Re: Pleas quote the text you reply to (Was: Automatic Job Ended Email (detail information))

2014-01-21 Thread Gibney, Dave
I guess Outlook and Exchange are not fully functional mail software. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 10:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pleas quote

Check out BBC News - Lenovo shares rise on reports of IBM deal

2014-01-21 Thread Ed Finnell
_BBC News - Lenovo shares rise on reports of IBM deal_ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25822557) How hi is low??? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu

Re: Dataspace versus common area above the bar

2014-01-21 Thread John Blythe Reid
I'd just like to thank you all for the superb responses you given to my question. It really has been a great help. Bye for now, John. On 21 January 2014 00:43, Kenneth Wilkerson redb...@austin.rr.com wrote: Because I've used memory objects for so long, I have not had a reason for IARVSERV. I

Re: Disposal of storage devices/med

2014-01-21 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-01-20 22:44, Paul Gilmartin pisze: On 2014-01-20, at 13:35, R.S. wrote: And what about n-times overwrite policies? What number is proper? Does one need to overwrite disk content once, twice, 3 times, 7 times or 21 times? What's the magic number? And what is the reason for the

Re: Check out BBC News - Lenovo shares rise on reports of IBM deal

2014-01-21 Thread Shane Ginnane
quote Some analysts said that investors were betting the firm would be able to repeat that success with IBM's low-end server division as well. /quote So that would that be the z114s ? Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe

Re: Automatic Job Ended Email (detail information)

2014-01-21 Thread David Crayford
On 21/01/2014 2:45 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote: Robert Rosenberg writes: There is a limit on how long a URL can be. That type of URL gets long very fast if you are embedding the actual data into it. Yes, but staying within 2000 characters is generally regarded as safe, which is presumably a lot

Re: Disposal of storage devices/media

2014-01-21 Thread Lloyd Fuller
In addition to the possibility of decryption, there is the issue that you need to get the disks from the array back into the same order they were in the original array with the same type and level of the disk controller.  This may be less of a problem with mainframe disk arrays, but it can

Re: Spanned FCTC

2014-01-21 Thread Tim Deller
From informational apar II14042 when communicating across CSS's the CUADD must contain the CSSID and IMAGEID, ie. for CSS 0 to communicate over a channel to CSS 1 image 3 the CUADD must be 13 where 1 is the CSS id and 3 is the MIF id.

Re: Disposal of storage devices/med

2014-01-21 Thread Pommier, Rex
Radoslaw, About 10 years ago I was given the task to migrate off an RVA onto a different disk subsystem. Not really knowing how to erase the disks without use of a sledgehammer, I initialized all the volumes to logically erase them, then uploaded a bunch of songs to the array. I then

Build Production I/O Definition File - Error

2014-01-21 Thread Dazzo, Matt
I am getting an error when building a new IODF file, see the error below. To test to see if this was a problem with my new iodf work file, I copied the active iodf work file to a test iodf work file. Then I did a Build production I/O definition file from my copied test file, I got the same

Re: Build Production I/O Definition File - Error

2014-01-21 Thread Lizette Koehler
Matt, In the z/OS V1R12.0 Hardware Configuration Definition (HCD) User's Guide manual, I found the following http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r12/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.zos.r 12.cbdu100%2Fdiodfdu.htm Use the ID=IODF parameter of the TRACE command to produce an IODF dump. This

IBM to invest 1.2B into Cloud Data Centers

2014-01-21 Thread Lizette Koehler
I found this interesting http://www.microscope.co.uk/news/2240212684/IBM-ploughs-billions-into-cloud- data-centres?utm_medium=EM http://www.microscope.co.uk/news/2240212684/IBM-ploughs-billions-into-cloud -data-centres?utm_medium=EMasrc=EM_NLN_26232187utm_campaign=20140121_Cloud

Re: Disposal of storage devices/media

2014-01-21 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-01-21 14:30, Lloyd Fuller pisze: In addition to the possibility of decryption, there is the issue that you need to get the disks from the array back into the same order they were in the original array with the same type and level of the disk controller. This may be less of a

Re: Build Production I/O Definition File - Error

2014-01-21 Thread Dazzo, Matt
No but I did see this but I really did not understand it, I know the trace is an HCD profile option but did not see it in the panels under HCD profile options. Does this mean I have to enter the command TRACE ON,ID=IODF somewhere? or TRACE ON,ID=IODF,REPAIR. Where would these commands be

Re: Build Production I/O Definition File - Error

2014-01-21 Thread Dazzo, Matt
Lizette, I entered the command TRACE ON,ID=IODF,REPAIR on the HCD command line. I then reran the build and the severe message did NOT come back so I guess the issue is resolved? Can you explain? tks Matt -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Build Production I/O Definition File - Error

2014-01-21 Thread Lizette Koehler
See if this info will help http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r12/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.zos.r 12.cbdu100%2Ftracefc.htm Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dazzo, Matt Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014

Re: z/OS System migration in Sysplex

2014-01-21 Thread Staller, Allan
DEV, TEMP and VER should most likely not be copied, but should be updated if needed. OMVS.ZOSZ1B.** should not be copied from the z/OS 1.11 image. They should be copied from the z/OS 1.13 image. By copying from the z/OS 1.11 image, you are down leveling your production image Otherwise, it

Re: IBM to invest 1.2B into Cloud Data Centers

2014-01-21 Thread Lou Losee
FYI, you could have cut the original URL down to: http://www.microscope.co.uk/news/2240212684/IBM-ploughs-billions-into-cloud- data-centreshttp://www.microscope.co.uk/news/2240212684/IBM-ploughs-billions-into-cloud-data-centres?utm_medium=EM The rest is just tracking garbage. -- Artificial

Re: pax, ddnames and _BPX_SHAREAS

2014-01-21 Thread van der Grijn, Bart (B)
I'm trying to use pax to write to a ddname. I'm doing this from a REXX exec that's running in batch under IKJEFT01. I'm not getting it to work. Various replies by Elardus, John, Jon, Kirk, Leonardo, Lloyd, Paul, Scott and Shmuel Thanks all for the comments and ideas. I'm trying out a couple

System Symbols Question

2014-01-21 Thread Mark Regan
Can you set up a symbol that has a period in it? Example:   SYMDEF(IP1='121.122') Thanks, Mark Regan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message:

Re: System Symbols Question

2014-01-21 Thread Vernooij, CP (SPLXM) - KLM
Yes, I can. Can you RTFM? SYMDEF(symbol='sub-text') 'sub-text' is the substitution text for the system symbol to be defined. The rules for specifying sub-text are: For 'sub-text', there are no restrictions on the types of characters that can be used. Kees. -Original Message- From:

Re: Disposal of storage devices/med

2014-01-21 Thread Phil Smith
R.S. wrote: 3. Regarding possibility rto read *valuable* information overwritten once: Such theoretical possibility assumes one use good microscope and watches single magnetic domain. There is no hidden HDD command like read deleted info. And now: what is easier: decrypt encrypted content of

Re: IBM to invest 1.2B into Cloud Data Centers

2014-01-21 Thread Lizette Koehler
?utm_medium=EM http://www.microscope.co.uk/news/2240212684/IBM-ploughs-billions-into- cloud -data- centres?utm_medium=EMasrc=EM_NLN_26232187utm_campaign=20140121 _Cloud %20developers%20get%20their%20own%20Amazon%20VPCs_ahughesutm_sou rce=N LNtra ck=NL-1814ad=891343 asrc

Re: Somewhat OT: The 25 worst passwords of 2013: 'password' gets dethroned

2014-01-21 Thread Phil Smith
Heh, back 35 years ago at University of Waterloo, I had a student who had some problem and gave me his password (yeah, yeah, we weren't quite as paranoid about such things back then, plus he could always change it, plus-although we didn't admit it-the user directory was actually stored in

Re: System Symbols Question

2014-01-21 Thread David Andrews
On Tue, 2014-01-21 at 07:39 -0800, Mark Regan wrote: Can you set up a symbol that has a period in it? Example: SYMDEF(IP1='121.122') Sure. Here's a similar line lifted from my IEASYM00: SYMDEF(IPSUBNET='10.1.1') /* TCP/IP: subnet */ -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons,

Re: System Symbols Question

2014-01-21 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
David Andrews wrote: Mark Regan wrote: Can you set up a symbol that has a period in it? Example: SYMDEF(IP1='121.122') Sure. Here's a similar line lifted from my IEASYM00: SYMDEF(IPSUBNET='10.1.1') /* TCP/IP: subnet */ As Kees Vernooij also said, it is possible, but

Re: Disposal of storage devices/med

2014-01-21 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-01-21 17:03, Phil Smith pisze: R.S. wrote: 3. Regarding possibility rto read *valuable* information overwritten once: Such theoretical possibility assumes one use good microscope and watches single magnetic domain. There is no hidden HDD command like read deleted info. And now:

Re: System Symbols Question

2014-01-21 Thread Mark Regan
Thanks for the confirmation. And yes, I did read the manual first and it did not tell me enough to know for sure.   Mark Regan From: Vernooij, CP (SPLXM) - KLM kees.verno...@klm.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:55 AM

Re: System Symbols Question

2014-01-21 Thread David Andrews
On Tue, 2014-01-21 at 10:15 -0600, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: You should look where those symbols are used. I use the symbols so: *** IEASYM00 *** SYSDEF LPARNAME(PROD)

Re: System Symbols Question

2014-01-21 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
David Andrews wrote: I use the symbols so: SYSDEF LPARNAME(PROD) [elided] SYMDEF(IPDEVICE='A02') /* TCP/IP: OSA units A02-A04 */ SYMDEF(IPSUBNET='10.1.1') /* TCP/IP: subnet */ SYMDEF(IPHOST='18') /* TCP/IP: host */

Re: IBM to invest 1.2B into Cloud Data Centers

2014-01-21 Thread zMan
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Re: Dataspace versus common area above the bar

2014-01-21 Thread DASDBILL2
One other consideration is that a data space is limited to a size of 2GB, but virtual storage above the bar can be MUCH, MUCH larger.   Bill Fairchild Nolensville, TN - Original Message - From: John Blythe Reid johnblyther...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday,

Re: Check out BBC News - Lenovo shares rise on reports of IBM deal

2014-01-21 Thread Clark Morris
On 21 Jan 2014 03:11:34 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: quote Some analysts said that investors were betting the firm would be able to repeat that success with IBM's low-end server division as well. /quote So that would that be the z114s ? The x86 server line according to the

Re: Dataspace versus common area above the bar

2014-01-21 Thread DASDBILL2
More on flexibility: Storage above the bar can be set to specific storage keys when being acquired, and can use page table entries that map 1MB per entry rather than 4KB per entry.   Bill Fairchild Nolensville, TN - Original Message - From: Kenneth Wilkerson

Re: IBM to invest 1.2B into Cloud Data Centers

2014-01-21 Thread Aled Hughes
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Re: OT: Humor? Stupid questions from a job interviewer.

2014-01-21 Thread DASDBILL2
Speaking of job interviews, here's one possible reason why old guys do not do well in interviews:   Interviewer:  What would you say is your worst shortcoming? Old guy:  My honesty. Interviewer:  I don't think that honesty is necessarily a shortcoming. Old guy:  I really don't give a

Resistance to Java.

2014-01-21 Thread John McKown
This is a curiosity question. I am wondering how resistant shops are to even having the Java JDK installed on their system. Not in being resistant to writing application code in Java, but just to having it available. In particular, are there many shops who would reject a useful product because it

Re: OT: Humor? Stupid questions from a job interviewer.

2014-01-21 Thread zMan
I believe I said that, Doctor. On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:30 PM, DASDBILL2 dasdbi...@comcast.net wrote: Speaking of job interviews, here's one possible reason why old guys do not do well in interviews: Interviewer: What would you say is your worst shortcoming? Old guy: My honesty.

Re: IBM to invest 1.2B into Cloud Data Centers

2014-01-21 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
zedgarhoo...@gmail.com (zMan) writes: Feh. These numbers are meaningless--probably includes the salaries of every IBMer involved plus his/her dog. And I thought Linux was the answer for IBM? Are they replacing those multi-$B Linux data centers now? Yes, I realize the Cloud could be built on

Re: IBM to invest 1.2B into Cloud Data Centers

2014-01-21 Thread zMan
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Re: IBM to invest 1.2B into Cloud Data Centers

2014-01-21 Thread Chris Hoelscher
- IBM has revealed it intends splashing $1.2bn on its cloud computing infrastructure building 15 more data centers across the globe as it looks to position itself as a major source of rented storage space. And when someone doesn't pay up - will we see the storage space opened up on STORAGE WARS

Re: OT: Humor? Stupid questions from a job interviewer.

