define a service class in wlm by batch

[Jason Cai]

Hi all 

Could we define a service class in WLM by batch job?  Thanks a lot! 



Best Regards,
Jason Cai



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Re: Why Salesforce for SR?

[Knutson, Samuel]

There are good reasons to advocate that IBM properly consider all the use cases 
and needs of the mainframe community but I'm not concerned about confidential 
data.  Salesforce is already used for case management by many of the largest 
companies in the world.  [Full disclosure including Compuware]
IBM is hardly blazing a new path using Salesforce for case management.
Salesforce documents their thoughts on security here and in other places 
https://www.salesforce.com/hub/technology/cloud-security-is-salesforce-priority/
   Two platform IT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMc29ckVRdA is something my 
company has advocated for as a sound strategy and where something is truly a 
commodity like case management today leveraging cloud consumed services is a 
wise choice.  For applications that run on IBMz they are by now almost 
exclusively customer developed applications for which no equal exists and 
provide a unique competitive advantage those should rightfully continue to run 
on the most efficient hyper converged system you can use the IBM mainframe 
platform.

Short answer is I don't worry about having cases in Salesforce. If done 
properly availability and customer experience should improve with no concerns 
about data security.


Best Regards,

Sam Knutson  |  VP, Product Management  |  Compuware
@samknutson |  linkedin.com/in/samknutson
samuel.knut...@compuware.com  |  M: +1 301 996-1318



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Since Salesforce isn't owned by IBM why is what could be something requiring 
potential decent degree of confidentiality such as Service Request when dumps 
are involved being migrated there?

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Re: ICSF crypto domain sharing

[Mark Jacobs - Listserv]

Looks like it;


  *   Greater than 16 Domain support

 *   –  Support to allow a cryptographic coprocessor to be shared across 
more than 16 domains, up to

the maximum number of LPARs on the system.

 *   –  This support relies on enhanced firmware available with a minimum 
microcode level for the Crypto Express4S and Crypto Express5S coprocessors. 
With the adjunct processor (AP) extended addressing (APXA) facility installed, 
the z Systems crypto architecture can support greater than 16 domains in an AP.

 *   –  Customers will have the flexibility of mapping individual LPARs to 
unique crypto domains or continuing to share crypto domains across LPARs.

Mark Jacobs

Frank Swarbrick wrote on 9/27/18 5:37 PM:

Can two different LPARs share the same domain (and obviously the same keys), or 
do the keys have to be loaded for each LPAR separately, even when they are the 
same?

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ICSF crypto domain sharing

[Frank Swarbrick]

Can two different LPARs share the same domain (and obviously the same keys), or 
do the keys have to be loaded for each LPAR separately, even when they are the 
same?

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Re: websphere-liberty question

[scott Ford]

Thanks all. David don’t kill the messager, I take your point.
It’s not my decision on what/how we do it. Don’t get me wrong I appreciate
the ideas from all.
 We are replacing a Cobol/Hlasm STC with a Rest api interface. We are at
the data gathering stage.
.

Regards,
Scott

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 10:18 AM Kirk Wolf  wrote:

> Thanks Tim, this is good information.   I appreciate your contributions to
> the community.
> I have to say that Liberty might be the most confusing product offering
> from IBM *ever* in terms of what versions and license options are
> available.
>
> A) For instance, there is this:
>
> https://developer.ibm.com/wasdev/docs/websphere-application-server-everyone/
> This seems to be different from the "Open Liberty" version that you
> mention.  Is it available for z/OS?
> It appears to be a subset, since in the article it says:
>
> "You can see the list in the knowledge center
> <
> http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSEQTP_8.5.5/com.ibm.websphere.wlp.doc/ae/rwlp_feat.html?cp=SSEQTP_8.5.5%2F1-0-2-2-0
> >
> (this
> license’s features are in the same column as *WAS express*)."
>
> *If you follow this knowledge center link, there isn't actually a column
> for WAS express!*
>
> B) If you go to:  https://developer.ibm.com/wasdev/  and download Liberty,
> you seems to get a pure-java implementation.  The README doesn't mention
> z/OS, and I don't see any Platform-specific JNI libraries, or zos*.jar
> files.   So, I assume that basic stuff like SAF/RACF authentication won't
> be there.
>
> C) The basic IBM Liberty z/OS questions are these:
> -  Which versions are available (independently or embedded in something
> else) for z/OS?
> - Which versions allow applications that are not signed by IBM?
> -  What features are included or excluded from each?
> -  What licenses are available for these versions?
> -  How do you obtain these for z/OS?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 1:58 AM Timothy Sipples 
> wrote:
>
> > David Crayford wrote:
> > >There is no free WLP.
> >
> > Were you aware that Open Liberty is available under the Eclipse Public
> > License?
> >
> > https://www.openliberty.io
> >
> > Open Liberty was introduced about a year ago now. Yes, Open Liberty is
> > tested and compatible with z/OS (and with Linux on Z and LinuxONE). The
> EPL
> > is an OSI and FSF recognized license. If you have a commercial product
> and
> > would like to use Open Liberty as its runtime, that's perfectly fine and
> no
> > charge.
> >
> > WebSphere Liberty and CICS Liberty exploit certain z/OS features that
> Open
> > Liberty does not. Thus you have some choices depending on what you'd like
> > to achieve. As examples, you could (not necessarily mutually exclusive):
> >
> > 1. Distribute and fully support your commercial product with Open Liberty
> > for those customers that don't want/need the deeper z/OS integration in
> > IBM's commercial Liberty products, but also support customers who prefer
> to
> > deploy your product on WebSphere Liberty, CICS Liberty, or WebSphere
> > Application Server.
> >
> > 2. Distribute an unsupported trial, demonstration, or basic variant of
> your
> > commercial product with Open Liberty, and then license/support customers
> > who run your full commercial product on WebSphere Liberty, CICS Liberty,
> or
> > WebSphere Application Server that they separately obtain from IBM, with
> IBM
> > support.
> >
> > 3. Contact IBM to obtain a distribution license for WebSphere Liberty for
> > your software product, with IBM typically providing you with "Level 3"
> > support.
> >
> > 4. Distribute your open source software with open source Open Liberty to
> > everybody, including to z/OS users.
> >
> > 5. Distribute your software product on its own, but provide instructions
> > and support for running it using Open Liberty, WebSphere Liberty, CICS
> > Liberty, and WebSphere Application Server. ("Don't have Liberty Profile
> or
> > WebSphere Application Server yet? No problem. Visit
> > https://www.openliberty.io and")
> >
> > >IBM don't give away freebies on z/OS.
> >
> > IBM keeps adding lots of no additional charge features to z/OS. How about
> > the IBM Toolkit for Swift on z/OS as one recent example? The Community
> > Edition is available at no additional charge and, yes, licensed for
> > production use:
> >
> > https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/products/ibm-toolkit-swift-z-os/
> >
> > In this particular case, if you'd like optional IBM support services,
> > there's a separate charge.
> >
> > Here's another example that I didn't even know about until 30 seconds ago
> > (as I write this): the free (for 90 days) IBM z/OS Software Checker to
> > provide you with a simple report of your z/OS software inventory. It's a
> no
> > charge subset of IBM Tivoli Asset Discovery for z/OS (circa 2016). Here's
> > where you can download it:
> >
> > https://ibm.biz/BdHBSS
> >
> > If you want to run a report once or a few times within 90 days, and then
> > never use it again -- because 

Re: ECB in XMEM Post

[Jim Mulder]

  It is available for V2R1 when APAR OA49677 is installed.

Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test  IBM Corp. 
Poughkeepsie NY

"Charles Mills"  wrote on 09/27/2018 01:15:38 PM:

> From: "Charles Mills" 
> To: ibm-main@listserv.ua.edu
> Date: 09/27/2018 02:02 PM
> Subject: Re: ECB in XMEM Post
> 
> @Peter, can you confirm IEAMSXMP is available for V2R1? It is in the 
V2R2
> doc but not the V2R1 doc.
> 
> Charles
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Peter Relson
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 9:48 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: ECB in XMEM Post
> 
> ...
> 
> But for just about anything else, if sticking with the wait/post 
protocol,
> do use IEAMSXMP when it is available. It is available on all supported
> releases (although at z/OS 2.1 and 2.2 it is via APAR. For those 
releases,
> unless you "know" that it is OK, use IEAMSXMP only when field ECVTSXMP 
is
> non-0).
> 
> Peter Relson
> z/OS Core Technology Design



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Re: ECB in XMEM Post

[Charles Mills]

@Peter, can you confirm IEAMSXMP is available for V2R1? It is in the V2R2
doc but not the V2R1 doc.

