Re: git clone w/o mainframe internet access

[David Crayford]

You can do this but you're going to have to jump through some hoops. 
First you need to upload the repo from a zip file or whatever. Then you 
will have to tag all the files ISO8859-1 using the "chtag -R -tc 
ISO8859-1 ." command and hope there are no binary files.


Then you need to convert the repo to a bare repository.

|git clone --mirror path_to_source_repository path_to_bare_repository |

You can then use the bare repository to clone from and push to. If I 
were you I would use a local git hosting tool such as gitbucket on z/OS. 
It's just a fat jar which runs fine.  You can then have a nice GUI with 
wiki pages and branch history graphs just like GitHub or Bitbucket.



On 4/06/2021 11:32 am, David Crayford wrote:


You can do this but you're going to have to jump through some hoops. 
First you need to upload the repo from a zip file or whatever. Then 
you will have to tag all the files ISO8859-1 using the "chtag -R -tc 
ISO8859-1 ." command and hope there are no binary files.


Then you need to convert the report the repo to a bare repository.

|git clone --mirror path_to_source_repository path_to_bare_repository |

You can then use the bare repository to clone from and push to. If I 
were I would use a local git hosting tool such as gitBucket. You can 
then have a nice GUI with wiki pages and branch history graphs just 
like GitHub or Bitbucket.




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Slickedit now supports FLOWASM syntax highlighting for HLASM

[David Crayford]

FYI, we recently worked with SlickEdit to implement FLOWASM support for 
HLASM and it works very well. We also wrote some tooling to kick of 
builds over ssh from the SE GUI.


There is very little chance of ISPF every supporting custom language 
syntax highlighting so if you desire colors and use structured 
programming macros you should check it out.


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Re: git clone w/o mainframe internet access

[David Crayford]

You can do this but you're going to have to jump through some hoops. 
First you need to upload the repo from a zip file or whatever. Then you 
will have to tag all the files ISO8859-1 using the "chtag -R -tc 
ISO8859-1 ." command and hope there are no binary files.


Then you need to convert the report the repo to a bare repository.

|git clone --mirror path_to_source_repository path_to_bare_repository |

You can then use the bare repository to clone from and push to. If I 
were I would use a local git hosting tool such as gitBucket. You can 
then have a nice GUI with wiki pages and branch history graphs just like 
GitHub or Bitbucket.


||


On 4/06/2021 5:59 am, Frank Swarbrick wrote:

I have git for z/OS, but our mainframe is fenced off from the general internet. 
 Is there some (easy) way I could clone a repo to my local machine, upload it 
to z/OS, and then clone from there?  Or something like that?

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Re: git clone w/o mainframe internet access

[Grant Taylor]

On 6/3/21 3:59 PM, Frank Swarbrick wrote:
I have git for z/OS, but our mainframe is fenced off from the general 
internet.  Is there some (easy) way I could clone a repo to my local 
machine, upload it to z/OS, and then clone from there?  Or something 
like that?


My limited understanding of git is that any clone can be used as a 
source for another clone.


As such, I would expect that your workstation (or the likes) could do a 
git clone of something on the Internet and then z/OS could do a git 
clone from your workstation.




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Re: access to 9-track reel tape drive

[A T & T Management]

 Mark

I have such a tape drive but am located in Michigan.
Scott
On Wednesday, June 2, 2021, 10:56:51 PM EDT, Mark S Waterbury 
<01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:  
 
 Does anyone know of anyone in (or near) Central Florida (private individual or 
company) with a working mainframe compatible 9-track tape drive capable of 
reading tape reels recorded at 1600 or 6250 BPI density?

I have a number of old tapes that need to be copied and archived, for 
"posterity."

Please advise.

Feel free to reply privately if you prefer.

Thanks in advance.

Mark S. Waterbury

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Re: git clone w/o mainframe internet access

[Mike Schwab]

There are guides for building a git local repository and a git clone
command to copy the packages you are interested in.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 5:00 PM Frank Swarbrick
 wrote:
>
> I have git for z/OS, but our mainframe is fenced off from the general 
> internet.  Is there some (easy) way I could clone a repo to my local machine, 
> upload it to z/OS, and then clone from there?  Or something like that?
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git clone w/o mainframe internet access

[Frank Swarbrick]

I have git for z/OS, but our mainframe is fenced off from the general internet. 
 Is there some (easy) way I could clone a repo to my local machine, upload it 
to z/OS, and then clone from there?  Or something like that?

