Re: z/OS v2.1 preview

2013-02-08 Thread Timothy Sipples
Re: FTPS v. SFTP, there are pros and cons to almost everything in IT. One more pro with FTPS is that many customers have implemented FTP already in various operationally complex ways -- scripts, exits, monitors, whatever, whatever. Flipping on the TLS/SSL switch changes little if anything that

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread Jim McAlpine
I've found another error in the data class selection routines which means that datasets have been converted but not assigned the correct data class. What is the quickest way to reassign a data class (or storage class come to that). Do I have to CONVERTV to NONSMS and then CONVERTV to SMS again or

Re: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-08 Thread David Devine
Historically Spool has had a long association with the weaving/rope making industry and thence to wire cable electrical wiring. Possibly the imagery of how an industrial weaving loom worked fitted in with the concept of what was trying to be achieved and last but not least it may well have

Re: z/OS v2.1 preview

2013-02-08 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Martin Packer wrote: Disclaimer: I'm not a product developer and nobody has to listen to me. :-) Yes, zChampion, at this moment I'm not listening to you, but am *forced* to read your mails... ;-D Thanks for your post. Most interesting thread, anyway. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread Mike Schwab
ALTER data.set.name DATACLAS(newvalue) On a ISPF 3.4 line, a / picks up the data.set.name from that line. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Jim McAlpine jim.mcalp...@gmail.com wrote: I've found another error in the data class selection routines which means that datasets have been converted but

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread Jim McAlpine
Thanks Mike. Jim On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.comwrote: ALTER data.set.name DATACLAS(newvalue) On a ISPF 3.4 line, a / picks up the data.set.name from that line. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Jim McAlpine jim.mcalp...@gmail.com wrote: I've found

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread Brian Fraser
ALTER data.set.name DATACLAS(newvalue) DATACLAS is not an optional parameter to IDCAMS ALTER -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Correct, very irritating restriction. You can MOVE the dataset with DFDSS and provide a new DATACLAS then. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Brian Fraser Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 13:23 To:

Re: At Last (z/os v2.1) !

2013-02-08 Thread Don Williams
Over the years, I've asked several times. I've wanted in sequence concatentation (since the first time I processed SMF data). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 6:12 PM

Re: Opinion: Why it is better to log to a UNIX file than a sequential data set.

2013-02-08 Thread Kirk Wolf
Also consider syslogd, especially for logging of system functions. This allows you to categorize, filter, and direct logs to unix files that are automatically archived to z/OS datasets. More info can be found in the Comm Server doc. Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Wed,

Re: SFTP vs. FTPS (was: z/OS v2.1 preview)

2013-02-08 Thread Kirk Wolf
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 14:20:02 -0600, Kirk Wolf wrote: Walt, You are correct - FTP is more prevalent in z/OS shops. SFTP is much more prevalent in distributed systems since OpenSSH is installed as a default package

Re: Rejoice! z/OS 2.1 addresses some long term JCL complaints from here:

2013-02-08 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 00:36:54 -0600, Tom Wasik wrote: If you are interested, there is some additional detail on the 2.1 JES2 JCL changes in my SHARE pitch from this week: http://share.confex.com/share/120/webprogram/Handout/Session13029/JES2%20Product%20Update%20and%20Latest%20Status.pdf

Re: Opinion: Why it is better to log to a UNIX file than a sequential data set.

2013-02-08 Thread John McKown
Would be neat, but I can't figure out how to have an application write to the UNIX syslogd daemon simply by using a DD and the UNIX file via QSAM interface. Hum, I guess it might be possible to use the GPSAM routines on the CBTTape to do this. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Kirk Wolf

Re: z/OS v2.1 preview

2013-02-08 Thread Dana Mitchell
On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 23:36:53 -0600, Jim Elliott, IBM jim_elli...@ca.ibm.com wrote: Re the 3270 support. This has been in the HMC for a long time and is used by z/VM. z/OS is finally getting the same support (in addition to the line mode HMC console). So any machine supported by z/OS 2.1 (i.e

Re: At Last (z/os v2.1) !

