Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

On 14/01/2017 1:09 AM, Frank Swarbrick wrote: Our sysprog group has been hesitant to set up SMB on z/OS before a "prove out" the use of git. So this (the Ant tool) seemed like it could be of use. I'm still pondering all of the options. Thanks! I don't do COBOL but I do use RD/z sometimes

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

> On Jan 13, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Tom Marchant > <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:56:57 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_tape >> About 1974-75, I lived with my dad, manager of a Kroger store. At >> night he

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

More on this later, but the whole "dependencies" and "makefile" process is pretty strange to this COBOL programmer. We pretty much only do dynamic calls, so there is no need to update in any way a calling program when a called program is changed. We simply compile and link the called program

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

FWIW, we use z/OS make to build stuff with c/c++/assembler/java: - as command to invoke HLASM - c++ or c89 commands for c / c++ compiles - c89 for binding (according to the docs, cob2 internally invokes c89 for binding) - various Unix REXX scripts, like one to invoke EDCDSECT - java is compiled

Re: Friday SDB puzzle

7000 > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:40 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Friday SDB puzzle > > Assuming 3390 track geometry. > > If a programmer

Re: What is your oldest member?

We have the set of modules supplied by the old TSO COPY/MERGE/LIST command. They are dated 1976/09/16. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Early 029. Course when I got back to class. Could I please program the 029 to do tabbing and verification for data entry folks? I guess-might have to rip a few drums out of the keypunch lab, but they don't need them. In a message dated 1/13/2017 5:53:21 P.M. Central Standard Time,

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Paper tape was there you just did not see it unless you was an operator. If no where else it was on the printers for channel control. This admittedly was wider than the normal 8 channel tape for many of the newer printers. Tape was used for very small updates (well at least by me) to a

Re: Friday SDB puzzle

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:11:28 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote: >On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:42:55 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: > >>1 more than 1/3 track blocking? Could try 1 more than 1/4, 1/5, 1/6, >>..., track blocking. > >1 more than 1/2 of half track blocking. 14000. Results in BLKSIZE=14000. >Results

Re: [SURVEY] Who's using Java 8

On 1/11/2017 9:17 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote: Curious: Is there something relative to RACF keyrings or TLS 1.2 in Tomcat8 / SDK8 that can't be done with Tomcat 7 and z/OS SDK 7? Tomcat 7 does not properly handle the "safkeyring:///" protocol specification even when java.protocol.handler.pkgs

Re: Memories (was: RE: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 23:44:51 +, Lester, Bob wrote: > Dartmouth? I got into quite a bit of trouble when I got a little > over-familiar with the DTSS system at Dartmouth - one connected to the USMMA > (among others, I think). This was around 1975/6. > > Crashed it once (via acoustic

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

(mostly dumb trivia follows) > Anyone ever play with fanfold paper tape? As far as I know, IBM products "never"* used fanfold paper tape, but rather spools. The 1620 had a big paper tape reader, as did the 1130 and 1800 minicomputers. Interesting, when the System/7 came out, IBM just rebadged

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:23:13 -0500, Randy Hudson wrote: >In article <1b40a37.6eb3673.45aab...@aol.com> Edward Finnell wrote: > >> I started at Southern Bell Co-op student in '66 on a 33ASR writing Basic >> Programs on I think it was a GE635 at one of the Banks in Atlanta. > >BASIC? I think

Memories (was: RE: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Dartmouth? I got into quite a bit of trouble when I got a little over-familiar with the DTSS system at Dartmouth - one connected to the USMMA (among others, I think). This was around 1975/6. Crashed it once (via acoustic modem in the library on-campus). Couldn't believe it happened,

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Ticker Tape is different. No holes. Stock prices printed on it. You know those stock price "crawlers" on TV, at your broker's, and in Times Square? Those are a simulation of ticker tape. Picture that stock crawler printed on paper tape -- that's ticker tape. The printing device was called a

Re: What is your oldest member?

