Re: HP being sued, not by IBM.....yet!

MCP and DMS II are from the Burroughs heritage, not UNIVAC/Sperry (OS2200). I don't know what the systems in question are. Somebody pseudonymously commented on that article and suggested DMS II, that's all.

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On 22 Sep 2015 22:53:25 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >Shmuel Metz wrote: >>Intel is almost as old. There have been a lot of changes in both lines >>since the early days. > >The Intel 4004 processor started shipping in 1971. One could also argue the >Intel 8086 (1978) is the

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4004 ≃ IBM 70X 8008 / 8080 ≃ IBM 70XX 8086 ≃ IBM 360 (instruction sets still run today) 80286 ≃ IBM 370 No Virtual memory 80386 ≃ IBM 370 Virtual memory 486 / Pentium ≃ IBM XA / ESA / 390 (More than 16/24 MB) AMD K5 (x64) ≃ IBM z900+ (More than 2/4 GB) On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:35 AM, Timothy

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Thomas Conley wrote: The article talked about a vintage 1960's mainframe, so I guess these guys are running an S/360. I find that highly improbable. The (3rd party, perforce) maintenance cost on a S/360 box alone would likely make the total ownership cost of something a *lot* newer look

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john.archie.mck...@gmail.com (John McKown) writes: > ​They are probably referring to a z, but doing it in such a way as to > totally disparage it. The fact that the z13 is the fastest microprocessor > currently existed just doesn't penetrate their mind because the original > ​S/360 was designed in

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0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Bill Johnson) writes: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/22/michigan_sues_hp_for_upgrade_failure/ > Michigan failure. remember HP had bought EDS: http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-news/press-release.html?id=169924 originally founded by former IBM

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In , on 09/22/2015 at 10:35 AM, John McKown said: >The fact that the z13 is the fastest microprocessor >currently existed just doesn't penetrate their mind because the >original S/360 was

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On 22 Sep 2015 08:18:21 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >On 9/22/2015 11:04 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: >> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 14:30:12 +, Bill Johnson wrote: >> >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/22/michigan_sues_hp_for_upgrade_failure/ >> >> "to date not a single mainframe app

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Shmuel Metz wrote: >Intel is almost as old. There have been a lot of changes in both lines >since the early days. The Intel 4004 processor started shipping in 1971. One could also argue the Intel 8086 (1978) is the evolutionary starting point. If the comment attached to that article is correct

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On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 14:30:12 +, Bill Johnson wrote: >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/22/michigan_sues_hp_for_upgrade_failure/ "to date not a single mainframe app has been successfully ported to a more modern computer system" Evidently the Register doesn't know that mainframes *are*

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Tom Marchant wrote: Evidently the Register doesn't know that mainframes*are* modern. The machines are. Their workforce isn't. It might be if there were affordable access to modern mainframe operating systems for the masses of young programmers. But I've only been saying that for 20+ years.

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Bill Johnson wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/22/michigan_sues_hp_for_upgrade_failure/ Michigan failure. I've seen so many of these and I understand why these conversions fail. The Colorado Child Welfare System springs to mind. Have watched clients struggle with conversions while

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On 9/22/2015 11:04 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 14:30:12 +, Bill Johnson wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/22/michigan_sues_hp_for_upgrade_failure/ "to date not a single mainframe app has been successfully ported to a more modern computer system" Evidently the

HP being sued, not by IBM.....yet!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/22/michigan_sues_hp_for_upgrade_failure/ Michigan failure. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO

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Bill Johnson wrote: >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/22/michigan_sues_hp_for_upgrade_failure/ >Michigan failure. Bill, many thanks for this interesting link, but I got a nice picture of a vulture sleeping on a '404' computer... ;-D Your link is somewhat broken even after I fixed that

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One of the comments: Re: SIMH Looking around at some of their purchase orders, it would seem they have Unisys mainframes running COBOL applications supported by a proprietary ISAM-type database engine, as well as more modern applications written in PowerBuilder with Sybase underpinnings. Part of

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Jack J. Woehr wrote: Tom Marchant wrote: Evidently the Register doesn't know that mainframes*are* modern. The machines are. Their workforce isn't. It might be if there were affordable access to modern mainframe operating systems for the masses of young programmers. But I've only been saying

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On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 14:30:12 +, Bill Johnson wrote: >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/22/michigan_sues_hp_for_upgrade_failure/ >Michigan failure. > ".. 1960s mainframe hell" Kinda harsh. And, "... 1960s-vintage mainframe ..." What model did they have? Could they even get service for

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On 9/22/2015 11:23 AM, Mike Schwab wrote: One of the comments: Re: SIMH Looking around at some of their purchase orders, it would seem they have Unisys mainframes running COBOL applications supported by a proprietary ISAM-type database engine, as well as more modern applications written in

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On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Thomas Conley wrote: > On 9/22/2015 11:04 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: > >> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 14:30:12 +, Bill Johnson wrote: >> >> >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/22/michigan_sues_hp_for_upgrade_failure/ >>> >> >> "to date