Re: z/VSE Connector Client

[Jack J. Woehr]

Timothy Sipples wrote:

The z/VSE Connector Client itself (and documentation) is a no charge
download, available here:

http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zvse/products/connectors.html#conn


Already downloaded and installed.


As far as I can tell, you can start coding right away


Indeed I can, nice package, my compliments to the chefs.


. As far as testing
goes (with z/VSE's Connector Server), I see three basic options:

1. Arrange for access to your customer's/partner's development environment,


There's no customer, no partner. I've never logged into z/VSE, though I've worked extensively on IBM i, z/VM, and z/OS. 
I've merely been reading up on z/VSE.


What I /do/ have is an Open Source domain-specific interpretive scripting language I wrote called Ublu 
 which allows remote programming/operations (or local, for that matter) that currently 
supports IBM i and z/VM.


It's a great /ad hoc/ or "bandaid" language, reviewed here . Ublu is 
in use in the field supporting IBM i customers.


Ublu is written in Java. I'm looking at extending it to support IBM MQ and now, since I've found your Java bridge to 
z/VSE, well, why not z/VSE, thought I.


Ublu z/VM support is speculative (linking my Open Source 2008 PigIron  java 
library for z/VM SMAPI to the Ublu interpreter), but easy to test since I have access to z/VM.


The z/VSE support would again be speculative, but I have no access currently.

I appreciate you informing me of the options available, but they are impractical for the use case of speculative open 
source development.


(((Parenthetically, off topic, IBM might consider looking at the licenses currently used for the Java clients for both 
IBM MQ and z/VSE as they make it very hard/impossible to incorporate those .jar files in Open Source offerings, even 
those such as mine which have no use whatsoever outside the context of interaction with fully licensed IBM host systems. 
Of course I can compile the code and put the onus on the user to download the .jars for runtime but perhaps IBM could 
consider explicitly licensing Open Source offerings intended to support IBM systems to incorporate the jars with the 
distribution.)))


I guess the most sensible thing to do w/r/t z/VSE is wait until I have a customer that says, "Please help me with 
z/VSE!" and there ya go.


But I like to have these things lined up when I have play time so that when the 
crunch comes the tool is conveniently ready.

Always a pleasure to have you elucidate these matters, Timothy. Thanks for your 
help.

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Re: z/VSE Connector Client

[Timothy Sipples]

The z/VSE Connector Client itself (and documentation) is a no charge
download, available here:

http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zvse/products/connectors.html#conn

As far as I can tell, you can start coding right away. As far as testing
goes (with z/VSE's Connector Server), I see three basic options:

1. Arrange for access to your customer's/partner's development environment,
configured with the z/VSE Connector Server, and consistent with IBM
authorizations. That might be free.

2. If you're an IBM PartnerWorld member (or become one) then you should be
able to sign up for the Remote Development Program (zRDP). Details here:

http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.ENROL.PUBLIC.SHTML%28ZOSRDP%29%27

The zRDP charge is US$550 per month (with the potential for a higher charge
for fairly unusual resource demands), and the minimum term is one month. I
see the signup forms are marked "z/VSE 5.1" since the terms haven't changed
since then, but you should actually get z/VSE 6.1, the current release.
Double check that before you sign up, of course.

3. Or, with the same qualifications, you could obtain a zPDT (or even a
real IBM z System machine) with the IBM maintained/packaged ADCD z/VSE
distribution and run your own z/VSE Connector Server. Details are available
here:

https://www.ibm.com/partnerworld/page/pw_com_zpdt

The zPDT itself, with one virtual engine, has a first year total charge of
US$4049. Thereafter the annual renewal fee is currently US$3750. The ADCD
subscription is $900 per year, including z/VSE, z/OS, and z/VM. If you do
the zPDT math that all works out to about $412/month for the first year and
about $388/month thereafter.

Note that you can have either the zPDT or an IBM z System machine to run
the software you obtain with your $900/year (=$75/month) ADCD subscription
-- either is acceptable. For example, if you have a z114 (or a LPAR on
one), and if you qualify for an ADCD subscription and use that machine (or
LPAR) only for licensed, authorized Partnerworld and ADCD purposes, that
should be fine. IBM has the final word, of course. You have to keep
"reasonably current" in your machine model whenever you start or renew an
ADCD subscription since the software requirements sometimes change, and IBM
(understandably) expects software developers to keep up so they can always
support the latest releases. At the moment, as I write this, IBM says that
the oldest equipment for ADCD signups is z196/z114. z/VSE 6.1 requires a
z10 or higher; you can ask IBM for a machine exception if you're developing
only for z/VSE. Of course it's up to IBM to decide.

To my knowledge the ADCD license is not based on capacity, it's based on
authorized use. Hypothetically, if you legally obtain a zEC12 machine at
auction (a not well advertised one!) for $628.13 that happens to have 42
CPs and 1.5 TB of memory, that's fine.