2014-01-21 Thread Scott Ford
zMan, Sounds like me on a bad day,,,lol Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:40 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: I believe I said that, Doctor. On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:30 PM, DASDBILL2 dasdbi...@comcast.net wrote: Speaking of job

Re: Resistance to Java.

2014-01-21 Thread Tony Harminc
On 21 January 2014 13:39, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: This is a curiosity question. I am wondering how resistant shops are to even having the Java JDK installed on their system. Not in being resistant to writing application code in Java, but just to having it available.

Re: OT: Humor? Stupid questions from a job interviewer.

2014-01-21 Thread DASDBILL2
My bad.  I paraphrased something that I had seen a few weeks ago [1] but I had not yet read zMan's posting of the same joke before I posted it. Bill Fairchild   [1] And what I saw a few weeks ago might even have been a zMan post. - Original Message - From: DASDBILL2

Re: Dataspace versus common area above the bar

2014-01-21 Thread John Gilmore
This thread has been curiously silent about one characteristic of routines/instructions executed above the bar. Unsurprisingly, they are measurably faster than their analogues executed below it. z/Architecture is 64-bit architecture This is not, of course, their only or even their most important

Re: Dataspace versus common area above the bar

2014-01-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 15:42:20 -0500, John Gilmore wrote: This thread has been curiously silent about one characteristic of routines/instructions executed above the bar. Unsurprisingly, they are measurably faster than their analogues executed below it. z/Architecture is 64-bit architecture Is

Re: Dataspace versus common area above the bar

2014-01-21 Thread John McKown
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 2:42 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: This thread has been curiously silent about one characteristic of routines/instructions executed above the bar. Unsurprisingly, they are measurably faster than their analogues executed below it. z/Architecture is 64-bit

Re: IBM to invest 1.2B into Cloud Data Centers

2014-01-21 Thread Dana Mitchell
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 13:23:54 -0500, Aled Hughes aledlhug...@aol.com wrote: I have to agree, zMan. It's important for IBM (in their view) to be seen to be 'keeping up with technology/trends'. And as 'cloud' seems to be a major 'marketing' word/ploy right now, journalists etc are lapping it up.

Re: OT: Humor? Stupid questions from a job interviewer.

2014-01-21 Thread zMan
No worries, I was trying to be funny! On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 2:23 PM, DASDBILL2 dasdbi...@comcast.net wrote: My bad. I paraphrased something that I had seen a few weeks ago [1] but I had not yet read zMan's posting of the same joke before I posted it. Bill Fairchild [1] And what I saw a

Re: Dataspace versus common area above the bar

2014-01-21 Thread John Gilmore
No, I was saying, I thought, something very different. To be clear, the execution of an AMODE(64) routine using the instructions natural to it, is in general faster than the execution of anits AMODE(31) or, a fortiori, AMODE(24) functional equivalent. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

Re: IBM to invest 1.2B into Cloud Data Centers

2014-01-21 Thread John Gilmore
If 'cloud' means remote data storage, then of course Dana Mitchell is quite right. If it is viewed as a vehicle for marketing services, particularly data mining and analytics (to introduce more buzzwords) that use these data, then perhaps he is not. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

Re: Dataspace versus common area above the bar

2014-01-21 Thread John McKown
Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense to me. The hardware is not masking off the unused bits. I totally misread the first paragraph. I also wonder if an AGR is faster than a simple AG. Unless the CPU has both 64 and 32 bit ALUs, it would make sense that the native 64 bit would be faster.

Re: IBM to invest 1.2B into Cloud Data Centers

2014-01-21 Thread DASDBILL2
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Re: Dataspace versus common area above the bar

2014-01-21 Thread Jim Mulder
No, I was saying, I thought, something very different. To be clear, the execution of an AMODE(64) routine using the instructions natural to it, is in general faster than the execution of anits AMODE(31) or, a fortiori, AMODE(24) functional equivalent. AMODE does not affect performance.

