Re: Specifhing the ENVBLOCK (was: Just PDSE)

[Seymour J Metz]

The point is that while lookup only involves a chain, nothing in the 
documentation even hints that validation only involves the chain for the 
current TCB.


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Attila Fogarasi 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 7:42 PM
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Subject: Re: Specifhing the ENVBLOCK (was: Just PDSE)

Separate chains per TCB, so linear chain within TCB but no correlation
between TCBs.  Programs that use conflicting or incompatible environments
across multiple TCBs are on their own :)

On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 10:54 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> "However, separate chains within a single address space are independent."
> doesn't sound like a single chain.
>
> 
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> Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2023 5:16 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Specifhing the ENVBLOCK (was: Just PDSE)
>
> On Sun, 9 Apr 2023 20:41:33 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
> >Curse you, OCO!
> >
> >I suspect that validating a potential ENVB address requires running a
> tree rather than just a list.
> >
> <
> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.5.0?topic=environments-chains-how-are-located
> >
> shows only linear chains.  So there can't be other kids of trees.
>
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Re: Specifhing the ENVBLOCK (was: Just PDSE)

[Attila Fogarasi]

Separate chains per TCB, so linear chain within TCB but no correlation
between TCBs.  Programs that use conflicting or incompatible environments
across multiple TCBs are on their own :)

On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 10:54 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> "However, separate chains within a single address space are independent."
> doesn't sound like a single chain.
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
> of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2023 5:16 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Specifhing the ENVBLOCK (was: Just PDSE)
>
> On Sun, 9 Apr 2023 20:41:33 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
> >Curse you, OCO!
> >
> >I suspect that validating a potential ENVB address requires running a
> tree rather than just a list.
> >
> <
> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.5.0?topic=environments-chains-how-are-located
> >
> shows only linear chains.  So there can't be other kids of trees.
>
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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Phil Smith III]

And because curiosity is a thing and so is the Interwebs, I looked re Ice
Pirates and this review supports what I'd heard. That doesn't make it true,
but increases the odds:
https://fictionmachine.com/2018/02/13/review-the-ice-pirates-1984/
(Yes, we're a wee bit off-topic, although arguing epistemology with a bomb
kinda qualifies)

Bob, if you do check out Dark Star, it would be interesting to hear your
reaction. Going into it expecting a serious movie would have been a mistake!




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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Bob Bridges]

Ah.  As a comedy I judge it much less harshly :).

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Phil Smith III
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 14:29

Bob, it was a comedy. And a great one-I saw it first-run or thereabouts and
have VERY fond memories of it. Opening scene, which first Star Wars movie
kind of borrowed, has the ship moving majestically across the screen. Then
it just.stops. 

Dark Star I'm sure was meant to be funny; I remember a rumor that Ice
Pirates was supposed to be a serious science fiction movie, and that partway
through filming, someone looked at the rushes and said "This had better be a
comedy", so they made it into one.

--- Bob Bridges wrote:
>Wow, that looks REALLY bad! Even for 1974. 

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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[rpinion865]

The first time I saw it on Tubi, I quit after 10 minutes.  A few months later, 
I was really bored, and decided to watch it again.  The second time, I watched 
it to the end.  It really is cheesy.  But that is what makes it funny.  You 
really have to love their alien :)




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On Wednesday, April 12th, 2023 at 2:28 PM, Phil Smith III  
wrote:


> Bob Bridges wrote:
> 
> > Wow, that looks REALLY bad! Even for 1974.
> 
> 
> Bob, it was a comedy. And a great one-I saw it first-run or thereabouts and
> have VERY fond memories of it. Opening scene, which first Star Wars movie
> kind of borrowed, has the ship moving majestically across the screen. Then
> it just.stops.
> 
> Dark Star I'm sure was meant to be funny; I remember a rumor that Ice
> Pirates was supposed to be a serious science fiction movie, and that partway
> through filming, someone looked at the rushes and said "This had better be a
> comedy", so they made it into one.
> 
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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Phil Smith III]

Bob Bridges wrote:
>Wow, that looks REALLY bad! Even for 1974. 