2013-02-08 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 08:22:24 -0500, Don Williams donb...@gmail.com wrote: Over the years, I've asked several times. I've wanted in sequence concatenation (since the first time I processed SMF data). We've all wanted this forever. Better late than never! Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden

Re: Rejoice! z/OS 2.1 addresses some long term JCL complaints from here:

2013-02-08 Thread zMan
So I've read the PDF but I'm still not clear on this: Does the enhanced symbol support mean that you can use symbols in places like this: REPRO INFILE(GIMZPOOL) + OUTDATASET(HLQ..GLOBAL.CSI) ? That would sure make distributed SMP/E JCL easier for customers to modify.

Re: Rejoice! z/OS 2.1 addresses some long term JCL complaints from here:

2013-02-08 Thread Martin Packer
I think it would also make job cloning easier. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog:

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread Don Williams
ALTER can change MGMTCLAS and STORCLAS, but not DATACLAS My best guess is that changing the DATACLAS would imply rewritting the data, since some DATACLAS attributes control the physical recording of data. Don -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread Don Williams
IIRC, not a DFDMDdss COPY option, either. DSS does not reformat data. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Vernooij, CP - SPLXM Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 7:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: basic

Re: z/OS v2.1 preview

2013-02-08 Thread zMan
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.comwrote: Do you know if this is the standard RegExp functions callable from C that are driving this? I've advised various developers that if z/OS product functions standardise on using these we: XKCD must be a z/OS user:

Re: Rejoice! z/OS 2.1 addresses some long term JCL complaints from here:

2013-02-08 Thread David Andrews
On Fri, 2013-02-08 at 09:29 -0500, zMan wrote: Does the enhanced symbol support mean that you can use symbols in places like this: REPRO INFILE(GIMZPOOL) + OUTDATASET(HLQ..GLOBAL.CSI) Tom's presentation notes that substitution is done at application *read* time,

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
That is correct see http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r12/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.zos.r12.idas200%2Fs2010.htm Thank You, Dave O'Brien NIH Contractor From: Don Williams [donb...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:54 AM To:

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Ok, then I did it with CA-DISK or FDR. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 16:15 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: basic SMS question That is

Re: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-08 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 02/07/2013 10:35 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In 51143860.7030...@acm.org, on 02/07/2013 at 05:27 PM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org said: The Wood history of HASP/JES2 left hanging the question about the origin of the term spooling. Do you consider SPOOL System, 7070-IO-076 to

Re: z/OS v2.1 preview

2013-02-08 Thread John Eells
Edward Jaffe wrote: On 2/6/2013 6:16 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: o IBM plans to remove support for unsecured FTP connections used for z/OS software and service delivery October 1, 2013. At that time, it is planned that new System z software (products and service) downloads will require

Re: Rejoice! z/OS 2.1 addresses some long term JCL complaints from here:

2013-02-08 Thread zMan
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:01 AM, David Andrews d...@lists.duda.com wrote: On Fri, 2013-02-08 at 09:29 -0500, zMan wrote: Does the enhanced symbol support mean that you can use symbols in places like this: REPRO INFILE(GIMZPOOL) + OUTDATASET(HLQ..GLOBAL.CSI)

Re: Rejoice! z/OS 2.1 addresses some long term JCL complaints from here:

2013-02-08 Thread Tom Wasik
The SYMBOLS= keyword is on the DD DATA or DD * JCL. It controls what symbols are substituted in the instream data sets ... so yes, in places like: REPRO INFILE(GIMZPOOL) + OUTDATASET(HLQ..GLOBAL.CSI) The way the substitution works is it looks to compress blanks to

Re: z/OS v2.1 preview

2013-02-08 Thread John Gilmore
John Eels wrote, | How else would (or should) we let people know? and his point is well taken. Piggybacking this information on the z/OS 2.1 (sic) preview was entirely appropriate. The text used was less so. It should have been clearer about scope, retrofitting, and the like. There would of

Re: Rejoice! z/OS 2.1 addresses some long term JCL complaints from here:

2013-02-08 Thread David Andrews
On Fri, 2013-02-08 at 11:03 -0500, zMan wrote: Sorry to seem dense -- is that a no? I didn't answer your question (sorry), but you brought to mind an interesting caveat. Read-time has 1001 uses, and probably a couple of gotchas. Excuse my digression. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc.