Re: Dataspace versus common area above the bar

2014-01-21 Thread Gord Tomlin
On 2014-01-21 15:42, John Gilmore wrote: This thread has been curiously silent about one characteristic of routines/instructions executed above the bar. Unsurprisingly, they are measurably faster than their analogues executed below it. z/Architecture is 64-bit architecture One caveat to that

Re: Fw: Dataspace versus common area above the bar

2014-01-21 Thread Hank Oerlemans
Thank you Peter Relson.my wife is glad she is not alone ... Hank, PD Tools, IBM Australia IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu wrote on 21/01/2014 10:19:56 AM: ... I have seen Peter Relson type (fast) while he was looking at me and carrying on a conversation.

Re: OT: Humor? Stupid questions from a job interviewer.

2014-01-21 Thread Skip Robinson
It's days from Friday, but I have to comment. Like a puzzle for my granddaughter: which question is not (stupid) like the others? As if it were imponderable and unanswerable outside the realm of fancy: why are tennis balls fuzzy? The answer is that they were originally smooth and fast and very

Re: Humor? Stupid questions from a job interviewer.

2014-01-21 Thread Ken Hume IBM
Eric, remember there are no stupid questions, just stupid people. Mr Garrison on South Park. Text of the 4th Ammendment to the U.S. Constitution. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be

Re: OT: Humor? Stupid questions from a job interviewer.

2014-01-21 Thread Scott Ford
Skip, Very interesting about the tennis balls. Stupid questions that's a big topic...depends on your definition of 'stupid' .. Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD On Jan 21, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com wrote: It's days from Friday, but I have to

Re: Dataspace versus common area above the bar

2014-01-21 Thread Mike Schwab
I think it is the new instructions that don't use base or index registers, instead a +/- 32K offset. On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Jim Mulder d10j...@us.ibm.com wrote: No, I was saying, I thought, something very different. To be clear, the execution of an AMODE(64) routine using the

Re: IBM to invest 1.2B into Cloud Data Centers

2014-01-21 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne Lynn Wheeler) writes: pg465/10014-17: Total shareholder distributions, including dividends, amounted to $82 billion, or 122 percent, of net income over this five-year period. Likewise, during the last five years IBM spent less on capital investment than its

Re: Dataspace versus common area above the bar

2014-01-21 Thread Jim Mulder
I think it is the new instructions that don't use base or index registers, instead a +/- 32K offset. functional equivalent, and why you think they are faster? AMODE does not affect performance. Can you explain which instructions you think are faster than some Relative addressing

Re: Fw: Dataspace versus common area above the bar

2014-01-21 Thread John Gilmore
Jim Mulder wrote: begin extract AMODE does not affect performance. Can you explain which instructions you think are faster than some functional equivalent, and why you think they are faster? /end extract and it may be that what we have here is a misunderstanding of my language. Let me begin

Re: Fw: Dataspace versus common area above the bar

2014-01-21 Thread Jim Mulder
begin extract AMODE does not affect performance. Can you explain which instructions you think are faster than some functional equivalent, and why you think they are faster? /end extract and it may be that what we have here is a misunderstanding of my language. Let me begin with a little

Re: Resistance to Java.

2014-01-21 Thread David Crayford
On 22/01/2014 2:39 AM, John McKown wrote: This is a curiosity question. I am wondering how resistant shops are to even having the Java JDK installed on their system. Not in being resistant to writing application code in Java, but just to having it available. In particular, are there many shops

Re: Fw: Dataspace versus common area above the bar

2014-01-21 Thread Kenneth Wilkerson
I have never found comparing instruction speeds to be a fair gauge of performance. It's not the choice of instructions (unless the original choices were very poor) that affect performance but algorithms. As has been pointed out, I have never seen any evidence that converting an algorithm using

Re: Dataspace versus common area above the bar

2014-01-21 Thread Jim Mulder
One caveat to that statement is as follows, from the POps: The performance of CDSG on some models may be significantly slower than that of CSG. WHEN QUADWORD CONSISTENCY IS NOT REQUIRED BY THE PROGRAM, alternate code sequences should be used. (my caps) CDSG was implemented in millicode on the

Re: Dataspace versus common area above the bar

2014-01-21 Thread Itschak Mugzach
64 bit addressing execution is faster if less access to real memory is required to fetch the next instruction. This is what quadword promise, is'It? the performance gain is also depend on the logic of the program (if commands sequenced well with less brunch instructions). ITschak On Wed, Jan