Re: SAF without an ESM

2022-05-20 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 5/4/2022 2:45 PM, coasthermit wrote: Many years back I IPLed my onepak system with RACF disabled to see what happened.Every access of a resource sent a reply prompt to the console for YES/NO.It took a while but I eventually got enough of MVS up that I could logon to TSO/E.I considered

Re: SAF without an ESM

2022-05-05 Thread Kirk Wolf
Hey, that was both kinds! On Thu, May 5, 2022, at 9:03 PM, David Spiegel wrote: > *flotsam > > On 2022-05-05 19:45, Kirk Wolf wrote: > > Oh my, LOL. > > About half of ibm-main posts are attempts at humor (many unintentional), > > and the other half are just pedantic flotsum but that actually

Re: SAF without an ESM

2022-05-05 Thread David Spiegel
*flotsam On 2022-05-05 19:45, Kirk Wolf wrote: Oh my, LOL. About half of ibm-main posts are attempts at humor (many unintentional), and the other half are just pedantic flotsum but that actually landed somewhere else. On Thu, May 5, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Phil Smith III wrote: Alan Altmark

Re: SAF without an ESM

2022-05-05 Thread Kirk Wolf
Oh my, LOL. About half of ibm-main posts are attempts at humor (many unintentional), and the other half are just pedantic flotsum but that actually landed somewhere else. On Thu, May 5, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Phil Smith III wrote: > Alan Altmark wrote, in part: > >it should attempt to engage a

Re: SAF without an ESM

2022-05-05 Thread Phil Smith III
Alan Altmark wrote, in part: >it should attempt to engage a human. So your program calls some system interface, SAF gets involved, responds "Your call is very important to us.please hold for the next available agent."? /s --

Re: SAF without an ESM

2022-05-05 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wed, 4 May 2022 12:50:49 -0400, zMan wrote: >Someone on r/mainframe asks what SAF does without an ESM. I'm thinking "not >much", but the last sentence above sort of suggests otherwise--unless "SAF >either processes security authorization requests directly" mean

Re: SAF without an ESM

2022-05-05 Thread Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
. Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw https://rsclweb.com ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of zMan Sent: 05 May 2022 16:47 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SAF without an ESM Well, sure, you can write your

Re: SAF without an ESM

2022-05-05 Thread Charles Mills
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SAF without an ESM Well, sure, you can write your own ESM. But that's not SAF doing anything itself. Same applies to exits, mentioned elsewhere. As written, that graf sounds like SAF itself will do some security checking, OR you can buy an ESM and do more. On Wed, May 4, 2022

Re: SAF without an ESM

2022-05-05 Thread zMan
on, some way > to configure what you have written. > > Charles > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of zMan > Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 9:51 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject:

Re: SAF without an ESM

2022-05-05 Thread Robert S. Hansel (RSH)
www.rshconsulting.com -Original Message- Date:Thu, 5 May 2022 05:45:53 +0800 From:coasthermit Subject: Re: SAF without an ESM Many years back I IPLed my onepak system with RACF disabled to see what happened.Every access of a resource sent a reply prompt to the console for YES

Re: SAF without an ESM

2022-05-04 Thread coasthermit
for every access request, but in the end I just built a default RACF data base for that system to use.Maybe SAF still works the same way. Original message From: zMan Date: 5/5/22 00:51 (GMT+08:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: SAF without an ESM On https://www.ibm.com

Re: SAF without an ESM

2022-05-04 Thread Michael Joseph
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Re: SAF without an ESM

2022-05-04 Thread Charles Mills
to configure what you have written. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of zMan Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 9:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: SAF without an ESM On https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos-basic

SAF without an ESM

2022-05-04 Thread zMan
AF either processes > security authorization requests directly or works with RACF®, or other > security product, to process them. Someone on r/mainframe asks what SAF does without an ESM. I'm thinking "not much", but the last sentence above sort of suggests otherwise--unless "