IDENTIFICATION DIVISION. PROGRAM-ID.DAR07A. AUTHOR.RON KING. INSTALLATION. FIRSTBANK HOLDING COMPANY. *DATE-WRITTEN. OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER, 1978. That's the oldest one I know of. I personally was in fourth grade at the time, I believe. From:

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

I suspect you are correct! From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Charles Mills Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 2:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Don't remember the specifics. I was in the engineering department and we were using Basic to calculate analog multiplexor settings. The computer was in Atlanta with an agreement with AT long lines for access via acoustic coupler. That summer went on an ACM tour of UAB cardio unit and they

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

In article <1b40a37.6eb3673.45aab...@aol.com> Edward Finnell wrote: > I started at Southern Bell Co-op student in '66 on a 33ASR writing Basic > Programs on I think it was a GE635 at one of the Banks in Atlanta. BASIC? I think Dartmouth BASIC was created around 1964, but I didn't realize it was

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

I started at Southern Bell Co-op student in '66 on a 33ASR writing Basic Programs on I think it was a GE635 at one of the Banks in Atlanta. There were eight holes but the 4th from left was the sprocket feed. If you put the tape in upside down it would saw it in two.

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

The last modern vestige of screwball characters in names that I know of is in the set of SVCs like IGC0004{ and IGC0004A in LPALIB. The last character in the name corresponds to the SVC number. No problem for 1 - 9, but '0' is represented by x'C0', which is the left brace in EBCDIC. Certainly

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Parades in New York. Called Ticker Tape. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Tom Marchant > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:22 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) > > On

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

BTW: the teletypes were General Electric devices, and the paper tape had 8 holes, not 5. So every row on the tape could hold one 8-bit byte; I don't know what coding it was. The machine had neither ASCII nor EBCDIC; it was another special Telefunken code (Zentralcode). The General Electric

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

I remember using paper tape in high school in the mid-70's. Punch cards in college and my first job. I joined the army in 1981. I was eventually assigned to a signal unit in 1984 and lo and behold I had paper tape again in our radio teletype vans. We transcribed the messages onto the tape

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

The only input to the IBM 610 at the University of Notre Dame in October, 1959, was the standard 5-hole teletype paper tape. Sophomore Year, Fall, 1959. Fiftieth Anniversary of Digital Computing at the University of Notre Dame, 2009: In September, 1959, I was a sophomore at Notre Dame,

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

When I worked as a student at the university of Stuttgart, Germany with the Telefunken TR 440 mainframe, before I had access to the display terminals, I had to use the card punch (IBM 29, IIRC). But there were also some teletypes attached to the machine, which could be used for a time sharing

Re: What is your oldest member?

I found this jcl: 1978/12/15 This for a source: 1977/02/22 Regards, Silvio Camplani zSeries Sr. Analyst, Systems Support Bombardier On Fri, Jan 13, 2017, at 04:44 PM, PINION, RICHARD W. wrote: > Since we are boarding the "way-back machine", what is > the oldest member of any of

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:51:22 -0600, John McKown wrote: > >> I believe BPAM/BLDL/FIND is case-indifferent and that any UPPER CASE >> restriction lies in the compiler. > >Could be. But, if so, then which version do you get it there exists "AA" >"Aa" "aA" and "aa" in the same directory?​ > Well, if

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

I strongly suspect the cob2 compiler is exactly the same executable as the IGYCRCTL compiler, with a little UNIX-y front-end. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 1:25

Re: History of Mainframe Cloud

mike.a.sch...@gmail.com (Mike Schwab) writes: > And the web site is the server and the web page is the application. > > The cloud just reassigns different servers to serve the web page > (application). re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#21 History of Mainframe Cloud

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Anyone ever play with fanfold paper tape? I did, between school and university. I guess you'd call it a gap year job, nowadays. :-) Anyhow, lots of fun to be had with diskette box lids being used to catch the paper tape as it passed through the reader. If it missed the box the stuff arced

Re: BLDL-0 link-list only

There is also the REQUEST=TEST option of the CSVDYNL macro. Regards, Leo -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Roach, Dennis Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: BLDL-0 link-list