Re: basic SMS question

2013-02-08 Thread Gibney, Dave
Which of the many DATACLAS attributes do you wish to change. Most are physical aspects of the actual existing dataset. Just changing the description will have no effect. These attributes are fixed when the dataset is created. Re-creation and copying the data is the only effective way to change

Re: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 51145fd3.5010...@valley.net, on 02/07/2013 at 09:15 PM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net said: I had one question - he describes the ASP precurser as a 7090/7094 complex. I was not aware of any such. The one I ran on at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center (Greenbelt, MD) had a 7044

Re: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-08 Thread John Gilmore
Under IBSYS for the IBM 7094 printed and punched output was often said to be 'spooled' to tape for subsequent printing and punching under the control of an IBM 1401. 'Backronym' is, I suppose, inevitable as a nonce term; but I should be sorry to see such a barbarism come into wide use. The

Re: Rejoice! z/OS 2.1 addresses some long term JCL complaints from here:

2013-02-08 Thread Tom Wasik
It there aren't enough blanks to compress out, will the line be extended, possibly reallocating a buffer if necessary? (I'm assuming RECFM=VB for the SYSIN. If there are not enough blanks, then the length of the line is extended. If the application or utility passes in a large enough buffer,

Re: SFTP vs. FTPS (was: z/OS v2.1 preview)

2013-02-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In cahm_n2mhmefqzznc_5r14ygmzbplh9nzyyv33aflanuchy-...@mail.gmail.com, on 02/08/2013 at 07:59 AM, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com said: (Sorry if my sarcasm detector isn't working for your post, but) yeah - z/OS is not a Unix/Linux distro :-) z/OS Unix isn't either - its a POSIX layer for

Check out Associated Press-Big snow in Northeast.

2013-02-08 Thread Ed Finnell
_Associated Press_ (http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d281c11a96b4ad082fe88aa0db04305/Article_2013-02-08-Northeast%20Snow/id-3e9597311a9b4923bcf53839ab7 a152a) Only a travel warning for those stuck in Anaheim-say hi to Mickey!

Re: SFTP vs. FTPS (was: z/OS v2.1 preview)

2013-02-08 Thread Scott Ford
Kirk is correct, Z/os is posix ...uses posix C Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 8, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Paul

Re: z/OS v2.1 preview

2013-02-08 Thread Scott Ford
Martin, I am a developer, but that doesn't mean people listen... Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 8, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com wrote: Do you know if

Re: Check out Associated Press-Big snow in Northeast.

2013-02-08 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-02-08 19:30, Ed Finnell pisze: _Associated Press_ (http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d281c11a96b4ad082fe88aa0db04305/Article_2013-02-08-Northeast%20Snow/id-3e9597311a9b4923bcf53839ab7 a152a) Only a travel warning for those stuck in Anaheim-say hi to Mickey! Well, I saw weather

Re: blksize for ML2 migrated dataset via HSM

2013-02-08 Thread Neil Duffee
Caveat: I get the daily digest so you folx've probably already hashed this to death... Not sure about signed/unsigned but CA-1(R) r12.6 will not store a value 032760. FDR/ABR dumps backup records in approx. track length ie. 57k-ish for our 3390-3s, but they are recorded with the 032760 value

Re: Rejoice! z/OS 2.1 addresses some long term JCL complaints from here:

2013-02-08 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:52:14 -0600, Tom Wasik wrote: More detail will be presented at the next SHARE so come to Boston and learn a lot more. Thanks Tom, nice info. Seems like lots of functionality coming we've all been hanging out for - for years ... :-) Shane ...

Dfsmsdfp

2013-02-08 Thread Scott Ford
All, I am calling a program passing an alternate ddname list for sysin/sysprint. Are there dfsms exits that will prevent me from doing this ? Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb