AW: Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017

2017-04-26 Thread Peter Hunkeler
>Unfortunately, this is now working-as-designed as announced in an RFA and at >Share. Unfortunately, this is nowhere near what users need. Decision makers are not users, so what can you expect :-(( I like to have the PDFs, and I like to have them organized in subdirectories named after

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Mike Schwab
IBM defined USS as Unformated Screen Services as an official acronym. They have and will changed any use for Unix to Unix System Services. On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: > Was 'USS file' never officially blessed for this purpose? Seems like a >

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 22:29:51 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: >> >> I would think people would be smart enough to say "well it worked with >> PDSE's, it will probably work with the new PDSX's" just as how when I read >> "specify the name of an HFS file" I know that a zFS file will probably work >> as

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 22:04:18 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: > >> SVC 99, I'd be less certain [that allocation of a socket to a DDNAME is >> unsupported]: >> o A socket can have a descriptor. >> o DYNALLOC can allocate to PATH('/dev/fd/'descriptor). I've done this >> with unnamed pipes created

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Tony Harminc
On 26 April 2017 at 19:35, Charles Mills wrote: > I mean, doesn't everything in vendor documentation have the same problem? > If I say "specify the name of a PDS(E) member" isn't there a risk that IBM > comes out someday with PDSX? Even so, I think the quote is clearer than if

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Tony Harminc
On 26 April 2017 at 21:15, Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc- requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >Not explicitly. But I can't imagine a product the customer knows is going > >to run as a z/OS started task with significant performance requirements is > >going to decide to put a

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread John McKown
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Charles Mills wrote: > Hmmm. Interesting. Not sure I agree, but I see your logic. > > I mean, doesn't everything in vendor documentation have the same problem? > If I say "specify the name of a PDS(E) member" isn't there a risk that IBM > comes

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 20:53:14 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: > >> Is that intended to exclude NFS files (and possibly others) which >> don't support zFS extended attributes? (Don't know about TFS.) > >Not explicitly. But I can't imagine a product the customer knows is going >to run as a z/OS started

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread Tony Harminc
On 26 April 2017 at 19:27, Charles Mills wrote: > As someone who has written a fair number of C++-callable z/OS assembler > routines I can assure you that even though it is call-by-value, the > callee's entry R1 points to a list of addresses. Here is working code in > assembler

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Tony Harminc
On 26 April 2017 at 20:27, Paul Gilmartin < 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > But what happens when "z/OS" goes the way of "OS/390" and "MVS 5.2"? > Yeah, that happens too. But it's a pretty easy context-free change to make, and of course we've had to do it. Not that

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 19:01:12 -0500, Walt Farrell wrote: > >First, zFS is but one kind of file system that can contain UNIX files. Before >it we had HFS file systems, and we still (I think) have TFS file systems. They >all contain UNIX files, or possibly z/OS UNIX files if you must. > But what

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Walt Farrell
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 09:32:35 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >In our documentation we say datasets or legacy MVS datasets; and files or zFS >files. > "zFS files" is, in my opinion, incorrect terminology and risks confusion. First, zFS is but one kind of file system that can

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
Was 'USS file' never officially blessed for this purpose? Seems like a natural solution forever. Worst case 'OMVS file' should work. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐===

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Charles Mills
Hmmm. Interesting. Not sure I agree, but I see your logic. I mean, doesn't everything in vendor documentation have the same problem? If I say "specify the name of a PDS(E) member" isn't there a risk that IBM comes out someday with PDSX? Even so, I think the quote is clearer than if we wrote

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread Charles Mills
As someone who has written a fair number of C++-callable z/OS assembler routines I can assure you that even though it is call-by-value, the callee's entry R1 points to a list of addresses. Here is working code in assembler that picks up an integer (R10 is the entry R1 and PARM2 EQU 4).