Bob, it was a comedy. And a great one-I saw it first-run or thereabouts and
have VERY fond memories of it. Opening scene, which first Star Wars movie
kind of borrowed, has the ship moving majestically across the screen. Then
it just.stops. 

Dark Star I'm sure was meant to be funny; I remember a rumor that Ice
Pirates was supposed to be a serious science fiction movie, and that partway
through filming, someone looked at the rushes and said "This had better be a
comedy", so they made it into one.


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Re: What is BPXAS and how do I make them stop piling up?

[Charles Mills]

New developer.

I'm an FTP and TN3270 kind of a guy. The young 'uns are more ssh,

On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 10:50:21 -0500, Erik Janssen  wrote:

>I'm not sure how important your system is, but the example you send indicates 
>that the bpxas is running on behalf a ssh session. If most of the bpxas 
>address spaces are running for ssh, you might want to investigate why you 
>suddenly see an increase of ssh sessions coming into your system.

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Re: eliminate use of id(0)

[Joel C. Ewing]

Even on native Linux these days Security-Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is 
being used increasingly to limit the need for system or service 
processes to run as UID 0 by allowing a much more granular granting of 
access to filesystem and other resources.  One of the things that 
attracted me, a former RACF admin, to Fedora Linux was its early support 
for SELinux; although there are still Fedora users that choose to run 
with SELinux in "disabled" mode to avoid dealing with any issues SELinux 
can cause:  Unlike RACF, there are default categorization of resources 
and default access policies that are embedded with the system and 
system-level application installation with the intent of providing 
reasonable protections with no additional post-installation 
customization.  Unfortunately those defaults are sometimes in error for 
specific applications, and most users with a personal Linux system just 
for running common user applications would have no clue how to diagnose 
or resolve SELinux problems.   Sometimes the maintenance people for 
those applications have no clue either, because they personally run with 
SELinux disabled and whoever understood SELinux well enough to set up 
the SELinux defaults for the application is no longer available.


One would hope that by now RACF would at least have the ability to 
permit the same level of granularity of access as SELinux provides in 
native Linux.  With better control over long-term development goals, it 
should be easier to push for avoidance of UID 0 requirements in z/OS 
than in the Linux universe, where individuals on multiple volunteer 
maintenance teams must first be convinced to support running with 
SELinux in "enforcing" mode.


    Joel C. Ewing

On 4/11/23 14:22, Rick Troth wrote:

Find out what they're trying to do "as superuser".
Based on the hint you provide, that it's an FTP-like product, the 
requirement might be for authentication and/or authorization. In 
traditional Unix environments, that's a legitimate use of UID 0 (even 
though, yeah, too much authority to the application). But on z/OS 
there are safer ways to perform authentication (and/or authorization).


It's frustrating to hear about this. The demand for UID 0 and related 
privilege escalations has led to all sorts of countermeasures, most of 
which have created additional problems.


I run most services each under their own service account.
There are too many ways to selectively escalate for mention in this 
email.
Find out what this vendor really needs. They're going to have to tell 
you. It's fair for you to tell them "no UID(0)".


-- R; <><


On 4/11/23 15:06, Colin Paice wrote:

I've been reviewing someone's (ftp like) product documentation, and they
say that the userid that runs their product needs id(0) to be able to 
run.
This feels like giving too much authority to the userid.  Is there a 
better

way of defining the userid and its access to resources to be able to
eliminate the need for  id(0)?
Colin
...


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SMT usage.

[Massimo Biancucci]

Hi everybody,

I'm wondering if anybody of you has configured processor SMT and if has got
any measure about any difference (gain ?).

Thanks a lot in advance.
Max


Privo
di virus.www.avast.com

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Bob Bridges]

Wow, that looks REALLY bad!  Even for 1974.  I don't suppose the movie ever 
explained what "unstable" means in this context and why anyone cares?