Charles


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...

But for just about anything else, if sticking with the wait/post protocol, 
do use IEAMSXMP when it is available. It is available on all supported 
releases (although at z/OS 2.1 and 2.2 it is via APAR. For those releases, 
unless you "know" that it is OK, use IEAMSXMP only when field ECVTSXMP is 
non-0).

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design

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Re: ECB in XMEM Post

[Peter Relson]

>Is that true for address spaces with non-reusable ASIDs?

The exposure is only partly the ASID. It is also the ASCB. Assume that the 
ASCB is freemained at end of address space. And thus that storage could 
potentially be reused as an ASCB for a new address space. But that 
assumption is not directly true.

We do need to be careful in terminology. In the question, what is meant by 
a non-reusable ASID? Is that an ASID for an address space that was not 
started with REUSASID=YES? Or is it an ASID that is made non-reusable 
(either temporarily or permanently) because of cross-memory 
considerations?

For an ASID that is permanently non-reusable, yes, it is safe to use 
normal XM Post because the ASCB will not get freemained.
And for a non-memtermable address space, that would apply too.

But for just about anything else, if sticking with the wait/post protocol, 
do use IEAMSXMP when it is available. It is available on all supported 
releases (although at z/OS 2.1 and 2.2 it is via APAR. For those releases, 
unless you "know" that it is OK, use IEAMSXMP only when field ECVTSXMP is 
non-0).

Peter Relson
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Re: Why Salesforce for SR?

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

The word has moved from the street to the office. At SHARE in St. Louis, IBM 
ran session 22945 that laid out details of 'the new support experience', AKA 
Salesforce. The abstract:

"As IBM evolves its Support experience, you'll see lots of changes and 
improvements. In addition to new knowledge, community, and watson-based 
self-help options, your case and agent interaction experience will be enriched 
through live chat and improved transparency to case details.  The new 
experience ensures you'll get to the best agent for your specific issue faster, 
and that the agent you get to will have access to a larger repository of 
knowledge and resources to help resolve your issue faster.

Come to this session to learn more about the new support experiencing replacing 
SR, including:

What's changing/changed, and why?
How do you use the new support experience to its fullest?  
Basic configuration as well as Advanced features" 

This change to SR is already moving forward in the non-Z arena. Z will be last. 
The biggest impact is that 'SR number' will change to a Salesforce 'case' 
format, totally different from what we've known for decades. At the time of 
transition by product/component, customers will be notified in advance. Any SRs 
in progress at that time will continue to be tracked with the original SR 
numbers, but any new case will get the new numbering scheme. Problem management 
tools like PDUU will accept both the new case nomenclature and the traditional 
SR format.   

Paraphrasing Shameless, this is what you missed last SHARE. 

.
.
J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler 
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
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Word on the street is IBM is moving off of RETAIN entirely. Get used to 
salesforce...

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 7:45 PM Clark Morris  wrote:

> Since Salesforce isn't owned by IBM why is what could be something 
> requiring potential decent degree of confidentiality such as Service 
> Request when dumps are involved being migrated there?
>
> Clark Morris


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Re: DFHSM options for dataset back-up

[Glenn Wilcock]

DFSMShsm doesn't have any documented way to do this, and I haven't found any 
undocumented patches either.  

DFSMShsm also provides a NORESET option to not reset the DSCI when doing 
full-volume dumps.  I suspect that this is common across all backup products 
for full-volume processing, so that data set backups can continue as normal 
regardless of the dump cycle.  

Not sure of your specific scenario, but look at SMS GUARANTEED BACKUP 
FREQUENCY.  It drives periodic backups even if the DSCI is not set.  It has 
some caveat's, but it's worth looking at if that is what you are trying to 
solve.