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Re: zPDT question

[Matt Hogstrom]

Not asked but for what its worth I run ZPDT on my Mac in a  container under 
Docker Desktop with an Ubuntu OS

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> On Jun 3, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
> 
> IBM has to be careful not to say anything that could be construed as a legal 
> commitment. IIf they aren't investigating resource to test and support it, 
> then the best you are likely to get is
> 
> "No customers have told us it doesn't work."
>"Some customers have told us that it works; we don't know whether it works 
> for other customers or whether it will continue to work."
> 
> If it works, it might stop working as the result of, e.g., new virtual or 
> real drivers.
> 
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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
> Lionel B. Dyck [lbd...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 3:34 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: zPDT question
> 
> Thanks for all the responses - I asked on the suggested forum and was told 
> that they have no plans to do anything special for WSL (but they didn't 
> answer the question of if it would work or not).
> 
> So has anyone tried zPDT under WSL?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Lionel B. Dyck <><
> Website: 
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1-biGLy_Z_xx1cLjLRv_lZwpaoD4ipwzzdWoeTYs7HyT33sGcE-Mnbs4_VLb5lF7W0Fv27KoTBoUL_qozq0A-e0mjlN9I-oBkWwemYsOZNXZuzVf_be-jQrOwzcoFek8E0ACSR0XfBwnbyBSGgu4zIV0l08J0TCgR98xGm5wLLK0DCHHiNXtNnY_JyA1FEPbhtIuRyRD4jJ8jqgXK_LbjCpP7bRMytYz1U8zrja5kk0GTgR0-vKtKlh9jKKhLK2UZDYILsjFd5mjGK0viXpUng8hj0ZSvIhF5rmjl_MmgPY2FWEFgJbltLKXeA5CrbLbAS4A4CFN6ViTeagCJ2GeHCQLgfin1QNEoVhKje9V5OGsAF0dJ0Mm9d-7j4lnNGkOXXiKjystnHh5x-BiL4LZ0igR8KO08cOckOI64DUWNdtPuq8MfzOO7m5sTt8XXNC7q/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbdsoftware.com
> Github: 
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1Lq73Rl7RoOjdk-z-AC1Lo9-uJpJ35LmMkDtFe2nNsZZHJTVFuzmRcWdJk8UdAABScIqcPB5YhWzia502wHDXqagxrg3NSx-Awit6tMRGckgnFCh4bo2TfQremdKmmpuw1B-Vj0h8Duwj7aZZbgNH6bhiLY8VLxCPDfRjxACeGMMIKtmNBmw08RHT3hgQK-Da_hJs7djUT0jrnR0Ci3BNg9XwTx0caITAOj_MDMx8EA3Bxd4XDlWxGG9wARmX6Zx7y0R7Xr-TXy8LAV56xbM9fNErP2-s4VWRxZu_J3SvgHkbpDlnh_QcYbmams3Xn5U-wWdeDHyy_XDL9ek-bUI2E4X8qJ31vwx6WR5dA_xyAn5B7ruXNV9lwK0V32sMYuiobZQvWMWrRGHaqSgJzkQDBpQLynHA3aASEUAJu033ItfKt8iGrz2eu-uItv9_q8L6/https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Flbdyck
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
> Wendell Lovewell
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:00 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: zPDT question
> 
> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS was and is just fine, but it'd be my guess you're not going 
> to have success with Windows in between it and the hardware.  But 
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1NbVVe_WWO6Bh2t-dvbZ1l6NDT39eczMbRRJIIhNmEJ6gA8xQV-s0qcQux6iIN-g4gp8QLt9FBPsIiil4gR3B4mC9ovKL-181-lWda3gcSKV7Z0ZWk8ti40N19yY3S2cmQteXHXEIIUWUJBqiC5f5xTaQEpe0-iOm7s1hDHmlYPO5Q7HYQgt8h5o05R_LUAY6sfRGeoY7KCaQB4MaQ6AsfvnJMpjRpKqOTKqzFH1_tMZC2hU6QyWJa2U-C1l-fgm6ZDJw2PrUxkIXiZRwe4ryUXzeU8wK0LDWfraGTh4mYyB4cNtivgh86Q6ErG13WQr8S3xZ5VHuE_b5dt7i_wOSUHM_SHaFOAM_9G-6NwqAelJyv9II0Cm6R6V_UcXC1KESZRXggtpsdvr73PW8ev8mRU5LWLKXKoqBHV3EMvvSOPVPy5pH6tgsDP0z6jec5ZTb1eng3ci89uRQQ72uQW9v2w/https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.io%2Fg%2FzPDT
>  is the place to be told that for certain.
> 
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Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?

[Seymour J Metz]

Is there nay management, policy or procedure continuity from ITS to zCloud? Can 
anybody from IBM comment on the contracts, if any, between IBM and 3rd party 
software vendors in support of zCloud?


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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?