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Tony Harminc
On 26 April 2017 at 12:35, Charles Mills wrote: > It matters in documentation. If we were to document the FOO parameter as > "specify the name of a file" that would leave you wondering what we meant, > unless other context made it clear. We say "specify the name of an MVS >

Re: Legacy product

2017-04-26 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
When we went to z/OS 1.8, CSP compiles broke. That was long after IBM could help as the last of the CSP developers had since vanished in the Gulag. Since it was a z/OS problem rather than compiler (which had not changed), we STEPLIBed at compile time back the 1.7 LE library, and CSP compiles

Re: Legacy product

2017-04-26 Thread Clark Morris
[Default] On 26 Apr 2017 11:13:38 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main jesse1.robin...@sce.com (Jesse 1 Robinson) wrote: >FWIT in the absence of any other reply. We still run CSP but on z/OS. Not sure >of the release; I believe it's the last one IBM shipped. It still limps along >with provisos. > I

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
Well, from a technical point of view, languages like PL/1 (and Fortran, for example), which in their classical form only supported call by reference, put only addresses in the reg 1 addressed so-called parameter (address) list. (reg 1 points at the start of a list of parameter addresses, so

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 15:02:07 -0400, Steve Smith wrote: >I don't understand IBM's insistence on "data set", which is a generic >phrase equivalent to "set of data". "Dataset" has been in use for decades >to mean a collection of records organized in particular ways and stored on >a computer system,

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Phil Smith
Steve Smith wrote: >I don't understand IBM's insistence on "data set", which is a generic >phrase equivalent to "set of data". "Dataset" has been in use for decades >to mean a collection of records organized in particular ways and stored on >a computer system, particularly on our architecture. I

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Java is now "legacy" as well. It's over 20 years old, after all! From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 10:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject:

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
I occasionally hear 'data set' being used in the context mentioned. In no way equivalent to 'file'. I have to do a reverse translation that is distracting if not disabling. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Steve Smith
I don't understand IBM's insistence on "data set", which is a generic phrase equivalent to "set of data". "Dataset" has been in use for decades to mean a collection of records organized in particular ways and stored on a computer system, particularly on our architecture. Anyway, that's my

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
Slight drift, but it reminded me of my college days. For whatever reason, I got it in my head that language, as in computer, was spelled lanquage (that's a "q"). In a English technical writing class I wrote a short paper discussing various computer languages. I used the incorrect spelling

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Longabaugh, Robert E
It is two words at CA as well. Bob Longabaugh CA Technologies Storage Management -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Phil Smith Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 1:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re:

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
jesse1.robin...@sce.com (Jesse 1 Robinson) writes: > I have a rather jaundiced view. Every time the word 'legacy' rings, an > angel in heaven is entitled to use the word 'weenie-ware' one more > time. > > Since the term 'data set' (is it one or two words?) is pretty much > confined to mainframe,

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread John McKown
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht < elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> wrote: > David W Noon wrote: > > >You should not be passing a pointer (); everything is passed by value. > > Not many programmers are getting that right. Just that is making debugging > extremely painfully

Re: Legacy product

2017-04-26 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
FWIT in the absence of any other reply. We still run CSP but on z/OS. Not sure of the release; I believe it's the last one IBM shipped. It still limps along with provisos. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Phil Smith
Skip wrote: > Since the term 'data set' (is it one or two words?) is pretty much confined > to mainframe... Since you asked: IBM created the term, and in IBM-land it's two words. I have an autocorrect set so I don't think about it most of the time.