While we always welcome RFEs, just want to say up front that unless there are 
many additional votes from other clients also requesting this type of 
enhancement, it's unlikely that a unique request like this will ever make it 
high enough in our backlog that it will get done.

Glenn Wilcock
DFSMShsm architect

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Re: websphere-liberty question

[Kirk Wolf]

Thanks Tim, this is good information.   I appreciate your contributions to
the community.
I have to say that Liberty might be the most confusing product offering
from IBM *ever* in terms of what versions and license options are available.

A) For instance, there is this:
https://developer.ibm.com/wasdev/docs/websphere-application-server-everyone/
This seems to be different from the "Open Liberty" version that you
mention.  Is it available for z/OS?
It appears to be a subset, since in the article it says:

"You can see the list in the knowledge center

(this
license’s features are in the same column as *WAS express*)."

*If you follow this knowledge center link, there isn't actually a column
for WAS express!*

B) If you go to:  https://developer.ibm.com/wasdev/  and download Liberty,
you seems to get a pure-java implementation.  The README doesn't mention
z/OS, and I don't see any Platform-specific JNI libraries, or zos*.jar
files.   So, I assume that basic stuff like SAF/RACF authentication won't
be there.

C) The basic IBM Liberty z/OS questions are these:
-  Which versions are available (independently or embedded in something
else) for z/OS?
- Which versions allow applications that are not signed by IBM?
-  What features are included or excluded from each?
-  What licenses are available for these versions?
-  How do you obtain these for z/OS?



On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 1:58 AM Timothy Sipples  wrote:

> David Crayford wrote:
> >There is no free WLP.
>
> Were you aware that Open Liberty is available under the Eclipse Public
> License?
>
> https://www.openliberty.io
>
> Open Liberty was introduced about a year ago now. Yes, Open Liberty is
> tested and compatible with z/OS (and with Linux on Z and LinuxONE). The EPL
> is an OSI and FSF recognized license. If you have a commercial product and
> would like to use Open Liberty as its runtime, that's perfectly fine and no
> charge.
>
> WebSphere Liberty and CICS Liberty exploit certain z/OS features that Open
> Liberty does not. Thus you have some choices depending on what you'd like
> to achieve. As examples, you could (not necessarily mutually exclusive):
>
> 1. Distribute and fully support your commercial product with Open Liberty
> for those customers that don't want/need the deeper z/OS integration in
> IBM's commercial Liberty products, but also support customers who prefer to
> deploy your product on WebSphere Liberty, CICS Liberty, or WebSphere
> Application Server.
>
> 2. Distribute an unsupported trial, demonstration, or basic variant of your
> commercial product with Open Liberty, and then license/support customers
> who run your full commercial product on WebSphere Liberty, CICS Liberty, or
> WebSphere Application Server that they separately obtain from IBM, with IBM
> support.
>
> 3. Contact IBM to obtain a distribution license for WebSphere Liberty for
> your software product, with IBM typically providing you with "Level 3"
> support.
>
> 4. Distribute your open source software with open source Open Liberty to
> everybody, including to z/OS users.
>
> 5. Distribute your software product on its own, but provide instructions
> and support for running it using Open Liberty, WebSphere Liberty, CICS
> Liberty, and WebSphere Application Server. ("Don't have Liberty Profile or
> WebSphere Application Server yet? No problem. Visit
> https://www.openliberty.io and")
>
> >IBM don't give away freebies on z/OS.
>
> IBM keeps adding lots of no additional charge features to z/OS. How about
> the IBM Toolkit for Swift on z/OS as one recent example? The Community
> Edition is available at no additional charge and, yes, licensed for
> production use:
>
> https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/products/ibm-toolkit-swift-z-os/
>
> In this particular case, if you'd like optional IBM support services,
> there's a separate charge.
>
> Here's another example that I didn't even know about until 30 seconds ago
> (as I write this): the free (for 90 days) IBM z/OS Software Checker to
> provide you with a simple report of your z/OS software inventory. It's a no
> charge subset of IBM Tivoli Asset Discovery for z/OS (circa 2016). Here's
> where you can download it:
>
> https://ibm.biz/BdHBSS
>
> If you want to run a report once or a few times within 90 days, and then
> never use it again -- because you're doing some sort of upgrade and want to
> run a report for an auditor? -- fine, you're allowed, no problem.
>
> To pick a few more examples, various fonts used to be separately chargeable
> for z/OS, but now they're included in the base and sometimes useful even if
> you aren't printing to paper. The IBM Knowledge Center for z/OS is part of
> the base z/OS operating system, and IBM Doc Buddy is free of charge (
> https://ibmdocbuddy.mybluemix.net), whereas their ancestors in the
> BookManager family were chargeable. The z/OS Client Web Enablement 