I wouldn't be.  Maybe no problem with licensing, but support is another matter. 
 If it's not their product, how would they know?  They don't license other ISV 
products internally, so all learning is in the field, or "handled" by 
sub-contracting out the work (as we often did in ITS), or by buying out the 
customer's IT staff (as they often did in Outsourcing).  If that didn't work, 
or if it broke down, due to repeated downsizing and/or waves of voluntary 
departures, IBM then "dealt with it" by attempting to convert off of ISVs to 
their own "equivalents" (FSVO, equivalents).  I lost count of how many times I 
asked, "the marketing rep told you it would do what, exactly?"

Perhaps things have improved in the 15 years since I departed, but perhaps not, 
given that ITS has since been disbanded, outsourcing has now been spun off, and 
some marketing reps are still prone to hyperbole.

Art Gutowski


On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 12:17:36 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:

>Yes, like any other outsourcing and time-sharing contract, you need to define 
>your requirements before committing to it, and that includes license issues.  
>It's your responsibility to include what you need in the contract, but I would 
>be very surprised if IBM was unable to deal with 3rd party software.
>
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Re: [External] Re: access to 9-track reel tape drive

[David Purdy]

Many law firms specializing in software infringement cases either have, or have 
access to, all kinds of tape drives.

David

-Original Message-
From: Pommier, Rex 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Thu, Jun 3, 2021 12:38 pm
Subject: Re: [External] Re: access to 9-track reel tape drive

We went through this a couple years ago with a bunch of 3480/3490 tapes and had 
a LOT of tape checks resulting from bad spots on the media.  I'd actually be 
surprised if you can get much usable info off 3420 type tapes.  

If you can't find a reasonably priced service, you could check with Overland 
Data.  At some point they sold a desktop 9 track drive that was compatible with 
3420 style tapes.  At a prior site, when we eliminated the 3420s we purchased 
one of these to allow us to get to the occasional 6250 bpi tape.

Good luck,
Rex

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Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 10:05 AM
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Subject: [External] Re: access to 9-track reel tape drive

There are such services available, GIYF.
Note: usually the service is to copy dataset from tape to some contemporary 
medium like USB stick.
No conversion, etc.

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Lodz, Poland



W dniu 03.06.2021 o 04:56, Mark S Waterbury pisze:
> Does anyone know of anyone in (or near) Central Florida (private individual 
> or company) with a working mainframe compatible 9-track tape drive capable of 
> reading tape reels recorded at 1600 or 6250 BPI density?
>
> I have a number of old tapes that need to be copied and archived, for 
> "posterity."
>
> Please advise.
>
> Feel free to reply privately if you prefer.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Mark S. Waterbury
>
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Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?

[Ed Jaffe]

We have our products in IBM zCloud environments...

On 6/3/2021 11:58 AM, Art Gutowski wrote:

I wouldn't be.  Maybe no problem with licensing, but support is another matter.  If it's not their product, how would 
they know?  They don't license other ISV products internally, so all learning is in the field, or "handled" 
by sub-contracting out the work (as we often did in ITS), or by buying out the customer's IT staff (as they often did 
in Outsourcing).  If that didn't work, or if it broke down, due to repeated downsizing and/or waves of voluntary 
departures, IBM then "dealt with it" by attempting to convert off of ISVs to their own 
"equivalents" (FSVO, equivalents).  I lost count of how many times I asked, "the marketing rep told you 
it would do what, exactly?"

Perhaps things have improved in the 15 years since I departed, but perhaps not, 
given that ITS has since been disbanded, outsourcing has now been spun off, and 
some marketing reps are still prone to hyperbole.

Art Gutowski


On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 12:17:36 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:


Yes, like any other outsourcing and time-sharing contract, you need to define 
your requirements before committing to it, and that includes license issues.  
It's your responsibility to include what you need in the contract, but I would 
be very surprised if IBM was unable to deal with 3rd party software.


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Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?

[Art Gutowski]

I wouldn't be.  Maybe no problem with licensing, but support is another matter. 
 If it's not their product, how would they know?  They don't license other ISV 
products internally, so all learning is in the field, or "handled" by 
sub-contracting out the work (as we often did in ITS), or by buying out the 
customer's IT staff (as they often did in Outsourcing).  If that didn't work, 
or if it broke down, due to repeated downsizing and/or waves of voluntary 
departures, IBM then "dealt with it" by attempting to convert off of ISVs to 
their own "equivalents" (FSVO, equivalents).  I lost count of how many times I 
asked, "the marketing rep told you it would do what, exactly?" 

Perhaps things have improved in the 15 years since I departed, but perhaps not, 
given that ITS has since been disbanded, outsourcing has now been spun off, and 
some marketing reps are still prone to hyperbole.