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:35:40 +, David W Noon wrote: >On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:21:58 -0600, Tom Marchant >(000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu) wrote about "Paper tape >(was Re: Hidden Figures)" >> Well into the 1970's almost every mainframe shop used

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

For the education of the newbies, I'm going to take paper tape back to the '60s. I was in the Air Force from 1960-1964 as an electronics technician maintaining cryptographic equipment, some of which was used with teletype equipment. Teletypes used a 5-bit code called Baudot code. For those of

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

Wow! It's even more restrictive than I had thought. I tested this out (sorry, I found it hard to believe!) and of course you are correct. "copy library": DVFJS:/u/dvfjs:>ls /u/dvfjs/copy TEST1 TEST3.CPY test2 Compile JCL: //COBUXJOB ,NOTIFY=,REGION=2000M // SET

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:18:02 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >My recollection is that STOW at least and probably BLDL and FIND >are utterly character agnostic. You can create member names with >non-printable characters in them Yes. SMP (not SMP/E) used at least one PDS that was full of them. --

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

> Could be. But, if so, then which version do you get it there exists "AA" > "Aa" "aA" and "aa" in the same directory? I think what is being said is the COBOL uppercases the specification of a COPY member name (not BLDL or FIND). For ordinary PDS(E) members, this qualifies as a favor. You can

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

I was just sayin' My impression of the COBOL compiler is no different than yours. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re:

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc- requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:43:37 -0600, John McKown wrote: > > > >​There is a UNIX command: cob2 which will do a COBOL compile and link. > >Basically this is just a "driver" which, as Gil

Re: BLDL-0 link-list only

Look at the CVT. CVTLINK points to the DCB for link list. Dennis Roach, CISSP, PMP AIG IAM Access Administration – Infrastructure | Identity & Access Management 2929 Allen Parkway, America Building, 3rd Floor | Houston, TX 77019 Phone: 713-831-8799 dennis.ro...@aig.com | www.aig.com

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:21:58 -0600, Tom Marchant (000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu) wrote about "Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)" (in <3742476116017335.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@listserv.ua.edu>): > On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:56:57 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: > >>

Re: Hidden Figures

I used paper tape for programs in High School 74/75, we had access to a PDP-6 or was it a 7, can't remember. Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer 3 UFIT University of Florida (352) 273-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf

BLDL-0 link-list only

A "BLDL 0" macro searches for the specified program in task libraries, JOBLIB, STEPLIB and finally link-list libraries. Is there a way to exclude everything and jump right to the link-list search? I don't want to know if the program is in my STEPLIB.

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Charles Mills wrote: > My recollection is that STOW at least and probably BLDL and FIND are > utterly character agnostic. You can create member names with non-printable > characters in them, for example. As I recall you cannot reference them in

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:36:16 -0600, Paul Gilmartin (000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu) wrote about "Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies" (in <9549369497181383.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>): > In UNIX I believe that's not automatic. The

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Watch the opening scenes from the movie Colossus for a walk down memory lane. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Paper tape (was

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

First time I saw paper tape was in school, Vo-Tech, UNIVAC system in 1974-75, once in the real world starting @ Sears in 1977 never saw paper tape again and not since, lots of cards no paper tape . - Original Message - From: "Tom Marchant"

Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:56:57 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_tape >About 1974-75, I lived with my dad, manager of a Kroger store. At >night he would insert various strips of punch film into a reader to >report the store's daily transactions. Well into the 1970's

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

My recollection is that STOW at least and probably BLDL and FIND are utterly character agnostic. You can create member names with non-printable characters in them, for example. As I recall you cannot reference them in JCL (of course) but ISPF displays them correctly and you can rename or delete

Re: Hidden Figures

We did this in 1976/77 at a manufacturing plant to send the day's production numbers to the main office. The office manager would punch the tape up and then send it on the teletype. Bobby -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf

Re: Friday SDB puzzle

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:42:55 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: >1 more than 1/3 track blocking? Could try 1 more than 1/4, 1/5, 1/6, >..., track blocking. 1 more than 1/2 of half track blocking. 14000. Results in BLKSIZE=14000. Results in 3 records (3 blocks) per track. LRECL=13999 results in