Re: Copying OMVS IPC file

[Kirk Wolf]

I'm not sure what you mean specifically by an IPC file.  *Exactly* what
kind?

cp works for me for fifos, which are character device files based on Unix
pipes.I would bet that Unix domain sockets work just the same.
If you are using some other kind of IPC that uses a device file (message
queues, shared memory, etc), then you don't get a character device and you
will have to use APIs specific to that mechanism.

cd /tmp
mkfifo my.fifo
cat /etc/profile > my.fifo  &
cp my.fifo  junk.txt
diff /etc/profile junk.txt

Here's a tip for using IBM-MAIN:  post a complete test example of what you
are doing, not just little bits devoid of context.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 4:40 AM Jake Anderson 
wrote:

> Hi
>
> Cross posted
>
> Good morning
>
> Could someone please help to understand.
>
> What's the syntax to copy a IPC file to another directory ? I don't see it
> in a manual. The normal CP or MV doesn't work
>
> All I get is FSUM6258
>
>
>
> Regards
> Jake
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Re: FTP slow after 2.3 upgrade

[Beesley, Paul]

OK, I don’t understand this, can someone explain.
I found instructions on running TCPIP packet traces, set up a test job and got 
these results:

Running without trace on... I was getting 15 KB/s ... think carrier pigeon 
would be quicker.
Turned on trace to see what was going on, and got >4000 KB/s !!

I turned it off in case it was a fluke, started the job, and went back to 15 
KB/s.
Turned on trace while the job was running, and this is the result
EZA1485I 2125000 bytes transferred - 11 second interval rate 14.97 KB/sec -
EZA1485I 2275000 bytes transferred - 10 second interval rate 14.26 KB/sec -
EZA1485I 245 bytes transferred - 11 second interval rate 15.72 KB/sec -
EZA1485I 29625000 bytes transferred - 10 second interval rate 2717.50 KB/sec -
EZA1485I 63375000 bytes transferred - 10 second interval rate 3375.00 KB/sec -
EZA1485I 99825000 bytes transferred - 10 second interval rate 3645.00 KB/sec -

Think you can see when I turned on trace.

What is going on here?

Regards and thanks
Paul

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Brian Westerman
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:32 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: FTP slow after 2.3 upgrade

Actually the 17 sites I have upgraded to 2.3 so far have all experienced no 
change at all in the FTP speed.  They are various different models of hardware 
and  pretty much everything that is currently supported is represented at one 
of the sites. Maybe you have updated to a older (or newer) level than they are 
at, or maybe you have changed something in your hardware that took effect on 
the same day.

Brian

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Re: Copying OMVS IPC file

[Burrell, Todd]

PAX may be a better option.  


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Subject: Copying OMVS IPC file

Hi

Cross posted

Good morning

Could someone please help to understand.

What's the syntax to copy a IPC file to another directory ? I don't see it in a 
manual. The normal CP or MV doesn't work

All I get is FSUM6258



Regards
Jake

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Copying OMVS IPC file

[Jake Anderson]

Hi

Cross posted

Good morning

Could someone please help to understand.

What's the syntax to copy a IPC file to another directory ? I don't see it
in a manual. The normal CP or MV doesn't work

All I get is FSUM6258



Regards
Jake

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Re: Master cats as user cats on other systems - why?

[Brian Westerman]

I'll have to try this one.:)  I hope it turns out to be not true, but it 
actually seems like a logical possibility.