Some factors to consider:

(a) Who provides basic management of the environment (backup, some
security, etc.): IBM or you.

(b) Running on a genuine z System versus a zPDT. Although the zPDT is well
tested, you might still want to run some final tests on a target machine
depending on your customers' expectations.

(c) How much computing resources you get (processor, memory, storage, etc.)


Timothy Sipples
IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA
E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com

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Re: zLinux market penetration

[Mark Post]

>>> On 11/5/2016 at 02:23 PM, Itschak Mugzach  wrote: 
> I wonder how many of you are using zLinux. In Isrtael only two out of about
> 15 sites use zLinux, not sure they ar happy with it.
> 
> The last document I saw reg. zlinx pen. wat from cheril Wattson (Exploiting
> z/OS: Tales From the MVS Survey from 2014) showing only 10% of the
> responders (105) uses zLinux in production and same number does that in
> test.
> 
> What are the real numbers?

IBM doesn't give out a lot of numbers, but they do like to sprinkle some about. 
 They say that 80 of their top 100 mainframe customers are running Linux on the 
mainframe.  Sales of IFLs have increased every year since they were introduced. 
 A lot of that is to existing customers, but not all.  They talk about "new to 
the mainframe" customers each year, and a lot of those (but not all) run Linux. 
 My company has over 1,000 Linux on mainframe customers, including two of the 
largest in the world.  IBM itself is also quite a large customer, and not just 
due to their "Project Green" consolidation efforts.

I know that Isracard has been a Red Hat customer for quite a while now.  Last I 
heard, they were pretty happy with the overall results.

Is there any specific reason why you're asking?


Mark Post

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Re: Time to dump time zones?

[Steve Horein]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0MUps-bNM

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Re: Time to dump time zones?

[Tom Brennan]

I like going to Google where "time in new york" displays what I need. 
And before flying to Gaithersburg I wanted to see if I'd be able to 
watch the 2nd presidential debate scheduled for 8pm in St. Louis.  I 
have no idea what time zones those cities are in, or whether they use 
daylight savings time or whatever.  So I typed this into Google and was 
kind of surprised that it worked: "8pm in st louis in gaithersburg"


Charles Mills wrote:
"let's think, what UTC time do folks in New York tend to go to bed?"  


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Re: Time to dump time zones?

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Sat, 5 Nov 2016 14:33:23 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:

>http://nyti.ms/2epoRsf
>
>I disagree. I would happily ditch Summer/Daylight Saving Time, but I think
>time zones make life easier. If it is 8 pm in San Francisco and I am
>wondering if it is too late to call my friend in New York, it is much easier
>to look and say "11 pm -- probably too late" than it would be to have to say
>"let's think, what UTC time do folks in New York tend to go to bed?"
>
I can take a couple other contrary positions.  I believe employees want
to have some morning light and as much afternoon light as possible
outside working hours.  And businesses find it more economical to
adjust clocks than to repaint signs on their front doors semiannually.
(And IT should accommodate the public; the public should not be
required to accommodate IT.)

On time zones, I can more agree the NYT article.  I recall an airline pilot's
telling me six decades ago that he would be delighted to see the whole
world on UTC.  The armed forces do it; for both it's a matter of safety
where a miscommunication can be lethal.

But I know to correct a television network's announcement of a show at
9 PM Easterb to know that if it's a sports event it means 7 PM Mountain;
if it's a scripted drama it means 8 PM Mountain.  (Really.)

The first thing to go should be the 12-hour clock.  It benefits no one.

Wanna talk SI?

-- gil

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Time to dump time zones?

[Charles Mills]

http://nyti.ms/2epoRsf

I disagree. I would happily ditch Summer/Daylight Saving Time, but I think
time zones make life easier. If it is 8 pm in San Francisco and I am
wondering if it is too late to call my friend in New York, it is much easier
to look and say "11 pm -- probably too late" than it would be to have to say
"let's think, what UTC time do folks in New York tend to go to bed?"  

Charles 

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Bill Woodger]

Ah, I love doing that as well.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Farley, Peter x23353]

Thanks Charles, that link worked for me without any sign in.

Now bookmarked! 

Peter

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https://docops.ca.com/home 

I am registered with CA, etc., etc. but I don't think that is necessary. Give 
the above a try. Apologies if I am mistaken and cookies or something like that 
are signing me on.

Charles

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I wish CA (and others, but I need CA mostly) made its user manuals available 
for "whomsoever wills". It would make finding general information about a 
product so much easier. Of course, it would "cut out" the need to get hold of a 
CA representative and register yourself for contact by marketing.

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Re: zLinux market penetration

[Charles Mills]

I get the *impression* (very informally) that there is a fair amount of Linux 
on Z out there, but not as much as IBM would like (duh -- but I am thinking of 
something specific that I am not at liberty to post).