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:43:37 -0600, John McKown wrote: > >​There is a UNIX command: cob2 which will do a COBOL compile and link. >Basically this is just a "driver" which, as Gil indicated, parses the UNIX >command line parameters, does dynamic allocations for DDs needed and then >does (I think) a

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Frank Swarbrick < frank.swarbr...@outlook.com> wrote: > Is cob2 just a shell script or a REXX or something? Or is it an actual > binary? > ​Binary executable. My guess is that the source is in C.​ > > If its a script, can you post it? > > -- There’s no

Re: Hidden Figures

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_tape About 1974-75, I lived with my dad, manager of a Kroger store. At night he would insert various strips of punch film into a reader to report the store's daily transactions. On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Frank Swarbrick

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 19:45:52 +, Frank Swarbrick wrote: >Is cob2 just a shell script or a REXX or something? Or is it an actual binary? > >If its a script, can you post it? > I'd expect that if you have COBOL and you have UNIX you probably have cob2. Otherwise it probably suffers copyright

Re: History of Mainframe Cloud

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 23:32:41 -0700, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > >"A Conversation with Michael Cowlishaw", Dr. Dobb's Journal, March 1, 1996 >http://www.drdobbs.com/a-conversation-with-michael-cowlishaw/184409842 > >"I'm not the first to point it out, but the World Wide Web browsers of

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

Is cob2 just a shell script or a REXX or something? Or is it an actual binary? If its a script, can you post it? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of John McKown Sent: Friday, January 13,

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Paul Gilmartin < 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 19:18:53 +, Vince Coen wrote: > > >Under *nix you set an environment variable in the bash (or what ever one > you use) script > >This points to the directory path

Re: Friday SDB puzzle

1 more than 1/3 track blocking? Could try 1 more than 1/4, 1/5, 1/6, ..., track blocking. A small lrecl would get you the highest multiple under 1/2 track. Smallest utilization might be 1 more than 1/2 track blocking. On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Paul Gilmartin

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

There is. The 'cob2' command. It has never been set up here, as we've never had a need for it. Perhaps I will ask. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Vince Coen Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:18 PM

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

That is a good thought. I will investigate. Thanks! From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: History of Mainframe Cloud

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 12:32 AM, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > Lizette Koehler wrote: >> [deleted] > > "I'm not the first to point it out, but the World Wide Web browsers of today > are effectively dumb terminals" > > - Michael Cowlishaw > And the web site is the server and the web page

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 19:18:53 +, Vince Coen wrote: >Under *nix you set an environment variable in the bash (or what ever one you >use) script >This points to the directory path containing the copy libs and that >directory path is mapped to the syslib you need. > >I am not an expert on z/OS

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

Under *nix you set an environment variable in the bash (or what ever one you use) script This points to the directory path containing the copy libs and that directory path is mapped to the syslib you need. I am not an expert on z/OS but assuming you can do the last then the rest is easy. I

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:01:41 +, Frank Swarbrick wrote: > >The compiler then looks at the SYSLIB concatenation for a member named MYRECF. > A "PATH" can be part of the SYSLIB concatenation. However it doesn't appear >that there is any option for COBOL to look for a member (or file in the

Re: Hidden Figures

There was a recent episode of the new TV series "Timeless" that involved this era, and in fact had the Katherine G. Johnson "character". In this show she and the main characters fairly easily got themselves access to the computer room and "fed

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

Good stuff to think about. Thank you. That does bring up a question... Can you make something similar to "suffix rules" but at a directory level? For example, can you say "this directory contains only source code" (so that the correct text translation is done)? The reason I ask is that

Re: Smart enough (was Re: SDB and Program Object Library)

I'm totally on board with Tom Marchant's position. It's why I've presented at so many SHARE sessions over the years. Our profession is uplifted by spreading knowledge and sharing experience. OTOH I can think of a few cases where a little less cleverness early on might have ameliorated some

Friday SDB puzzle

Assuming 3390 track geometry. If a programmer codes RECFM=FB,BLKSIZE=0,LRECL=? For what value of LRECL does SDB select the smallest BLKSIZE? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email