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread Thomas David Rivers
Charles Mills wrote: I'd like to format fixed point decimal (packed, in other words) numbers in a common subroutine that would be passed the precision and scaling. Can printf() and friends take '*' and then a passed integer for its (n,p) values - analogous to the way printf() width and

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread Charles Mills
I know all that. @DavidNoon said I had to pass the decimal data by value. I was wondering aloud how the compiler would do that. Never mind in some hack -- how it does it normally. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread Charles Mills
> A reinterpret_cast will only result in another pointer That's why I de-referenced it, *reinterpret_cast. I do it all the time. Short foo = *reinterpret_cast(some_char_array) results in loading the first two bytes of the array as a 16-bit integer. > Do you know the size and scaling factor of

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread Charles Mills
The IBM examples specifically show printf of D(*,*) -- see the link that someone provided earlier, or the P/G. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas David Rivers Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 10:15 AM To:

Re: How to pull webpage into batch job

2017-04-26 Thread Barkow, Eileen
Here is a little java program I modified from a sample. It reads each line of a web page and displays it, so you can modify the pgm to save the data to a file. I had to use a proxy to get to the web pages from Windows but your z/os system may not require it if you accessing a intranet web page.

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread Thomas David Rivers
Charles Mills wrote: I wonder how C passes a potentially 16-byte string by value. Not sure what you mean by that question... a C string constant is an array of characters; otherwise a C 'string' is typically a pointer to a character or a declared array of characters. When you pass an

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread David W Noon
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 10:01:06 -0700, Charles Mills (charl...@mcn.org) wrote about "Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?" (in <0dc501d2beae$b2613e30$1723ba90$@mcn.org>): > I don't seem to be able to declare a D variable in C++. > > I am coding the parameter to printf() as > >

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Tony Harminc
On 26 April 2017 at 13:06, J R wrote: When I first heard the term "dataset",it meant "modem". > By the same token, for many years "file" meant "disk drive" to CEs and pretty much anyone around the data centre who wasn't a programmer. Tony H.

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread Thomas David Rivers
Charles Mills wrote: I don't seem to be able to declare a D variable in C++. Nope - _Decimal types are not support in C++ (it would mess up the type hiearchy too much which gets into name mangling issues, etc...) So - you can only declare _Decimal values in C. Systems/C doesn't support

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread David W Noon
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 09:30:50 -0700, Charles Mills (charl...@mcn.org) wrote about "Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?" (in <0db001d2beaa$78b3c210$6a1b4630$@mcn.org>): > Thanks. I will take your suggestions to heart and give them a try but the > fact that the %D is printing as a D leads me to

Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017

2017-04-26 Thread Gibney, Dave
Why is it that about every other year, IBM deliberately makes the documentation harder to use? Bring back Bookmanager. Softcopy Librarian is great! > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Kevin Minerley > Sent:

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread J R
When I first heard the term "dataset", it meant "modem". Sent from my iPhone -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread Charles Mills
I don't seem to be able to declare a D variable in C++. I am coding the parameter to printf() as *reinterpret_cast(value) where value is declared as char[1] and contains (variable length, passed to me as a parameter) the fixed point decimal data. The compiler is giving me line

Re: Set up SHCDS datasets in RLS enviroment

2017-04-26 Thread Lizette Koehler
See if you can find details on www.ibm.com User search string shcds rls catalog Lizette > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Jorge Garcia > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 9:13 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 08:55:33 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: > >I do not use legacy in any discussion. Tends to make readers think the >Mainframe is Dead. ;-D > No. Our system of government is the legacy of the Founding Fathers. General Relativity is the legacy of Albert Einstein. It's hardly

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread David W Noon
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 11:09:19 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht (elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za) wrote about "Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?" (in <7516686188585950.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu>): > David W Noon wrote: > >> You should not be passing a pointer (); everything is

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Charles Mills
It matters in documentation. If we were to document the FOO parameter as "specify the name of a file" that would leave you wondering what we meant, unless other context made it clear. We say "specify the name of an MVS dataset" or "specify the name of a zFS file" or some combination thereof.

