Re: SV: SV: SV: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all

2013-02-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 201302201529.55146.jlturr...@centurytel.net, on 02/20/2013 at 03:29 PM, Leslie Turriff jlturr...@centurytel.net said: All issues with level numbers and usage clauses may be quickly resolved by looking at the COBOL Language Reference manual (unless one has an aversion to reading it). Or,

Re: SV: SV: SV: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all

2013-02-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a90e503c23f97441b05ee302853b0e628645d9f...@fspas01ev010.fspa.myntet.se, on 02/20/2013 at 09:15 AM, Thomas Berg thomas.b...@swedbank.se said: Do you in this regard prefer, e g, that: 01 NAME1 PIC X. 88 ONE VALUE '1'. 88 ZERO VALUE '0'. - instead be: 01 NAME1

Re: SV: SV: SV: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all

2013-02-21 Thread John Gilmore
No, unlike C, which has only pointers to functions, PL/I has procedure variables, which may of course be based, pointed to. A pointer, inclusive of a procedure pointer, should be just a pointer, no different from a pointer to an aggregate or scalar. What that pointer points to may of course have

Re: SV: SV: SV: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all

2013-02-21 Thread John Gilmore
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Re: SV: SV: SV: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all

2013-02-21 Thread Clark Morris
On 20 Feb 2013 13:37:40 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main Leslie wrote: On Wednesday 20 February 2013 02:15:51 Thomas Berg wrote: It's not the features that are bad in those instances, but rather the syntax for requesting the features; that syntax is about as far from the purported

SV: SV: SV: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all

2013-02-20 Thread Thomas Berg
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Re: SV: SV: SV: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all

2013-02-20 Thread Leslie Turriff
On Wednesday 20 February 2013 02:15:51 Thomas Berg wrote: It's not the features that are bad in those instances, but rather the syntax for requesting the features; that syntax is about as far from the purported English-like character of COBOL as you can get. I can't immediately see that

Re: SV: SV: SV: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all

2013-02-20 Thread Frank Swarbrick
...@centurytel.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:29 PM Subject: Re: SV: SV: SV: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all On Wednesday 20 February 2013 02:15:51 Thomas Berg wrote: It's not the features that are bad in those instances, but rather the syntax

Re: SV: SV: SV: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all

2013-02-20 Thread John Gilmore
Some things improved when the future of COBOL was wrested from Codasyl, and some did not. We still have the proliferation of distinctions among entities that ought not to be distinguished, distinctions without substantive differences. The three entities pointer procedure-pointer program-pointer

Re: SV: SV: SV: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all

2013-02-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 21:19:16 -0500, John Gilmore wrote: pointer procedure-pointer program-pointer are the poster children for this dubious practice. I know what the differences among tgherm are, but if pointer had not been misconceived in the beginning they would have been unnecessary. (There

Re: SV: SV: SV: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all

2013-02-19 Thread Leslie Turriff
On Monday 18 February 2013 23:20:46 Ed Gould wrote: Most places I have worked the use of ALTER was banned in the standards manual. Ed Not this place; my mentor chastised me for using structured methods (he didn't understand it). :-P Leslie

SV: SV: SV: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all

2013-02-18 Thread Thomas Berg
-Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] För Leslie Turriff Skickat: den 17 februari 2013 22:54 Till: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Ämne: Re: SV: SV: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all On Sunday 17 February 2013 12:47

Re: SV: SV: SV: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all

2013-02-18 Thread Leslie Turriff
On Monday 18 February 2013 05:16:45 Thomas Berg wrote: (I really hate the ALTER command.) Fortunately I haven't seen this the last +20 years or so.  Anf if I had I would have strangled the programmer... :) I had one at my last application programming job last year. (They never

Re: SV: SV: SV: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all

2013-02-18 Thread Ed Gould
Most places I have worked the use of ALTER was banned in the standards manual. Ed On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:45 PM, Leslie Turriff wrote: On Monday 18 February 2013 05:16:45 Thomas Berg wrote: (I really hate the ALTER command.) Fortunately I haven't seen this the last +20 years or so. Anf if