On 2020-07-17 11:12 AM, Tony Thigpen wrote:
And, what mainstream languages use COPY instead of MOVE.
C, C++, C#, Java, Python, Ruby, etc, etc.
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On 2020-07-17 11:12 AM, Tony Thigpen wrote:
By your statements, MVC also fails.
From the start, MOVE in the programming world has been equated to what
you are calling a COPY.
I beg to differ! For the programming languages I code in use there is a
huge difference between copy and move
Had it been a common practice you would have seen Team PL/I carrying pitchforks
and torches, chanting "Unclean! Unclean!". Every PL/I programmer that I know
would consider it an abomination.
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On 7/16/2020 9:12 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
I once saw a PL/I programmer that somebody had compressed
Ouch! Was that common practice? If so I'm glad I never coded anything
in PL/I :)
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I once saw a PL/I programmer that somebody had compressed by removing all white
space not required by the language. I never understood why anybody would do
such a thing to a poor inoffensive program that never did any harm to anybody.
I don't like COBOL, and the claim that it is English-like
By your statements, MVC also fails.
From the start, MOVE in the programming world has been equated to what
you are calling a COPY.
But, you have me curious.
What language uses MOVE as a destructive copy? (And overlapping operands
is not a valid example.)
And, what mainstream languages use
COBOL fails at MOVE. It's a COPY. Maybe they should have said REPLICATE,
since COPY was already taken. So, not good English.
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 12:46 PM Tony Thigpen wrote:
> I agree with Clark.
>
> In addition, even the best language can have it's best features ignored
> by programmers so
I agree with Clark.
In addition, even the best language can have it's best features ignored
by programmers so that others can claim it's the language's fault.
I have seen both REXX and C code that was totally unreadable due to the
programmer putting 24 nested functions in one statement. I
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 02:27:24 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
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>Looking at some of the comment I have seen in Assembler code including
>my own, COBOL code is close to the syntax of those
Be careful what you ask for. A good technical writer is a joy forever; a bad
one, not so much. Clear and lucid prose is good, but only to the extent that it
accurately describes the product.
One of my firm convictions is that software testing should include people who
don't know how it works.
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>The claim that COBOL is English like is every bit as bogus as the claim that
>rewriting existing COBOL applications in another language will magically fix
>problems of underfunding,
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sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) wrote:
>The claim that COBOL is English like is every bit as bogus as the claim that
>rewriting existing COBOL applications in another language will magically fix
>problems of underfunding,
You must have a CCA Coprocessor to initialize a PKDS. From the current SPG,
for HCR77D1 (SC14-7507-09, p. 431), Appendix F:
If only the CPACF feature is installed, you will not be able to:
1. Set master keys.
2. Initialize the PKDS.
3. Store keys in the PKDS.
That has been true for a long time.
Ah!
The individual PDF's *are* there, but that index is bad.
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/iea3a310.pdf
Charles
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Maybe he's talking about this link, which is my old bookmark to the pdf's:
https://www-01.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r2-pdf-download?OpenDocument
The index is there, but if I click to look at a pdf file, I get a 404 error.
On 7/16/2020 4:30 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
It's there for me (or am I not understanding)?
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.ieaa700/toc.htm
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.ieaa700/abend.htm
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> I think the following message means/implies no use of PKDS
>
> CSFM122I PKA SERVICES WERE NOT ENABLED DURING ICSF INITIALIZATION.
Looks like it to me too.
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+1 Shmuel !!
Well said.
Peter
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The claim that COBOL is English like
Yup. I'm a C, PL/1, assembly and C bigot myself, but the plain truth is
that COBOL is mostly just a wordier way of doing the same things
that other languages do. And re-writing, if it isn't done very
thoughfully, tends to make things worse in my experience.
Rupert
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at
It only very recently that CPACF does any processing for asymmetric keys.
Remember that if you initialise a CKDS using CPACF, you cannot subsequently
convert the CKDS to a protected key CKDS.
You could always look at the old Redbook for Crypto n the z9 SG24-7123-00.
.
Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
Resolved in a very few hours. That z9 ran for around 10 years. I'll never have
another priority 1 issue. We are running on someone else's' z13 now. Any issues
are their's.
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FWIW, this is what I see when I bring up CSF:
IEF403I CSF - STARTED - TIME=13.13.39
CSFO0230 CKDSN(TSSPV.CSF.CKDS)
CSFO0230 PKDSN(TSSPV.CSF.PKDS)
CSFO0230 COMPAT(NO)
CSFO0230 SSM(YES)
CSFO0230 KEYAUTH(NO)
CSFO0230 CHECKAUTH(NO)
CSFO0230 USERPARM(USERPARM)
CSFO0230 CKTAUTH(YES)
CSFO0230
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 1:04 PM Carmen Vitullo wrote:
> It's been a long time since I've INIT'd a PKDS, my config had a co
> processor installed and I had to have CSF running to INIT a PKDS and store
> the DES master key
> did you start CSF?
>
Yes.
>
>
> Carmen Vitullo
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On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 12:56 PM Mark Jacobs <
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> Looks like CPACF on a z9 doesn't do anything related to public/private
> keys, just symmetric keys. So, likely there's no support for the PKDS on a
> z9 without crypto cards.