Art Gutowski


On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 12:17:36 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:

>Yes, like any other outsourcing and time-sharing contract, you need to define 
>your requirements before committing to it, and that includes license issues.  
>It's your responsibility to include what you need in the contract, but I would 
>be very surprised if IBM was unable to deal with 3rd party software.
>
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Re: [External] Re: access to 9-track reel tape drive

[Pommier, Rex]

We went through this a couple years ago with a bunch of 3480/3490 tapes and had 
a LOT of tape checks resulting from bad spots on the media.  I'd actually be 
surprised if you can get much usable info off 3420 type tapes.  

If you can't find a reasonably priced service, you could check with Overland 
Data.  At some point they sold a desktop 9 track drive that was compatible with 
3420 style tapes.  At a prior site, when we eliminated the 3420s we purchased 
one of these to allow us to get to the occasional 6250 bpi tape.

Good luck,
Rex

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Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 10:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [External] Re: access to 9-track reel tape drive

There are such services available, GIYF.
Note: usually the service is to copy dataset from tape to some contemporary 
medium like USB stick.
No conversion, etc.

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Lodz, Poland



W dniu 03.06.2021 o 04:56, Mark S Waterbury pisze:
> Does anyone know of anyone in (or near) Central Florida (private individual 
> or company) with a working mainframe compatible 9-track tape drive capable of 
> reading tape reels recorded at 1600 or 6250 BPI density?
>
> I have a number of old tapes that need to be copied and archived, for 
> "posterity."
>
> Please advise.
>
> Feel free to reply privately if you prefer.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Mark S. Waterbury
>
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Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Why Would COPYSRVH Cause a 1M Page Demtion [Internal]

[Crawford, Robert C.]

It's not a huge performance issue but it should definitely be cleaned up.  I'll 
submit an RFE and Share requirement.  We'll see who wants to jump on the 
bandwagon.

Thanks again.

Robert Crawford
Mainframe Management
United Services Automobile Association
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Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 9:14 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Why Would COPYSRVH Cause a 1M Page Demtion [Internal]

IBM takes formal customer requests into account. If you need it, then it is in 
your best interest to submit a formal requirements and to ask others to endorse 
it, whether that be a direct RFE or a SHARE requirement. It's really a win-win 
proposition; it helps you and it helps IBM.


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Jim,

Thank you for the explanation.  It is WAD (working as designed).

Do I need to submit a formal requirement or is being on the list sufficient?

Thanks again.

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Mulder
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:53 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Why Would COPYSRVH Cause a 1M Page Demtion [Internal]

Here's what happened:

Apar: OA41307
Abstract: FORK FAILURE WHEN ADDRESS SPACE OWNS 1MEG PAGES Closed Date: 13/02/23 
RSM support for FORK copies high virtual memory objects from the parent address 
space to the child as part of duplicating the parent process' address space. 
However, the request currently fails if the parent process owns high virtual 
that consists of one megabyte pages.

PROBLEM CONCLUSION:

TEMPORARY FIX:
*
* HIPER *
*

COMMENTS:
All pageable 1M pages in the parent address space will be demoted to 4k pages 
and copied into the child address space.


  The easiest and safest solution for the APAR was to simply demote the source 
1MB pages so the the existing code could then handle them.  Over the years, RSM 
has changed other functions to reduce the number of cases where demotion is 
done. For example, z/OS 2.2 avoids demotion when possible for PGSER FIX. and 
z/OS 2.3 tries to avoid demotion when
IARV64 PAGEFIX  fixes a portion of a 1MB page.  Unfortunately, ForkCopy slipped 
through the cracks.  As a result of your question, it is being added to the 
list of things to look at for a future release.

Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test  IBM Corp.
Poughkeepsie NY


"IBM Mainframe Discussion List"  wrote on
06/02/2021 04:49:14 PM:

> From: "Crawford, Robert C."
<01feadb2c2d2-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date: 06/02/2021 10:35 PM
> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Why Would COPYSRVH Cause a 1M Page Demtion 
> [Internal] Sent by: "IBM Mainframe Discussion List"
> 
>
> Here is the full trace.  I'll gladly accept any help in interpreting.
>
> Sorry about the bad formatting.
>
> SYS5  SGTDEM64  0063  12:44:53.270019  Demote 1M 64 bit page
>  FUNC1... COPYSRVH  High Virtual Copy Service
>  JOBN1... ZUMCCMG1 ASID1... 0215 PLOCKS.. 8800C001 CPU.
> 0006
>  JOBN2... ZUMCCMG3 ASID2... 022D RLOCKS.. 8800C001 RLOCKDET
> 0800 ADASID.. 0215 XMASID.. 022D CMASID.. 
> STASID.. 
>  KEY. 0036 ADDR 035E1008 ALET 
>  70207520 C710
>  KEY. 009A ADDR 035E22B0 ALET 
>  035E22F8      0100
>       
>   
>  
>  KEY. 009B ADDR 035E22F8 ALET 
>  0001 0103 7FF74D38 04134B00 003B E5398D00 
>    0050 1A00  
>   
>  
>
>
> Robert Crawford
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Re: access to 9-track reel tape drive

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

There are such services available, GIYF.
Note: usually the service is to copy dataset from tape to some 
contemporary medium like USB stick.