At least one very major bank is a big adopter: 
https://share.confex.com/share/122/webprogram/Session14613.html 

Presumably some of the folks that had it in test in 2014 are now in production.

The thing I've been wondering about is the LinuxONE. Anyone have one of those? 
Anyone hear anything?

You're not going to get "real numbers." Those that know don't tell, and all 
that.

Charles

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Subject: zLinux market penetration

I wonder how many of you are using zLinux. In Isrtael only two out of about
15 sites use zLinux, not sure they ar happy with it.

The last document I saw reg. zlinx pen. wat from cheril Wattson (Exploiting
z/OS: Tales From the MVS Survey from 2014) showing only 10% of the responders 
(105) uses zLinux in production and same number does that in test.

What are the real numbers?

Best,
ITschak

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zLinux market penetration

[Itschak Mugzach]

I wonder how many of you are using zLinux. In Isrtael only two out of about
15 sites use zLinux, not sure they ar happy with it.

The last document I saw reg. zlinx pen. wat from cheril Wattson (Exploiting
z/OS: Tales From the MVS Survey from 2014) showing only 10% of the
responders (105) uses zLinux in production and same number does that in
test.

What are the real numbers?

Best,
ITschak

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Re: z/VSE Connector Client

[Jack J. Woehr]

Tony Thigpen wrote:
You need to ask on VSE-L. 


Thanks. I should have inferred there would be such a list, if from no other evidence than Voltaire's comment on the 
existence of the Deity.


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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Jack J. Woehr]

Bill Woodger wrote:

Thresh it out/Thrash it out are very similar.


Probably ðe same word, really. I just was looking for an excuse to use ðe fine old letter "edh" (ð) in an IBM-MAIN 
message. ðe opportunity does not arise every day!



The former would be more like here. Get a lot of information, toss out what is 
indigestible, and hope that the gluten-intolerant keep away from the final 
output. Or is that farming?


In either case, you are out standing in your field.

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Re: z/VSE Connector Client

[Tony Thigpen]

You need to ask on VSE-L.

vs...@lists.lehigh.edu
https://lists.lehigh.edu/mailman/listinfo/vse-l


Tony Thigpen

Jack J. Woehr wrote on 11/04/2016 11:40 PM:

Is there any IBM program or ISV providing free access for z/VSE
development?

This veteran of JTOpen and other remote APIs has just discovered the
existence of the z/VSE Connector Client!



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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Bill Woodger]

Thresh it out/Thrash it out are very similar.

The latter has some connotation of two sides and a more contested debate (more 
to the subjective than the objective).

The former would be more like here. Get a lot of information, toss out what is 
indigestible, and hope that the gluten-intolerant keep away from the final 
output. Or is that farming?

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Jack J. Woehr]

John McKown wrote:
​"throshen"? as in: http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/m/mec/med-idx?type=id=MED45467 ​ That's a word I've never run 
across before. Not many use middle English.

You cite "thresh", but this is "thrash"


Middle English   Old English

Pres.  PastP.P.  Pres.  Pret.s.  Pret. pl.   P.p.

thrash throsh* throshen* ðersce ðearsc   ðurscon ðorscen

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Jack J. Woehr]

John McKown wrote:

​"throshen"?


It's a perfectly cromulent word ...

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Charles Mills]

https://docops.ca.com/home 

I am registered with CA, etc., etc. but I don't think that is necessary. Give 
the above a try. Apologies if I am mistaken and cookies or something like that 
are signing me on.

Charles

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I wish CA (and others, but I need CA mostly) made its user manuals available 
for "whomsoever wills". It would make finding general information about a 
product so much easier. Of course, it would "cut out" the need to get hold of a 
CA representative and register yourself for contact by marketing.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[John McKown]

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Jack J. Woehr  wrote:

> As much thrash as has been
> ​​
> throshen about the IBM Knowledge Center, it's an amazing resource.
>

​"throshen"? as in:
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/m/mec/med-idx?type=id=MED45467​ That's a
word I've never run across before. Not many use middle English. (Thanks,
Google)


>
> All those mountains of documentation at the fingertips of those of us
> who'd usually rather read up on IBM business systems than great world
> literature.
>
> I find myself reading the Knowledge Center for hours every day.
>
> People used to have to pay for this stuff. I paid $10 for the 390 POPS
> once!


> Thanks, IBM.


​Especially thanks for not putting it behind a "paywall" or requiring an
IBM authorized userid to access​. I can even read IBM redbooks via Google
books as well as PDF (or EPUB). Would love all the IBM manuals to be EPUB.

I wish CA (and others, but I need CA mostly) made its user manuals
available for "whomsoever wills". It would make finding general information
about a product so much easier. Of course, it would "cut out" the need to
get hold of a CA representative and register yourself for contact by
marketing.



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