SuperC and Program Objects

I was pleasantly surprised to learn that SuperC can compare program objects. How does it do that? Does it use the Program Management API? And I learned long ago that it accepts UNIX files as OLD and NEW, but, ironically, not DELTA. -- gil

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 17:03:55 +, Frank Swarbrick wrote: > >Being COBOL we don't (currently) run our compiles under Unix. Any thoughts >about if/how this process might interface with 'traditional' z/OS things like >ISPF and JCL? > Depends. I have a Rexx EXEC that runs under z/OS UNIX using

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

Our sysprog group has been hesitant to set up SMB on z/OS before a "prove out" the use of git. So this (the Ant tool) seemed like it could be of use. I'm still pondering all of the options. Thanks! I used the Git z/OS beta as well and it is quite wonderful. The only problem with using Git

Re: New free / open source z/OS tools from Dovetailed Technologies

Do we need the an server task (sshd?) running? I don't have sysprog access to may not be able to 'just test this out', but we'll see. Being COBOL we don't (currently) run our compiles under Unix. Any thoughts about if/how this process might interface with 'traditional' z/OS things like ISPF

Hidden Figures

It's interesting to note that this mailing list indirectly contributed to the movie. The directors contacted several people on this list whose experience goes back to the days when 7090s walked the earth, and we were able to correct a number of issues about what would have been possible or

Re: Smart enough (was Re: SDB and Program Object Library)

Personally I prefer that if they can read it in a manual or on the internet, I should help them, if asked, with how that works in my environment. Sometimes users have artificial constraints, Security, Resources, etc... that might make using a "feature" a challenge. If I can provide mentoring

Re: Smart enough (was Re: SDB and Program Object Library)

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 < peter.far...@broadridge.com> wrote: > Thanks Tom. Totally agree. "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a > day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. (Maimonides)" > ​I prefer the variant: "Give a man a fish and you feed

Re: Smart enough (was Re: SDB and Program Object Library)

Thanks Tom. Totally agree. "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. (Maimonides)" Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Friday, January

Re: strange JES2 purge queue issue

ah ! that's the key, thanks so much Lucas $TS(2418),S=-IND $HASP890 JOB(CCITCP) 788 $HASP890 JOB(CCITCP) STATUS=(AWAITING PURGE),CLASS=STC, $HASP890 PRIORITY=1,SYSAFF=(ANY),HOLD=(NONE) $HASP250 CCITCP PURGED -- (JOB KEY WAS D1BEA56E) made my day ! carmen - Original Message -

Re: strange JES2 purge queue issue

I think the key here is the SYSAFF=(IND,ANY)... Try to take INDependent off before purging, with $TJQx,SYSAFF=(-IND) --- *Lucas Rosalen* Emails: rosalen.lu...@gmail.com

Re: strange JES2 purge queue issue

all the DESTID's defined and all my print to these destinations are working as designed. the strange awaiting purge issue I found all the sysout was from my initial failed attempt to bring these systems into a MAS back in December, job display shows $DS1883,LONG $HASP006 $DS1883,LONG

Re: Smart enough (was Re: SDB and Program Object Library)

Tom Marchant wrote: >This is one of my pet peeves, so I'll extend your rant a bit. >Ever since I started in this business, people have warned me that certain >people aren't smart enough to understand, and that giving them too much >information will cause problems. As an application programmer,

Re: Smart enough (was Re: SDB and Program Object Library)

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 8:15 AM, Tom Marchant < 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:41:58 -0500, Farley, Peter wrote: > > > My unfortunate experience has been that ordinary users > >are not considered smart enough to see or understand what > >storage

Smart enough (was Re: SDB and Program Object Library)

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:41:58 -0500, Farley, Peter wrote: > My unfortunate experience has been that ordinary users >are not considered smart enough to see or understand what >storage admins do. This is one of my pet peeves, so I'll extend your rant a bit. Ever since I started in this

Re: strange JES2 purge queue issue

:) yep first thing I thought of - no good I think my fellow team members may have shed some light, these jobs originally ran on SYSA, now run on SYSC, well I don't have the Jobclasses and destid's defined on that system, so I'm thinking this is causing both issues, I'm thinking if the DESTID

Re: Load Module Trace, anyone?