No conversion, etc.

--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland



W dniu 03.06.2021 o 04:56, Mark S Waterbury pisze:

Does anyone know of anyone in (or near) Central Florida (private individual or 
company) with a working mainframe compatible 9-track tape drive capable of 
reading tape reels recorded at 1600 or 6250 BPI density?

I have a number of old tapes that need to be copied and archived, for 
"posterity."

Please advise.

Feel free to reply privately if you prefer.

Thanks in advance.

Mark S. Waterbury

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Re: zPDT question

[Seymour J Metz]

IBM has to be careful not to say anything that could be construed as a legal 
commitment. IIf they aren't investigating resource to test and support it, then 
the best you are likely to get is

 "No customers have told us it doesn't work."
"Some customers have told us that it works; we don't know whether it works 
for other customers or whether it will continue to work."

If it works, it might stop working as the result of, e.g., new virtual or real 
drivers.


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Lionel B. Dyck [lbd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 3:34 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: zPDT question

Thanks for all the responses - I asked on the suggested forum and was told that 
they have no plans to do anything special for WSL (but they didn't answer the 
question of if it would work or not).

So has anyone tried zPDT under WSL?

Thanks


Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: 
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1-biGLy_Z_xx1cLjLRv_lZwpaoD4ipwzzdWoeTYs7HyT33sGcE-Mnbs4_VLb5lF7W0Fv27KoTBoUL_qozq0A-e0mjlN9I-oBkWwemYsOZNXZuzVf_be-jQrOwzcoFek8E0ACSR0XfBwnbyBSGgu4zIV0l08J0TCgR98xGm5wLLK0DCHHiNXtNnY_JyA1FEPbhtIuRyRD4jJ8jqgXK_LbjCpP7bRMytYz1U8zrja5kk0GTgR0-vKtKlh9jKKhLK2UZDYILsjFd5mjGK0viXpUng8hj0ZSvIhF5rmjl_MmgPY2FWEFgJbltLKXeA5CrbLbAS4A4CFN6ViTeagCJ2GeHCQLgfin1QNEoVhKje9V5OGsAF0dJ0Mm9d-7j4lnNGkOXXiKjystnHh5x-BiL4LZ0igR8KO08cOckOI64DUWNdtPuq8MfzOO7m5sTt8XXNC7q/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbdsoftware.com
Github: 
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1Lq73Rl7RoOjdk-z-AC1Lo9-uJpJ35LmMkDtFe2nNsZZHJTVFuzmRcWdJk8UdAABScIqcPB5YhWzia502wHDXqagxrg3NSx-Awit6tMRGckgnFCh4bo2TfQremdKmmpuw1B-Vj0h8Duwj7aZZbgNH6bhiLY8VLxCPDfRjxACeGMMIKtmNBmw08RHT3hgQK-Da_hJs7djUT0jrnR0Ci3BNg9XwTx0caITAOj_MDMx8EA3Bxd4XDlWxGG9wARmX6Zx7y0R7Xr-TXy8LAV56xbM9fNErP2-s4VWRxZu_J3SvgHkbpDlnh_QcYbmams3Xn5U-wWdeDHyy_XDL9ek-bUI2E4X8qJ31vwx6WR5dA_xyAn5B7ruXNV9lwK0V32sMYuiobZQvWMWrRGHaqSgJzkQDBpQLynHA3aASEUAJu033ItfKt8iGrz2eu-uItv9_q8L6/https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Flbdyck

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are, reputation merely what others think you are.”   - - - John Wooden

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Wendell Lovewell
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:00 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: zPDT question