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 08:55:33 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: >One way I look at them > >Unix Files that live in MVS zFS or HFS datasets are Unix Files > >Everything else not UNIX is a dataset on z/OS. Though file is used >interchangeably for MVS dataset. > Some components of z/OS use "file" (not

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Charles Mills
In our documentation we say datasets or legacy MVS datasets; and files or zFS files. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 8:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject:

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread Charles Mills
David - Thanks. I will take your suggestions to heart and give them a try but the fact that the %D is printing as a D leads me to think that printf() is not recognizing the %D at all. > I'm not sure what "limited to C" means in a C++ context. > After all, C is largely a subset of C++, albeit

Re: How to pull webpage into batch job

2017-04-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 08:18:31 -0500, John McKown wrote: >On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 7:55 AM, Bill Ashton wrote: >> >> I have some internal webpages (built from multiple systems) that contain >> particular information that I want to capture in a batch job, and then I >> will combine that with other

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread John McKown
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: > I have a rather jaundiced view. Every time the word 'legacy' rings, an > angel in heaven is entitled to use the word 'weenie-ware' one more time. > > Since the term 'data set' (is it one or two words?) is pretty

Re: Set up SHCDS datasets in RLS enviroment

2017-04-26 Thread Jorge Garcia
Thanks Lizette and Joshua, Is there any Redbook, Share presentation or White paper about implementing RLS catalogs and set up RLS configuration?. We're working with DFSMSdftp storage administration and the Redbook a practical guide ICF catalogs, but we're looking some specific documentation

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
I have a rather jaundiced view. Every time the word 'legacy' rings, an angel in heaven is entitled to use the word 'weenie-ware' one more time. Since the term 'data set' (is it one or two words?) is pretty much confined to mainframe, 'file' is useful for communicating to the unwashed masses.

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
David W Noon wrote: >You should not be passing a pointer (); everything is passed by value. Not many programmers are getting that right. Just that is making debugging extremely painfully difficult. I am just curious - Are there any compiler option(s) to help you to avoid that specific error?

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Gerhard Adam
I think that it's often a lot of fuss for nothing. I don't believe anyone is confused if I refer to a VSAM file, or a UNIX file, or a UNIX directory, or a PDS. Invariably we qualify what we are talking about when we have to be specific. Beyond that, I don't see it as particularly relevant.

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Gerhard Adam
Typically a "dataset" is MVS - z/OS, while a "file" is UNIX. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Porowski, Kenneth Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 8:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Terminology - Datasets >From

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Lizette Koehler
One way I look at them Unix Files that live in MVS zFS or HFS datasets are Unix Files Everything else not UNIX is a dataset on z/OS. Though file is used interchangeably for MVS dataset. So if FILE does not have UNIX File in the discussion, then I think of it as an MVS dataset or MVS File.

Re: How to pull webpage into batch job

2017-04-26 Thread Dale R. Smith
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 08:55:29 -0400, Bill Ashton wrote: >Hello again! I would like to know what you all are using to access web >pages in batch JCL. > >I have some internal webpages (built from multiple systems) that contain >particular information that I want to capture

Re: Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread John McKown
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Porowski, Kenneth wrote: > From a z/OS - Mainframe perspective > > You have the UNIX filesystem with various types of files in it. > > You have the "classic" Mainframe datasets (sequential, PDS, VSAM, etc.) > > To differentiate the

Re: Adventures in JCL: PROCs, symbols and instream data

2017-04-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 05:07:39 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >Move the EXPORT outside of the PROC and into the open JOB? > Is a SET within a PROC elaborated when the PROC is defined or when it is executed? What is the scope of a symbol SET within a PROC? Is an EXPORT within a PROC elaborated when

Re: IXGLOGR internal function

2017-04-26 Thread Leonardo Vaz
I imagine some products have their own way for you to fetch the data from the logstream, for OPERLOG for example you can use SDSF, RRS has an ISPF panel, etc.. If you are just interested in reading the data you can probably use SUBSYS=(LOGR,IFBSEXIT) on a JCL DD card instead of coding your own

Re: How to pull webpage into batch job

2017-04-26 Thread John McKown
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Rob Schramm wrote: > Isn't this a job for cURL? > ​Definitely, as shown in the REXX example. But cURL​ may not be installed. It is part of the optional "ported" UNIX utilities. Which, I am fairly sure, is now distributed (and requires

