Re: Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table

2020-07-21 Thread Gord Tomlin
On 2020-07-21 09:35, Seymour J Metz wrote: I can see the point about creating an unnecessary subsystem, but what's complicated about looking up a subsystem? It's not complicated to look up a subsystem, but it could be an excessive path length. I've seen systems with over 200 subsystems

Re: Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table

2020-07-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
I can see the point about creating an unnecessary subsystem, but what's complicated about looking up a subsystem? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Peter

Re: Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table

2020-07-21 Thread Peter Relson
How is using a field for what it is intended for abuse? "Abuse" in this case is creating a subsystem when there is no need to do so. In the past, subsystems were sometimes created solely to have access to the SSCTUSER field. And how is N/T easier? For the same reason as above -- there is

Re: Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table

2020-07-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
How is using a field for what it is intended for abuse? And how is N/T easier? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Steve Smith [sasd...@gmail.com] Sent:

Re: Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table

2020-07-20 Thread Steve Smith
Have you never heard of Name/Token Services? It's much easier than abusing the SSI, and much more efficient. sas On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 8:29 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > If the server creates a system LX, how does the client locate it? Of those > ways, which is easiest? > >

Re: Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table

2020-07-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
If the server creates a system LX, how does the client locate it? Of those ways, which is easiest? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Peter Relson

Re: Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table

2020-07-20 Thread Peter Relson
If the AS2 has the capability of switching to supervisor state; why can't it (AS2) create its own Cross Memory environment allowing Address Space (AS1) the ability to issue a PC to AS2 and the PC Service Routine use AR Mode to transfer data from the Target Address Space (AS2) to the Accessing

Re: Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table

2020-07-19 Thread Peter Relson
Thanks to Charles M for getting this into a form without the HTML. First of all -- I am assuming PCRTN resides in the Private Area of the Accessing Address Space (AS1) and PCRTN is defined as a Non- Space Switching, Stacking PC , with a System LX. Is My understanding correct ? No it is not. A

Re: Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table

2020-07-19 Thread esst...@juno.com
Seymour I am agreeing with you -- Original Message -- From: Seymour J Metz To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 13:47:32 + I didn't claim that "every Address Space that needs to

Re: Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table

2020-07-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
I didn't claim that "every Address Space that needs to access data be defined as a subsystem." What I did say is that the easy way for a *server* to provide access is to be a subsystem. The address spaces accessing data from that server would not normally be subsystems. Don't confuse the

Re: Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table

2020-07-19 Thread esst...@juno.com
Seymour and Joe . Thanks for participating in this dialogue. I'm still unclear on this procedure. . . Seymour I agree that AS2 should be a subsystem, I cant see every Address Space that needs to access data be defined as a subsystem. . Joe 'Im not sure I understand you comment - Are You saying

Re: Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table

2020-07-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
Part of designing a server address space is creating a mechanism for clients to identify it. The easy way is to be a subsystem. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on

Re: Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table

2020-07-19 Thread Joe Monk
"Sorry for the garbled message -.If the AS2 has the capability of switching to supervisor state; why can't it (AS2) create its own Cross Memory environment allowing Address Space (AS1) the ability to issue a PC to AS2 and the PC Service Routine use AR Mode to transfer data from the Target Address

Re: Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table

2020-07-19 Thread esst...@juno.com
-- Original Message -- From: Joe Monk To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:27:39 -0500 This is explained on page 113: "The example also shows the difference between cross memory data

Re: Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table

2020-07-18 Thread Joe Monk
This is explained on page 113: "The example also shows the difference between cross memory data movement with a move to primary (MVCP) and a data movement performed through ARs and the MVC instruction. PGM1 uses the SSAR instruction to establish AS2 as the secondary address space, then it uses

Re: Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table

2020-07-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
The HTML character entities make your message almost unreadable. Does your e-mail software have a way to turn them off? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of

Re: Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table

2020-07-18 Thread Charles Mills
I don't know if this was readable for others but I had to edit it to be able to read it. I thought I would share my editing. Different mail clients -- perhaps it was better for others as it was. Different strokes ... Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Using AN EAX value of PC Routineto index into the Authority Table

2020-07-18 Thread esst...@juno.com
Hello. Im reading Chapter 5 Using Access Registers in MVS Programming Extended Addressability Guide (SA23-1394-30). Pages 113 116 Procedures for establishing addressability to an address spaceRegarding Figure 38I understand the EAX value of PCRTN indexes into the AT of AS2.I understand PC