Re: HMC and zombie USB device

2022-08-21 Thread Timothy Sipples
Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >Yes, you are right - there is no logical difference between internal and >external USB port. However I can imagine "whitelisted" internal ports, >because every port has its own ID. Nevermind. >More important is device whitelist Do you really want whitelisting here? I

Re: HMC and zombie USB device

2022-08-20 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
W dniu 20.08.2022 o 17:56, Tony Harminc pisze: On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 at 08:58, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: [...] 4. USB is just interface, it can be external (more popular) or internal. That's quite obvious. Less obvious is what should be reported by HMC. In my humble opinion there is no big

Re: HMC and zombie USB device

2022-08-20 Thread Tony Harminc
On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 at 08:58, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: > [...] > 4. USB is just interface, it can be external (more popular) or internal. > That's quite obvious. Less obvious is what should be reported by HMC. In > my humble opinion there is no big reason to report internal devices like > HDD,

Re: HMC and zombie USB device

2022-08-20 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
Timothy, To clarify the things: 1. I have *never* said or suggested SE. I was talking about HMC and "zombie device" connected to it. Physical HMC, not HMA aka virtual HMC inside SE box. 2. Physical HMC can be rack-mounted or just desktop. I mentioned rack-mounted HMC. 3. Such HMC is very

Re: HMC and zombie USB device

2022-08-18 Thread Timothy Sipples
Radoslaw, I think you mentioned in one of your follow-up posts that you're actually looking at a 1U Support Element, not a Hardware Management Console. If so, now you know that you have a smart card reader with smart card inside the SE. IBM TKE Workstations are different, yes. It has

Re: HMC and zombie USB device

2022-08-18 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
ERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: HMC and zombie USB device (Clicked ENTER too fast) To complement: The SmartCard Reader is documented in Service Guide, BUT... But it is documented is *Support Element* Service Guide. HMC Service Guide shows no SmartCard reader inside. So, it looks like wrong hardware tak

Re: HMC and zombie USB device

2022-08-18 Thread P H
on demand) and Flash Express - this was not for customer use and hence not accessible. Regards Parwez Hamid​ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Radoslaw Skorupka Sent: 18 August 2022 12:02 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: HMC and zombie

Re: HMC and zombie USB device

2022-08-18 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
(Clicked ENTER too fast) To complement: The SmartCard Reader is documented in Service Guide, BUT... But it is documented is *Support Element* Service Guide. HMC Service Guide shows no SmartCard reader inside. So, it looks like wrong hardware taken for HMC. The PC is configured for SE

Re: HMC and zombie USB device

2022-08-18 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
OK, I found it. It is *internal* device, inaccessible to the user. And it is not for typical smart cards. Strange, it is reported as connected to USB - yes, USB can be internal, but IMHO the goal is to report external devices, which is important from security point of view. -- Radoslaw

Re: HMC and zombie USB device

2022-08-18 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
It is NOT HMA, it is regular HMC - separate PC machine, it is mounted in separate rack, not in z15 cabinet. The machine is 1U high, so it is easy to inspect all the ports and devices. In the front you have removable HDD, several fans (demountable), some LED indicators and power on button. On

HMC and zombie USB device

2022-08-17 Thread Timothy Sipples
I don't think it's a "zombie" device. I think it's a real one. It's just a device you may not have seen before because it's "hidden." I'm not the foremost expert in this area, but (guessing) you're probably using the Hardware Management Appliance (HMA, a.k.a. vHMC). (Did I guess correctly?) If

Re: HMC and zombie USB device

2022-08-17 Thread P H
: 16 August 2022 22:32 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: HMC and zombie USB device As many of us know HMC reports all external devices connected via USB - mice, keyboards, pendrives, etc. That's good from security point of view. However I noticed some HMC (2.15) report *non-existent* device

Re: HMC and zombie USB device

2022-08-16 Thread Mike Schwab
Might have been included on the USB subsystem and not connected. You could look up the schematics or observe the circuit boards and chips. On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, 16:33 Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: > As many of us know HMC reports all external devices connected via USB - > mice, keyboards,

HMC and zombie USB device

2022-08-16 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
As many of us know HMC reports all external devices connected via USB - mice, keyboards, pendrives, etc. That's good from security point of view. However I noticed some HMC (2.15) report *non-existent* device. Yes, I checked it thoroughly. Imagine pizza-box HMC machine and all the cables and