Terminology - Datasets

2017-04-26 Thread Porowski, Kenneth
From a z/OS - Mainframe perspective You have the UNIX filesystem with various types of files in it. You have the "classic" Mainframe datasets (sequential, PDS, VSAM, etc.) To differentiate the "classic" datasets from the UNIX filesystem/files what is the correct/preferred terminology for the

Re: IXGLOGR internal function

2017-04-26 Thread Nathan Astle
Thank you so much. I will go through it. Just curious if IXGLOGR is the only way to fetch the data for some.of the products or there any other way ? On Apr 26, 2017 8:36 PM, "Leonardo Vaz" wrote: > Hello Nathan! > > It's through the macros IXGCONN, IXGBRWSE, IXGDELET or

Re: How to pull webpage into batch job

2017-04-26 Thread Rob Schramm
Isn't this a job for cURL? Rob Schramm On Wed, Apr 26, 2017, 9:18 AM John McKown wrote: > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 7:55 AM, Bill Ashton > wrote: > > > Hello again! I would like to know what you all are using to access web > > pages in batch

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread David W Noon
On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 16:07:38 -0700, Charles Mills (charl...@mcn.org) wrote about "Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?" (in <0c5901d2be18$bc7c4900$3574db00$@mcn.org>): [snip] > But I consistently get 'D(*,*' for output. Here is my exact format: > "%*.*D(*,*)" and I am calling it with 20, 5,

Re: IXGLOGR internal function

2017-04-26 Thread Leonardo Vaz
Hello Nathan! It's through the macros IXGCONN, IXGBRWSE, IXGDELET or IXGWRITE. IBM's Authorized assembler guide is pretty clear on how to use them. Regards, Leo -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Nathan Astle Sent:

Re: Adventures in JCL: PROCs, symbols and instream data

2017-04-26 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 07:40:47 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: >So to help me understand your term Nested Proc > >I think of a nested proc as a proc calling a proc. Yes, that is what he has. PROC TEST includes EXEC INNER >Next, I agree with @Charles. Move the EXPORT and SET statements >outside of

Re: Vendor Licensing Frustrations

2017-04-26 Thread van der Grijn, Bart (B)
Be careful what you assume to be fact. Unless you own the machine you will recover to, your DR contract likely doesn't guarantee that you will recover to machine x. DR suppliers typically share machines among customers. If another customer declared before you did you might be bumped to another

Re: Adventures in JCL: PROCs, symbols and instream data

2017-04-26 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 15:14:27 +1000, Andrew Rowley wrote: >I am trying to create some JCL procedures using symbols in instream >data, with the ability to override the symbol using standard procedure >calling conventions. This sounds similar to a problem that I had a while back. Do you have

Re: Adventures in JCL: PROCs, symbols and instream data

2017-04-26 Thread Lizette Koehler
So to help me understand your term Nested Proc I think of a nested proc as a proc calling a proc. When you have an individual proc executed multiple times, I do not consider that nested. Next, I agree with @Charles. Move the EXPORT and SET statements outside of the proc. Note: When using

Re: Legacy product

2017-04-26 Thread Lizette Koehler
Since you ask about CICS, you may wish to post to the CICS List. It may be helpful To join if you have not done so go to this URL CICShttp://www.listserv.uga.edu/archives/cics-l.html Lizette > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Differences Between SMF64NUP and SMF64DUP

2017-04-26 Thread David Betten
As I understand it, NUP is the change since the data set was created where as DUP is the change since open. I've always used DEP, DRE, DIN, DDE and DUP to determine activity by a specific job step. As an fyi, the type 42-6 records have a fairly new field which is the read I/O count, so you can

Re: Set up SHCDS datasets in RLS enviroment

2017-04-26 Thread Lizette Koehler
For the PLEX - one SHCDS dataset group. I do not think this could be shared across Plexes, but Shared within a Plex. There are usually 3 - Primary, Secondary and Backup The names of the datasets need to follow IBM's naming convention. So the VOLSER the SHCDS is allocated, must be in the name.