Ubuntu 18.04 LTS was and is just fine, but it'd be my guess you're not going to 
have success with Windows in between it and the hardware.  But 
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1NbVVe_WWO6Bh2t-dvbZ1l6NDT39eczMbRRJIIhNmEJ6gA8xQV-s0qcQux6iIN-g4gp8QLt9FBPsIiil4gR3B4mC9ovKL-181-lWda3gcSKV7Z0ZWk8ti40N19yY3S2cmQteXHXEIIUWUJBqiC5f5xTaQEpe0-iOm7s1hDHmlYPO5Q7HYQgt8h5o05R_LUAY6sfRGeoY7KCaQB4MaQ6AsfvnJMpjRpKqOTKqzFH1_tMZC2hU6QyWJa2U-C1l-fgm6ZDJw2PrUxkIXiZRwe4ryUXzeU8wK0LDWfraGTh4mYyB4cNtivgh86Q6ErG13WQr8S3xZ5VHuE_b5dt7i_wOSUHM_SHaFOAM_9G-6NwqAelJyv9II0Cm6R6V_UcXC1KESZRXggtpsdvr73PW8ev8mRU5LWLKXKoqBHV3EMvvSOPVPy5pH6tgsDP0z6jec5ZTb1eng3ci89uRQQ72uQW9v2w/https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.io%2Fg%2FzPDT
 is the place to be told that for certain.

Wendell

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Looking for help with the HMC API

[ITschak Mugzach]

I am trying to collect the values of the controls on the "Customize Product
Engineering Access" screen. There are two controls I am interested with:

   1. Is product engineering access is enabled or disabled.
   2. is the remote product engineering access is enabled or disabled.

I am able to access task hmc-service-representative-tasks, but this a
deadend. it does not have URIs to the required data.

Itschak

ITschak Mugzach
*|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring
for z/OS, x/Linux & IBM I **| z/VM coming soon  *

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Re: access to 9-track reel tape drive

[Seymour J Metz]

What interface do you need, e.g., SATA, SCSI? Should they also contact you 
about 18-track or 36-track drives?


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Mark S Waterbury [01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:56 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: access to 9-track reel tape drive

Does anyone know of anyone in (or near) Central Florida (private individual or 
company) with a working mainframe compatible 9-track tape drive capable of 
reading tape reels recorded at 1600 or 6250 BPI density?

I have a number of old tapes that need to be copied and archived, for 
"posterity."

Please advise.

Feel free to reply privately if you prefer.

Thanks in advance.

Mark S. Waterbury

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Re: SMPE query - ALIAS/MALIAS

[Kurt Quackenbush]

On 6/2/2021 10:43 AM, Binyamin Dissen wrote:

Ops. My mistake - they are aliases. I forgot how ISPF shows them.

As a side point, why does the RELFILE need the alias? Can't the apply process
assign them?
Why?  That's just the way APPLY works.  I don't know what the original 
design point was many years ago, but APPLY does not create aliases for 
elements copied from RELFILEs.


Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development
Chuck Norris never uses CHECK when he applies PTFs.

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Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Why Would COPYSRVH Cause a 1M Page Demtion [Internal]

[Seymour J Metz]

IBM takes formal customer requests into account. If you need it, then it is in 
your best interest to submit a formal requirements and to ask others to endorse 
it, whether that be a direct RFE or a SHARE requirement. It's really a win-win 
proposition; it helps you and it helps IBM.


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Crawford, Robert C. [01feadb2c2d2-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 9:12 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Why Would COPYSRVH Cause a 1M Page Demtion [Internal]

Jim,

Thank you for the explanation.  It is WAD (working as designed).

Do I need to submit a formal requirement or is being on the list sufficient?

Thanks again.

Robert Crawford
Mainframe Management
United Services Automobile Association
(210) 913-3822

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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of Jim 
Mulder
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:53 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Why Would COPYSRVH Cause a 1M Page Demtion [Internal]

Here's what happened:

Apar: OA41307
Abstract: FORK FAILURE WHEN ADDRESS SPACE OWNS 1MEG PAGES Closed Date: 13/02/23 
RSM support for FORK copies high virtual memory objects from the parent address 
space to the child as part of duplicating the parent process' address space. 
However, the request currently fails if the parent process owns high virtual 
that consists of one megabyte pages.

PROBLEM CONCLUSION:

TEMPORARY FIX:
*
* HIPER *
*

COMMENTS:
All pageable 1M pages in the parent address space will be demoted to 4k pages 
and copied into the child address space.


  The easiest and safest solution for the APAR was to simply demote the source 
1MB pages so the the existing code could then handle them.  Over the years, RSM 
has changed other functions to reduce the number of cases where demotion is 
done. For example, z/OS 2.2 avoids demotion when possible for PGSER FIX. and 
z/OS 2.3 tries to avoid demotion when
IARV64 PAGEFIX  fixes a portion of a 1MB page.  Unfortunately, ForkCopy slipped 
through the cracks.  As a result of your question, it is being added to the 
list of things to look at for a future release.

Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test  IBM Corp.
Poughkeepsie NY


"IBM Mainframe Discussion List"  wrote on
06/02/2021 04:49:14 PM:

> From: "Crawford, Robert C."
<01feadb2c2d2-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date: 06/02/2021 10:35 PM
> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Why Would COPYSRVH Cause a 1M Page Demtion
> [Internal] Sent by: "IBM Mainframe Discussion List"
> 
>
> Here is the full trace.  I'll gladly accept any help in interpreting.
>
> Sorry about the bad formatting.
>
> SYS5  SGTDEM64  0063  12:44:53.270019  Demote 1M 64 bit page
>  FUNC1... COPYSRVH  High Virtual Copy Service
>  JOBN1... ZUMCCMG1 ASID1... 0215 PLOCKS.. 8800C001 CPU.
> 0006
>  JOBN2... ZUMCCMG3 ASID2... 022D RLOCKS.. 8800C001 RLOCKDET
> 0800 ADASID.. 0215 XMASID.. 022D CMASID.. 
> STASID.. 
>  KEY. 0036 ADDR 035E1008 ALET 
>  70207520 C710
>  KEY. 009A ADDR 035E22B0 ALET 
>  035E22F8      0100
>       
>   
>  
>  KEY. 009B ADDR 035E22F8 ALET 
>  0001 0103 7FF74D38 04134B00 003B E5398D00 
>    0050 1A00  
>   
>  
>
>
> Robert Crawford
> Mainframe Management
> United Services Automobile Association
> (210) 913-3822




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Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Why Would COPYSRVH Cause a 1M Page Demtion [Internal]

[Crawford, Robert C.]

Jim,

Thank you for the explanation.  It is WAD (working as designed).

Do I need to submit a formal requirement or is being on the list sufficient?

Thanks again.

Robert Crawford
Mainframe Management
United Services Automobile Association
(210) 913-3822

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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of Jim 
Mulder
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:53 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Why Would COPYSRVH Cause a 1M Page Demtion [Internal]

Here's what happened:

Apar: OA41307
Abstract: FORK FAILURE WHEN ADDRESS SPACE OWNS 1MEG PAGES Closed Date: 13/02/23 
RSM support for FORK copies high virtual memory objects from the parent address 
space to the child as part of duplicating the parent process' address space. 
However, the request currently fails if the parent process owns high virtual 
that consists of one megabyte pages.

PROBLEM CONCLUSION:

TEMPORARY FIX:
*
* HIPER *
*

COMMENTS:
All pageable 1M pages in the parent address space will be demoted to 4k pages 
and copied into the child address space.


  The easiest and safest solution for the APAR was to simply demote the source 
1MB pages so the the existing code could then handle them.  Over the years, RSM 
has changed other functions to reduce the number of cases where demotion is 
done. For example, z/OS 2.2 avoids demotion when possible for PGSER FIX. and 
z/OS 2.3 tries to avoid demotion when
IARV64 PAGEFIX  fixes a portion of a 1MB page.  Unfortunately, ForkCopy slipped 
through the cracks.  As a result of your question, it is being added to the 
list of things to look at for a future release. 
 
Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test  IBM Corp. 
Poughkeepsie NY


"IBM Mainframe Discussion List"  wrote on
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> From: "Crawford, Robert C." 
<01feadb2c2d2-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date: 06/02/2021 10:35 PM
> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Why Would COPYSRVH Cause a 1M Page Demtion 
> [Internal] Sent by: "IBM Mainframe Discussion List" 
> 
> 
> Here is the full trace.  I'll gladly accept any help in interpreting.
> 
> Sorry about the bad formatting.
> 
> SYS5  SGTDEM64  0063  12:44:53.270019  Demote 1M 64 bit page  
>  FUNC1... COPYSRVH  High Virtual Copy Service  
>  JOBN1... ZUMCCMG1 ASID1... 0215 PLOCKS.. 8800C001 CPU. 
> 0006  
>  JOBN2... ZUMCCMG3 ASID2... 022D RLOCKS.. 8800C001 RLOCKDET 
> 0800 ADASID.. 0215 XMASID.. 022D CMASID..  
> STASID..  
>  KEY. 0036 ADDR 035E1008 ALET   
>  70207520 C710  
>  KEY. 009A ADDR 035E22B0 ALET   
>  035E22F8      0100
>       
>   
>    
>  KEY. 009B ADDR 035E22F8 ALET   
>  0001 0103 7FF74D38 04134B00 003B E5398D00 
>    0050 1A00  
>   
>  
> 
> 
> Robert Crawford
> Mainframe Management
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Re: access to 9-track reel tape drive

[Steve Horein]

Maybe Iron Mountain?

