. I've neither seen nor touched any of these Soviet era machines and operating systems. I know very little about

Re: Mainframe operating systems?

2017-04-16 Thread Edward Finnell
I think maybe. We had an RFP open and RCA bid on it and were in the final round. I think they called it the Octoputer. Then they made a $10M dollar accounting mistake and Sarnoff pulled the plug on their computer business. Anyway the winner was Sperry and they chunked in an RCA Spectra 70

Re: Mainframe operating systems?

2017-04-16 Thread Timothy Sipples
I forgot to mention OC/EC (OS/ES), the Soviet era fork of OS/360 that also borrowed from later IBM operating system releases but that evolved in its own localized way. There was also a DOS/EC. OC/EC and DOS/EC ran on the ЕС ЭВМ (ES EVM) mainframes, a line of machines that were instruction set

Re: Mainframe operating systems?

2017-04-16 Thread Timothy Sipples
I have a few more additions: 1. These Japanese operating systems are probably worth mentioning: Hitachi VOS3 Fujitsu MSP Fujitsu XSP VOS3 and MSP are proven forks of IBM MVS/XA (at least, and likely also MVS/ESA). XSP might be a fork of DOS/VSE. (I'm less familiar with that one.) If you want to

Re: Mainframe operating systems?

2017-04-16 Thread Steve Thompson
I think Amdahl also had UTX as a follow on to UTS. And there was ASPEN (code name?) that was an "MVS" like O/S that Amdahl had. In the "DOS" line was DOS/MVT. Not sure if it is still in existence. For those interested: OBS/WYLBUR became ACS/WYLBUR. It had support for JES2 up to OS/390 1.3

Re: Mainframe operating systems?

2017-04-16 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
0041d919e708-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Thomas Kern) writes: > When I started working on contract to NASA at the Goddard Institute for > Space Studies in NYC, June 1976, they ran Scientific Supervisory > System/360 (SSS/360) on an IBM 360/95 and a copy under VM/370 R3 on an > Amdahl

Re: Mainframe operating systems?

2017-04-16 Thread Thomas Kern
How about homegrown OS? When I started working on contract to NASA at the Goddard Institute for Space Studies in NYC, June 1976, they ran Scientific Supervisory System/360 (SSS/360) on an IBM 360/95 and a copy under VM/370 R3 on an Amdahl 470/V6. SSS/360 was about 35,000 lines of Assembler code.

Re: How can I set Non-zero return code in DFSORT when SORTOUT record count is not zero

2017-04-16 Thread Dale R. Smith
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 12:35:58 -0700, Sri h Kolusu wrote: Hmm, Sri, did we forget about the NULLOUT Parm/OPTION? :-)> > >Dale, > >NULLOUT is used to set a return code when there are NO records. OP wanted >the opposite. He wants to set a return code when he has at least 1

Re: AW: Re: How can I set Non-zero return code in DFSORT when SORTOUT record count is not zero

2017-04-16 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 09:14:01 +0200, Peter Hunkeler wrote: > > >While I made this up, I have a hard time to imagine it did not happen that >way. How else would can explain the weird logic behind COND= ? > Assembler mentality. It's the CC mask for a BC to branch around the next step. >But then

Re: AW: Re: How can I set Non-zero return code in DFSORT when SORTOUT record count is not zero

2017-04-16 Thread Chris Hoelscher
Sounds like a CONd job to me -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Hunkeler Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 3:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [IBM-MAIN] AW: Re: How can I set Non-zero return code in DFSORT

Re: Mainframe operating systems?

2017-04-16 Thread Charles Mills
I had forgotten about Pick and its eponymous author. Encountered it somewhere but don't recall where. CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity. null -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,

Re: Mainframe operating systems?

2017-04-16 Thread John Clifford
Our entire shop was based around Wylbur/orvyl. some of the developers got free time on our mainframe so we would get wylbur with updates and free maint. for over 20 years. It had a very powerful utility language behind it sort of like a stripped down REXX. This was back in the 70's and 80's even

Re: Mainframe operating systems?

2017-04-16 Thread Phil Smith
Jack J. Woehr wrote: >Did anyone in the audience shout PICK yet? Yes, it was in my original list. Hmm, I thought I remembered that the original developer was named "Dick Pick". That turns out to be correct, but don't Google it! :( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pick_operating_system is what you

Re: LINKLIST and Steplib

2017-04-16 Thread Edward Finnell
a. Run-time library services (if active) b. Job pack area (JPA) c. TASKLIB d. STEPLIB or JOBLIB. If both are allocated, the system searches STEPLIB and ignores JOBLIB. e. LPA f. Libraries in the linklist For more details, see z/OS MVS Initialization and

LINKLIST and Steplib

2017-04-16 Thread Mohamed Juma
  Dear, I have a point to clarify, If we have in some Procsteplib, and also datasets is in PROG member,Is the steplib is going to overwrite linklist Thanks, Mohamed Juma -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

AW: Re: How can I set Non-zero return code in DFSORT when SORTOUT record count is not zero

2017-04-16 Thread Peter Hunkeler
> Why not just invert the COND= for the additional processing step? > Instead of COND=(0,EQ,DFSORT), code COND=(0,NE,DFSORT)? Back in the days when the need JCL was designed, people recognized the need for conditional execution of a job step. However, it was already late in the afternoon,