Re: program-name is unresolved/uncallable

2017-04-26 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:35:20 +0100, David W Noon wrote: >On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:12:20 -0500, Tom Marchant >(000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu) wrote about "Re: >program-name is unresolved/uncallable" (in ><7268174283864055.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@listserv.ua.edu>): > >> On Tue, 25

Re: Differences Between SMF64NUP and SMF64DUP

2017-04-26 Thread James Chambers
Hi, It is running against all the SMF records, the only ones in the output are 42 sub type 6, 64 and 66 record types. Thanks James -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: Differences Between SMF64NUP and SMF64DUP

2017-04-26 Thread Lizette Koehler
Have you tried running DAF against all of the 60's? (60-69) I will rarely be selective on DAF and SMF Subtypes. I run it against the complete SMF Type then using something like SAS, REXX or other process to find all UPDT records. Lizette > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe

Re: JZOS Java CLASSPATH

2017-04-26 Thread Denis
Hi Andrew, I have been working with Java since Java 1.1. So it seams wildcard work since JDK 6. However *.jar does not work, you need to use dir1/* to get what you wanted with dir1/*.jar. In addition it will not search in subdirectories, so you have to specify every subdirectory. I have not

Differences Between SMF64NUP and SMF64DUP

2017-04-26 Thread James
Hi, I am trying to identify using DAF(Dataset Audit facility) all jobs that updated certain vsam datasets. I was using records SMF64DDE, SMF64DIN and SMF64DUP to get the list, this showed all the nightly batch jobs that we know are doing the updates using cobol and assembler programs. It did

Re: How to pull webpage into batch job

2017-04-26 Thread John McKown
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 7:55 AM, Bill Ashton wrote: > Hello again! I would like to know what you all are using to access web > pages in batch JCL. > > I have some internal webpages (built from multiple systems) that contain > particular information that I want to capture

How to pull webpage into batch job

2017-04-26 Thread Bill Ashton
Hello again! I would like to know what you all are using to access web pages in batch JCL. I have some internal webpages (built from multiple systems) that contain particular information that I want to capture in a batch job, and then I will combine that with other data from other mainframe

Re: JZOS Java CLASSPATH

2017-04-26 Thread Allan Staller
Maybe the IBM JVM is different to the Oracle one? I tried to find IBM documentation, but it is not so explicit. No it is not! Oracle has a lab in France that is in charge of the porting process. IBM merely repackages what Oracle provides from the porting lab into PTFs. ::DISCLAIMER::

Re: JZOS Java CLASSPATH

2017-04-26 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 26/04/2017 09:19 PM, Denis wrote: Hi Andrew, your understanding is not correct. Wildcards do not and have never worked with CLASSPATH. I was reading: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/tools/windows/classpath.html "Understanding class path wildcards" I thought it was

Re: Adventures in JCL: PROCs, symbols and instream data

2017-04-26 Thread Charles Mills
Move the EXPORT outside of the PROC and into the open JOB? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Rowley Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 10:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Adventures in JCL: PROCs,

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread Charles Mills
No, the missing paren is my typo. But in any event C/C++ printf() does not work that way. But thanks. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 2:57 AM To:

Re: Set up SHCDS datasets in RLS enviroment

2017-04-26 Thread Jousma, David
AFAIK, There is one set per sysplex, just like all the other CF control datasets. We've been setup that for 10 years, and no problems. Now, you can define separate sets of RLS buffers in the CF to separate Catalogs, from application VSAM datasets.