Thank you all. I used Elardus' "RALTER PROGRAM (**) AUDIT(ALL(READ))" suggestion in the end. The potential for an SMF flood was not a consideration - the system involved is very definitely a sandbox & the more monitor data we can get, the better. Collected the SMF data, then used IFASMFDP with

Re: strange JES2 purge queue issue

Try releasing the jobs $AJn -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 7:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: strange JES2 purge queue issue I've just completed the

strange JES2 purge queue issue

I've just completed the merging of 2 systems into a JES2MAS, we're z/OS 2.1 RSU1508 on both systems, thanks to all the fine folks here the process to get these systems into a MAS was sucesfully, the only issue I had was with one CA-SPOOL print destination, for some reason the output status on

Re: Load Module Trace, anyone?

SMF type 42-6? One on the SMF 42's I believe carries this information. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Sean Gleann Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Load Module Trace, anyone?

Re: Load Module Trace, anyone?

I think that's been repacked as Tivoli Asset Manager. Mark Jacobs Lizette Koehler January 13, 2017 at 8:02 AM There is or used to be a product called SoftAudit by Isogon. I think IBM acquired it. It is able to provide module auditing functions. SoftAudit for

Re: Load Module Trace, anyone?

There is or used to be a product called SoftAudit by Isogon. I think IBM acquired it. It is able to provide module auditing functions. SoftAudit for z/OS® identifies installed software products and their usage patterns in the mainframe environment. Leading Global 2000 companies and IT

Re: Load Module Trace, anyone?

This might not help you with your problem, but: at a site where I was working for years, all dynamic loads or calls (all languages, that is, PL/1, ASSEMBLER, anc C) were done thru a site specific interface module, which ended up in a LOAD SVC, of course. On first call (that is, on LOAD), the

Re: Who's using Java 8

On 13/01/2017 5:21 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote: David Crayford asked: Are CICS customers allowed to run WLP outside of CICS? I'm not sure, but does it matter? If desired, Liberty can be in a completely separate, standalone CICS region. As it happens, Liberty within CICS supports CICS transaction

Re: any user of client web enablement toolkit here?

Thanks. I am aware of that. But it shiped as enabling ptf and i cant assure every client has it. I is limited to 2.2 as welk. Best. ITschak בתאריך 13 בינו 2017 11:35,‏ "Timothy Sipples" כתב: > Itschak, FYI, the z/OS Client Web Enablement Toolkit has REXX HTTP/HTTPS >

Re: Load Module Trace, anyone?

Sean Gleann wrote: >Can anyone offer advice on how to report on load modules held in a specific >PDS (or PDS(E) - I'm not fussy) being loaded by specific batch jobs, please? From LLA or from JOBLIB/STEPLIB? Ask Peter Relson at IBM for Module Fetch Monitor. (if that is still supported.)

Re: Load Module Trace, anyone?

We do this b.m.o LLA. We bring the library to be watched under LLA control (explicitly or put in LNKLST) and use LLA EXIT1 to check LOADs from the library and report each LOAD in an SMF record. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

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Re: any user of client web enablement toolkit here?

Itschak, FYI, the z/OS Client Web Enablement Toolkit has REXX HTTP/HTTPS protocol support (and JSON support) already. Those REXX programming interfaces are documented in the Knowledge Center. Here's one possible entry point to that documentation:

Load Module Trace, anyone?

Can anyone offer advice on how to report on load modules held in a specific PDS (or PDS(E) - I'm not fussy) being loaded by specific batch jobs, please? I've tried looking at SMF type 14 - but that only shows the load library being opened - nothing about modules. I've tried using RACF event

Re: Who's using Java 8

David Crayford asked: >Are CICS customers allowed to run WLP outside of CICS? I'm not sure, but does it matter? If desired, Liberty can be in a completely separate, standalone CICS region. As it happens, Liberty within CICS supports CICS transaction and resource security, and that's quite