Brian


On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 15:56:46 +0100, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) 
 wrote:

>Classification: Public
>The "platinum" (or ) build says to have a single 
>master cat for all systems in a sysplex. Now I get that not everything is a 
>sysplex, but where it is, take caution. 
>
>Where you have master cats for other systems as user cats, there's a big red 
>flag - the system won't let you delete the active master cat for the system 
>you're on (you get IDC3009I, RC 90, RSN 2), but nothing stops you deleting a 
>user cat that is also the master cat for another system.
> 
>Once that "user cat" has been deleted, the other system very quickly decides 
>that it can no longer continue life. (page datasets, from memory, are what it 
>complained about first..)
>
>Andy Styles
>z/Series System Programmer
>
>
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>On Wed, 26 Se2 2018 14:09:48 +, Allan Staller wrote:
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>>I tend to generally concur w/Brian, but I do want to add an observation.
>>
>>Any time there are (three of something) vs (one of something)  you are 
>>(almost certainly) guaranteed to the one or more of the three, out of sync.
>>Correction of "out of sync" conditions is generally painful and involves a 
>>great deal of research and time to correct.
>>
>>Or to say the above in the short and sweet manner:
>>Two or more of something that don't agree, is worse than having nothing.
>>
>“never go to sea with two chronometers, take one or three”
>-- The Mythical Man-Month 
>https://blog.ipspace.net/2017/01/never-take-two-chronometers-to-sea.html
>
>>The above being said, most "out of sync" conditions can be prevented by 
>>application of appropriate operational discipline.
>>It has been my experience that very few shops employ appropriate operational 
>>discipline.
>>
>>For this reason, I lean towards shared, rather than separate.
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Re: websphere-liberty question

[David Crayford]

On 27/09/2018 2:58 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote:

David Crayford wrote:

There is no free WLP.

Were you aware that Open Liberty is available under the Eclipse Public
License?

https://www.openliberty.io



Very cool. I'll give it a test drive. There's work underway on a spring 
boot starter 
https://openliberty.io/blog/2017/11/29/liberty-spring-boot.html.


Looks like Open Liberty has only been working on z/OS since June 
https://github.com/OpenLiberty/open-liberty/issues/425.




Open Liberty was introduced about a year ago now. Yes, Open Liberty is
tested and compatible with z/OS (and with Linux on Z and LinuxONE). The EPL
is an OSI and FSF recognized license. If you have a commercial product and
would like to use Open Liberty as its runtime, that's perfectly fine and no
charge.

WebSphere Liberty and CICS Liberty exploit certain z/OS features that Open
Liberty does not. Thus you have some choices depending on what you'd like
to achieve. As examples, you could (not necessarily mutually exclusive):

1. Distribute and fully support your commercial product with Open Liberty
for those customers that don't want/need the deeper z/OS integration in
IBM's commercial Liberty products, but also support customers who prefer to
deploy your product on WebSphere Liberty, CICS Liberty, or WebSphere
Application Server.

2. Distribute an unsupported trial, demonstration, or basic variant of your
commercial product with Open Liberty, and then license/support customers
who run your full commercial product on WebSphere Liberty, CICS Liberty, or
WebSphere Application Server that they separately obtain from IBM, with IBM
support.
1
3. Contact IBM to obtain a distribution license for WebSphere Liberty for
your software product, with IBM typically providing you with "Level 3"
support.

4. Distribute your open source software with open source Open Liberty to
everybody, including to z/OS users.

5. Distribute your software product on its own, but provide instructions
and support for running it using Open Liberty, WebSphere Liberty, CICS
Liberty, and WebSphere Application Server. ("Don't have Liberty Profile or
WebSphere Application Server yet? No problem. Visit
https://www.openliberty.io and")


IBM don't give away freebies on z/OS.

IBM keeps adding lots of no additional charge features to z/OS. How about
the IBM Toolkit for Swift on z/OS as one recent example? The Community
Edition is available at no additional charge and, yes, licensed for
production use:

https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/products/ibm-toolkit-swift-z-os/

In this particular case, if you'd like optional IBM support services,
there's a separate charge.