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:56 PM Mark S Waterbury <
01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Does anyone know of anyone in (or near) Central Florida (private
> individual or company) with a working mainframe compatible 9-track tape
> drive capable of reading tape reels recorded at 1600 or 6250 BPI density?
>
> I have a number of old tapes that need to be copied and archived, for
> "posterity."
>
> Please advise.
>
> Feel free to reply privately if you prefer.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Mark S. Waterbury
>
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Re: IEAMDBLG. Filter by SYSNAME

[Ravi Gaur]

Anthony, Do you see if it could be shared further ? looking to have similar 
function performed on operlog given we have different time zones involved in 
operlog and filter will help.

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Re: zPDT question

[Colin Paice]

ZD installed fine on Ubuntu 18.04 for me.   The biggest problem was IBM
Passport advantage and trying to find the software.  For example
IBM Z Development and Test Environment Personal Edition 13.1 Installation
Multilingual eAssembly (G00DDDE)

says "Red Hat Entrprs Linx RHEL Base Srvr" and not Ubuntu.
Passport advantage website is poor - eg if you want to change your
selection there is no "Back" button on the page, so you have to start "from
the top" again.  I despair trying to use it, and waste so much time.
Colin

On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 at 08:59, Sebastian Welton  wrote:

> Not quite true. ZD only supports RHEL and Ubuntu as that is what the
> installer checks for. If you look at the current Redbook for zPDT you will
> see that the installer contains:
>
> The Red Hat (RHEL, Fedora) version of zPDT.
> The Novell (SLES, openSUSE) version of zPDT
> The Ubuntu version of zPDT.
>
> If you look at the chapter on releases you will see where they tested and
> although there are formal and informal test, OpenSUSE is informally tested
> and then again, zPDT doesn't have any support anyway so theoretically, if
> you can get it working, you can run it on any Linux distro. I personally
> primarily only use OpenSUSE but did try CentOS which was fine until they
> became a rolling release (like Tumbleweed) and Ubuntu was just rubbish. I'm
> currently running some RHEL systems which seem to be fine as well.
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 17:04:15 -0400, Tom Conley 
> wrote:
>
> >On 6/1/2021 4:52 PM, Itschak Mugzach wrote:
> >> Best place to ask is z...@groups.io. The system requirement was
> enterprise
> >> Linux few years ago. We use (free) Centos.
> >>
> >> בתאריך יום ג׳, 1 ביוני 2021 ב-23:30 מאת Lionel B. Dyck <
> lbd...@gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>> Does anyone know if a zPDT will run under Windows 10 WSL2 (Ubuntu) ?
> >>>
> >
> >Hi Lionel,
> >
> >The only supported Linux distributions for zPDT are RHEL and Ubuntu.
> >They will pry my OpenSUSE (which they used to support but pulled the
> >plug, even though they support SLES on the mainframe, HELLO McFLY,
> >HELLO!!) out of my cold dead hand.  Tried Ubuntu, it bricked my laptop,
> >had to do a bare metal restore back to OpenSUSE.  If you try Ubuntu, I
> >wish you luck.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Tom Conley
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Re: zPDT question

[Sebastian Welton]

Not quite true. ZD only supports RHEL and Ubuntu as that is what the 
installer checks for. If you look at the current Redbook for zPDT you will see 
that the installer contains:

The Red Hat (RHEL, Fedora) version of zPDT.
The Novell (SLES, openSUSE) version of zPDT
The Ubuntu version of zPDT.

If you look at the chapter on releases you will see where they tested and 
although there are formal and informal test, OpenSUSE is informally tested and 
then again, zPDT doesn't have any support anyway so theoretically, if you can 
get it working, you can run it on any Linux distro. I personally primarily only 
use OpenSUSE but did try CentOS which was fine until they became a rolling 
release (like Tumbleweed) and Ubuntu was just rubbish. I'm currently running 
some RHEL systems which seem to be fine as well.

Sebastian


On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 17:04:15 -0400, Tom Conley  wrote:

>On 6/1/2021 4:52 PM, Itschak Mugzach wrote:
>> Best place to ask is z...@groups.io. The system requirement was enterprise
>> Linux few years ago. We use (free) Centos.
>>
>> בתאריך יום ג׳, 1 ביוני 2021 ב-23:30 מאת Lionel B. Dyck :
>>
>>> Does anyone know if a zPDT will run under Windows 10 WSL2 (Ubuntu) ?
>>>
>
>Hi Lionel,
>
>The only supported Linux distributions for zPDT are RHEL and Ubuntu.
>They will pry my OpenSUSE (which they used to support but pulled the
>plug, even though they support SLES on the mainframe, HELLO McFLY,
>HELLO!!) out of my cold dead hand.  Tried Ubuntu, it bricked my laptop,
>had to do a bare metal restore back to OpenSUSE.  If you try Ubuntu, I
>wish you luck.
>
>Regards,
>Tom Conley
>
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