>
Thanks. I was
A SEV1 does get a lot of attention
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> On Jul 16, 2020, at 14:11, Gibney, Dave wrote:
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> Same here. My one and only priority 1 issue with IBM. When the z9BC was
> brand new, I defined all 4 crypto cards as
Same here. My one and only priority 1 issue with IBM. When the z9BC was brand
new, I defined all 4 crypto cards as accelerators. Couldn't define my master
keys or get SSL working. (It had been working on the z800-0B1)
We elected to go forward with the processor upgrade that Saturday. And I
The z/OS 2.2 documentation seems to have disappeared from the z/OS internet
Library (again!)
The index is there, but the PDF's seem to have disappeared.
Interestingly, the 2.1 doc is still there and functional.
IBM, clean up your act!
::DISCLAIMER::
The
It's been a long time since I've INIT'd a PKDS, my config had a co processor
installed and I had to have CSF running to INIT a PKDS and store the DES master
key
did you start CSF?
Carmen Vitullo
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Looks like CPACF on a z9 doesn't do anything related to public/private keys,
just symmetric keys. So, likely there's no support for the PKDS on a z9 without
crypto cards.
Mark Jacobs
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This is for a very old z/OS 1.12 system running on a z9BC. CPACF is enabled
in the machine. There are no cryptographic coprocessors installed. I can
initialize the CKDS using the panel. But when I try to initialize the PKDS,
the panel displays "OPTION NOT ACTIVE". PF1 displays 'THE SELECTED PANEL
Your answer to last question is yes...the morons still run corps because they
are well educated IDIOTS
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The claim that COBOL is English like is every bit as bogus as the claim that
rewriting existing COBOL applications in another language will magically fix
problems of underfunding, understaffing and general mismanagement.
BTW, when the language du jour is out of fashion, will they want to
I couldn't agree more!
Roger W. Suhr
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Hi Lionel,
you won't get a 3270 like interface. You can design the interface whatever
way you like. Only the exchange of mainframe relevant data will be carried
out by the 3270 non-GUI emulation server session. This will have nothing to
do with the display of data. I hope that makes my suggestion
Perhaps to start with and then convert the html to a more pleasing web
experience.
Lionel B. Dyck <
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are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden
OK - understand now. I haven't given it that much thought as yet.
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Lionel,
Do you want to display the exact copy of the ISPF display in HTML? is this
what you are looking at (Without the logic parts as )INIT, )REINIT, PROC,
etc.)?
ITschak
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On 2020-07-16 04:36, Lionel B Dyck wrote:
No need for it to retain the look/feel of ISPF - just the functionality
Sorry, what I meant is this: once you have developed this web interface,
do you intend that to be the only interface, or do you still want to be
able to use the ISPF interface
On 7/16/2020 7:11 AM, Dave Rankin wrote:
We have recently moved our Mainframe to another location and a new robot.
RMM is working as it should except when tapes are ejected by RMM to another
location and returned.
They are placed into the Robot hopper and into a emtpy slot but RMM is not
well, z/OSMF provides ISPF services within the application, once setup and
invoked you logon and get ISPF looking screen, not a green screen.
not sure this is what your looking for, but give it a look.
Carmen Vitullo
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Thank you but I'm not interested in a 3270 like interface - I want to
provide a web interface that has the look/feel of the web rather than a
3270.
Lionel B. Dyck <
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you are, reputation
Hi Lionel,
I would suggest you implement a server application that communicates with
the frontend (web browser) using HTTP/SSL/TLS and with your backend ISPF
application using a server version of a 3270 terminal emulation running
without a GUI.
You can use an OHIO (Open Host Interface Objects)
Translation: management by airline magazine, round 512.
Bobbie Jo Justice
Senior Systems Engineer
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I know I can use the D OMVS,OPTIONS parameter to see my current MAXPROCSYS
value in OMVS, but is it kept in SMF so I can see historical values? I looked
but I did not see it.
Jim Horne
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Usually it different.
First step is change platform.
Second step is change application or close the business.
Modern languages? Why is it always current MS .NET or how they name it?
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W dniu 16.07.2020 o 11:08, ITschak Mugzach pisze:
Rex,
I think the
To complement:
Now your HMC is connected to time network. To some time servers.
The HMC will act as time server for CPC. NTP is kind of cascading
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Rex,
I think the emulation of Z is only one step. the next step is moving to
modern languages as you go.
ITschak
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On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 12:13 AM
Still, is it a one to one application? I mean, user logon to his own TSO
account? BTW, if you do not need SSL, you don't need to use the web
enablement. it is more complex to use. simple rexx TCPIP support is
sufficient.
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W dniu 16.07.2020 o 09:28, Gadi Ben-Avi pisze:
Hi,
I was asked to make sure that the mainframes are using the same time source as
the rest of the computers on our network.
I know what the NTP servers are in our network.
In the HMC, I found 'Customize Console Date/Time'
I added the NTP servers
No need for it to retain the look/feel of ISPF - just the functionality
Lionel B. Dyck <
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are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden
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My first impression was "technobabble", but perhaps "buzzword bingo" is more
accurate. Or should that be "All hat and no steer"? Whether that's because
there's no there there or the reporter left something out I can't tell.
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The problem was solved years ago outside of the mainframe. I am sure there
are vendor reps here to tell.
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On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:52 AM David
Most web applications are backed by an API these days. You don't want to
be parsing HTML in REXX (yikes!).
On 2020-07-16 1:00 AM, Lionel B Dyck wrote:
Does anyone have any advice on how to enable a current ISPF application to
support a web interface?
Specifically:
1. User
Hi,
I was asked to make sure that the mainframes are using the same time source as
the rest of the computers on our network.
I know what the NTP servers are in our network.
In the HMC, I found 'Customize Console Date/Time'
I added the NTP servers to the screen, and they seem to have been
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