Here's another example that I didn't even know about until 30 seconds ago
(as I write this): the free (for 90 days) IBM z/OS Software Checker to
provide you with a simple report of your z/OS software inventory. It's a no
charge subset of IBM Tivoli Asset Discovery for z/OS (circa 2016). Here's
where you can download it:

https://ibm.biz/BdHBSS

If you want to run a report once or a few times within 90 days, and then
never use it again -- because you're doing some sort of upgrade and want to
run a report for an auditor? -- fine, you're allowed, no problem.

To pick a few more examples, various fonts used to be separately chargeable
for z/OS, but now they're included in the base and sometimes useful even if
you aren't printing to paper. The IBM Knowledge Center for z/OS is part of
the base z/OS operating system, and IBM Doc Buddy is free of charge (
https://ibmdocbuddy.mybluemix.net), whereas their ancestors in the
BookManager family were chargeable. The z/OS Client Web Enablement Toolkit
is part of the base operating system.


Timothy Sipples
IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE,
Multi-Geography
E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com

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Re: websphere-liberty question

[Timothy Sipples]

David Crayford wrote:
>There is no free WLP.

Were you aware that Open Liberty is available under the Eclipse Public
License?

https://www.openliberty.io

Open Liberty was introduced about a year ago now. Yes, Open Liberty is
tested and compatible with z/OS (and with Linux on Z and LinuxONE). The EPL
is an OSI and FSF recognized license. If you have a commercial product and
would like to use Open Liberty as its runtime, that's perfectly fine and no
charge.

WebSphere Liberty and CICS Liberty exploit certain z/OS features that Open
Liberty does not. Thus you have some choices depending on what you'd like
to achieve. As examples, you could (not necessarily mutually exclusive):

1. Distribute and fully support your commercial product with Open Liberty
for those customers that don't want/need the deeper z/OS integration in
IBM's commercial Liberty products, but also support customers who prefer to
deploy your product on WebSphere Liberty, CICS Liberty, or WebSphere
Application Server.

2. Distribute an unsupported trial, demonstration, or basic variant of your
commercial product with Open Liberty, and then license/support customers
who run your full commercial product on WebSphere Liberty, CICS Liberty, or
WebSphere Application Server that they separately obtain from IBM, with IBM
support.

3. Contact IBM to obtain a distribution license for WebSphere Liberty for
your software product, with IBM typically providing you with "Level 3"
support.

4. Distribute your open source software with open source Open Liberty to
everybody, including to z/OS users.

5. Distribute your software product on its own, but provide instructions
and support for running it using Open Liberty, WebSphere Liberty, CICS
Liberty, and WebSphere Application Server. ("Don't have Liberty Profile or
WebSphere Application Server yet? No problem. Visit
https://www.openliberty.io and")

>IBM don't give away freebies on z/OS.

IBM keeps adding lots of no additional charge features to z/OS. How about
the IBM Toolkit for Swift on z/OS as one recent example? The Community
Edition is available at no additional charge and, yes, licensed for
production use:

https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/products/ibm-toolkit-swift-z-os/

In this particular case, if you'd like optional IBM support services,
there's a separate charge.

Here's another example that I didn't even know about until 30 seconds ago
(as I write this): the free (for 90 days) IBM z/OS Software Checker to
provide you with a simple report of your z/OS software inventory. It's a no
charge subset of IBM Tivoli Asset Discovery for z/OS (circa 2016). Here's
where you can download it:

https://ibm.biz/BdHBSS

If you want to run a report once or a few times within 90 days, and then
never use it again -- because you're doing some sort of upgrade and want to
run a report for an auditor? -- fine, you're allowed, no problem.

To pick a few more examples, various fonts used to be separately chargeable
for z/OS, but now they're included in the base and sometimes useful even if
you aren't printing to paper. The IBM Knowledge Center for z/OS is part of
the base z/OS operating system, and IBM Doc Buddy is free of charge (
https://ibmdocbuddy.mybluemix.net), whereas their ancestors in the
BookManager family were chargeable. The z/OS Client Web Enablement Toolkit
is part of the base operating system.


Timothy Sipples
IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE,
Multi-Geography
E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com

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