Re: JZOS Java CLASSPATH

2017-04-26 Thread Michael Klaeschen
Composing the classpath via for loop in STDENV DD is a script run by /bin/sh and therefore the term "${APP_HOME}"/*.jar is implicitly evaluated to the correct file names by the shell. In contrast, just giving the classpath as a variable value does not evaluate to the files referenced by "*". It

Re: Vendor Licensing Frustrations

2017-04-26 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
You are right. That was what one vendor's emergency keys were for, they could be activated on any DR CPU, albeit for a limited period iirc. Kees. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Mike Schwab > Sent: 26 April,

Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017

2017-04-26 Thread Kevin Minerley
Unfortunately, this is now working-as-designed as announced in an RFA and at Share. sk4t-4949 (the CKIT or collection kit) was sunset in 4Q16 for z/OS and the individual PKITs for z/OS will be sunset in 3Q17. If you want PDFs, your best replacement is: sc27-8430 which is an Adobe Indexed

Re: JZOS Java CLASSPATH

2017-04-26 Thread Denis
Hi Andrew, your understanding is not correct. Wildcards do not and have never worked with CLASSPATH. Hope it helps. Denis. -Original Message- From: Andrew Rowley To: IBM-MAIN Sent: Wed, Apr 26, 2017 1:04 pm Subject: JZOS

JZOS Java CLASSPATH

2017-04-26 Thread Andrew Rowley
The JCL supplied with the JZOS batch launcher has a section to add jars to the classpath: # Add Application required jars to end of CLASSPATH for i in "${APP_HOME}"/*.jar; do CLASSPATH="$CLASSPATH":"$i" done My understanding is you should be able to use a wildcard instead and the JVM

Set up SHCDS datasets in RLS enviroment

2017-04-26 Thread Jorge Garcia
Hi all, We're going to set up RSV enviroment in our test sysplex to migrate to RLS catalogs. We need to define SHCDS SMS datasets and we have some questions. This is our actual test sysplex enviroment. Paralel syplex 1 CF 2 systems 2 master cat 2 RACF 2 DFSMS enviroment Our questions are:

Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017

2017-04-26 Thread Robert S. Hansel (RSH)
Greetings all, In the past, the SK4T-4949 online library could be downloaded as a single zip file with manuals for all the z/OS components in one set. Not so with this newest release -13. It appears you now have to download the manuals for each and every component individually. This is horribly

Re: Vendor Licensing Frustrations

2017-04-26 Thread Mike Schwab
If you know the DR center's CPU ids or can use z/VM to reuse your licensed IDs, you are OK. If you are going to a vendor's site and don't know the CPU ids and can't use z/VM or the product uses the real CPU id instead of the z/VM CPU id you can be in trouble. On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:22 AM,

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread Mike Schwab
Since it is the last character that is blanked, does it need a trailing space for a trailing sign? On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Charles Mills wrote: > Hmmm. Thanks. Link certainly seems relevant. (Interesting -- the page that > opens is some weird VM-z/OS hybrid: z/VM z/VM

Re: Vendor Licensing Frustrations

2017-04-26 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
During a DR test you test your DR scenario, so the test must work exactly like the real one. When we had this DR scenario/configuration, we always had working keys or emergency keys for the DR site. Kees. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Vendor Licensing Frustrations

2017-04-26 Thread Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services)
Classification: Public If you DON'T have the keys for DR, then it makes a mockery of any DR capability you think you have. In a real DR situation, you can't plan, you need it all working there and then. Andy Styles z/Series Systems Programmer -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Vendor Licensing Frustrations

2017-04-26 Thread Dan Little
Ideally I would like to have keys for DR on an ongoing basis to avoid the delays that Lionel mentions. Dan > On Apr 26, 2017, at 05:30, Timothy Sipples wrote: > > Lionel Dyck wrote: >> I've been working on DR planning for one of our locations and out >> of 15 non-IBM

Legacy product

2017-04-26 Thread W Mainframe
Guys, Anyone is still running old CSP 3.3 workload in CICS/VSE? Thank youDan Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the

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