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lot of careless taxpayers would have simply paid this bill, but this man had 
the presence of mind to question it, and as a result he will be eligible for 
parole in just 224 years. ¶ No, seriously, he got it straightened out.  The 
Post article doesn't say exactly how; my guess is that he will be allowed to 
make two easy payments of $34 billion.  -from "The Revenuers are Coming!" by 
Dave Barry */

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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 08:41

Here's the trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwISbJfRNz0

--- Original Message ---
On Wednesday, April 12th, 2023 at 8:25 AM, rpinion865 wrote:
>
> Also, please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Star_(film)
> 
> "The bomb, having learned Cartesian doubt, trusts only itself. It is 
> convinced that only it exists, and that its sole purpose in life is to 
> explode, and it does so. Dark Star is destroyed"
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> On Wednesday, April 12th, 2023 at 8:23 AM, rpinion865 wrote:
> 
> > I tried to find a movie clip. But, this is the best I could find. I suggest 
> > watching the movie to get the full effect. The ending is really way, way 
> > out
> > 
> > "The Evil Computer: The computer (or Thermostellar Triggering Device) 
> > aboard the space ship Dark Star is responsible for destroying unstable 
> > planets at the behest of Sergeant Pinback (Dan O'Bannon) by deploying 
> > nuclear bombs.
> > 
> > Annoyingly, the ship's computer is damaged and decides that the Dark Star 
> > itself is fit for bombing. The crew attempt to reason with Bomb #20, which 
> > refuses to be convinced otherwise."

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[rpinion865]

Here's the trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwISbJfRNz0




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--- Original Message ---
On Wednesday, April 12th, 2023 at 8:25 AM, rpinion865 
<042a019916dd-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:


> Also, please see
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Star_(film)
> 
> "The bomb, having learned Cartesian doubt, trusts only itself. It is 
> convinced that only it exists, and that its sole purpose in life is to 
> explode, and it does so. Dark Star is destroyed"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> 
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> On Wednesday, April 12th, 2023 at 8:23 AM, rpinion865 
> 042a019916dd-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > I tried to find a movie clip. But, this is the best I could find. I suggest 
> > watching the movie to get the full effect. The ending is really way, way 
> > out
> > 
> > "The Evil Computer: The computere (or Thermostellar Triggering Device) 
> > aboard the space ship Dark Star is responsible for destroying unstable 
> > planets at the behest of Sergeant Pinback (Dan O'Bannon) by deploying 
> > nuclear bombs.
> > 
> > Annoyingly, the ship's computer is damaged and decides that the Dark Star 
> > itself is fit for bombing. The crew attempt to reason with Bomb #20, which 
> > refuses to be convinced otherwise."
> > 
> > Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> > 
> > --- Original Message ---
> > On Wednesday, April 12th, 2023 at 7:52 AM, Bill Hitefield 
> > bill.hitefi...@dino-software.com wrote:
> > 
> > > Yep. To quote Kirk: "We've got them right where they want us."
> > > 
> > > Bill Hitefield
> > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> > > > Behalf Of Tom Brennan
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 12:06 AM
> > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?
> > > > 
> > > > "Compute to the last digit, the value of pi."
> > > > https://www.i/
> > > > mdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708491%2Freference%2F=05%7C01%7CBill.Hitefi
> > > > eld%40DINO-
> > > > SOFTWARE.COM%7C6911c35781664161929f08db3b0b590f%7Cbe5c5b1debb34
> > > > 3f3a3641e98fd405647%7C0%7C0%7C638168692151742793%7CUnknown%7CT
> > > > WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXV
> > > > CI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=RWXDCYObUEbzXO%2FEVAFr45uSgxj
> > > > MWv00%2F9CW4n0zXik%3D=0
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe we shouldn't post these defensive methods since AI is watching.
> > > > 
> > > > On 4/11/2023 8:44 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Return Of The Archons
> > > > > https://www/.
> > > > 
> > > > imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708476%2F=05%7C01%7CBill.Hitefield%40DINO-
> > > > S
> > > > 
> > > > OFTWARE.COM%7C6911c35781664161929f08db3b0b590f%7Cbe5c5b1debb343
> > > > f3a3641
> > > > 
> > > > e98fd405647%7C0%7C0%7C638168692151742793%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZs
> > > > b3d8eyJWI
> > > > 
> > > > joiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C300
> > > > 0%7
> > > > 
> > > > C%7C%7C=lBhJzv%2BMXa7yL91qLJzEwkFMxUFZgTx1oDFPuCv2NyA%3D
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > d=0 Captain Kirk shuts down computer after 6,000 years of running a
> > > > > society.
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 7:34 PM Dale R. Smith
> > > > > dale-sm...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:22:53 +, Dave Barry dba...@ups.com wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Sorry, Dave. I can't do that.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> > > > > > > Behalf Of rpinion865
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 10:22 AM
> > > > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > CAUTION! This email originated outside of the organization. 
> > > > > > > Please do not
> > > > > > > open attachments or click links from an unknown or suspicious 
> > > > > > > origin.
> > > > 
> > > > =
> > > > ===
> > > > 
> > > > > > > == And, no one mentions the HAL 9000???
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Before HAL:
> > > > > > TOS S2.E24 March 8, 1968 - The Ultimate Computer
> > > > > > https://www/
> > > > 
> > > > .imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708481%2F%3Fref_%3Dfn_tt_tt_1=05%7C01%7
> > > > CB
> > > > 
> > > > > > ill.Hitefield%40DINO-
> > > > > > SOFTWARE.COM%7C6911c35781664161929f08db3b0b590f%
> > > > 
> > > > 7Cbe5c5b1debb343f3a3641e98fd405647%7C0%7C0%7C638168692151898998
> > > > %7CUnk
> > > > 
> > > > nown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1h
> > > > aW
> > > > 
> > > > wiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=AMOPd9rbDkzlWF97OHSNfg
> > > > rsAl6Kgf
> > > > 
> > > > > > inEUf9GkTOk5s%3D=0
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Dale R. Smith
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -
> > > > > > - For 

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[rpinion865]

Also, please see

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Star_(film)

"The bomb, having learned Cartesian doubt, trusts only itself. It is convinced 
that only it exists, and that its sole purpose in life is to explode, and it 
does so. Dark Star is destroyed"




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--- Original Message ---
On Wednesday, April 12th, 2023 at 8:23 AM, rpinion865 
<042a019916dd-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:


> I tried to find a movie clip. But, this is the best I could find. I suggest 
> watching the movie to get the full effect. The ending is really way, way 
> out
> 
> "The Evil Computer: The computere (or Thermostellar Triggering Device) aboard 
> the space ship Dark Star is responsible for destroying unstable planets at 
> the behest of Sergeant Pinback (Dan O'Bannon) by deploying nuclear bombs.
> 
> Annoyingly, the ship's computer is damaged and decides that the Dark Star 
> itself is fit for bombing. The crew attempt to reason with Bomb #20, which 
> refuses to be convinced otherwise."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> 
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> On Wednesday, April 12th, 2023 at 7:52 AM, Bill Hitefield 
> bill.hitefi...@dino-software.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > Yep. To quote Kirk: "We've got them right where they want us."
> > 
> > Bill Hitefield
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> > > Behalf Of Tom Brennan
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 12:06 AM
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?
> > > 
> > > "Compute to the last digit, the value of pi."
> > > https://www.i/
> > > mdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708491%2Freference%2F=05%7C01%7CBill.Hitefi
> > > eld%40DINO-
> > > SOFTWARE.COM%7C6911c35781664161929f08db3b0b590f%7Cbe5c5b1debb34
> > > 3f3a3641e98fd405647%7C0%7C0%7C638168692151742793%7CUnknown%7CT
> > > WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXV
> > > CI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=RWXDCYObUEbzXO%2FEVAFr45uSgxj
> > > MWv00%2F9CW4n0zXik%3D=0
> > > 
> > > Maybe we shouldn't post these defensive methods since AI is watching.
> > > 
> > > On 4/11/2023 8:44 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Return Of The Archons
> > > > https://www/.
> > > 
> > > imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708476%2F=05%7C01%7CBill.Hitefield%40DINO-
> > > S
> > > 
> > > OFTWARE.COM%7C6911c35781664161929f08db3b0b590f%7Cbe5c5b1debb343
> > > f3a3641
> > > 
> > > e98fd405647%7C0%7C0%7C638168692151742793%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZs
> > > b3d8eyJWI
> > > 
> > > joiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C300
> > > 0%7
> > > 
> > > C%7C%7C=lBhJzv%2BMXa7yL91qLJzEwkFMxUFZgTx1oDFPuCv2NyA%3D
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > d=0 Captain Kirk shuts down computer after 6,000 years of running a
> > > > society.
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 7:34 PM Dale R. Smith
> > > > dale-sm...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:22:53 +, Dave Barry dba...@ups.com wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Sorry, Dave. I can't do that.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> > > > > > Behalf Of rpinion865
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 10:22 AM
> > > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > CAUTION! This email originated outside of the organization. Please 
> > > > > > do not
> > > > > > open attachments or click links from an unknown or suspicious 
> > > > > > origin.
> > > 
> > > =
> > > ===
> > > 
> > > > > > == And, no one mentions the HAL 9000???
> > > > > 
> > > > > Before HAL:
> > > > > TOS S2.E24 March 8, 1968 - The Ultimate Computer
> > > > > https://www/
> > > 
> > > .imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708481%2F%3Fref_%3Dfn_tt_tt_1=05%7C01%7
> > > CB
> > > 
> > > > > ill.Hitefield%40DINO-
> > > > > SOFTWARE.COM%7C6911c35781664161929f08db3b0b590f%
> > > 
> > > 7Cbe5c5b1debb343f3a3641e98fd405647%7C0%7C0%7C638168692151898998
> > > %7CUnk
> > > 
> > > nown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1h
> > > aW
> > > 
> > > wiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=AMOPd9rbDkzlWF97OHSNfg
> > > rsAl6Kgf
> > > 
> > > > > inEUf9GkTOk5s%3D=0
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[rpinion865]

I tried to find a movie clip.  But, this is the best I could find.  I suggest 
watching the movie to get the full effect.  The ending is really way, way 
out

"The Evil Computer: The computere (or Thermostellar Triggering Device) aboard 
the space ship Dark Star is responsible for destroying unstable planets at the 
behest of Sergeant Pinback (Dan O'Bannon) by deploying nuclear bombs.

Annoyingly, the ship's computer is damaged and decides that the Dark Star 
itself is fit for bombing. The crew attempt to reason with Bomb #20, which 
refuses to be convinced otherwise."





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--- Original Message ---
On Wednesday, April 12th, 2023 at 7:52 AM, Bill Hitefield 
 wrote:


> Yep. To quote Kirk: "We've got them right where they want us."
> 
> Bill Hitefield
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> > Behalf Of Tom Brennan
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 12:06 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?
> > 
> > "Compute to the last digit, the value of pi."
> > https://www.i/
> > mdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708491%2Freference%2F=05%7C01%7CBill.Hitefi
> > eld%40DINO-
> > SOFTWARE.COM%7C6911c35781664161929f08db3b0b590f%7Cbe5c5b1debb34
> > 3f3a3641e98fd405647%7C0%7C0%7C638168692151742793%7CUnknown%7CT
> > WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXV
> > CI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=RWXDCYObUEbzXO%2FEVAFr45uSgxj
> > MWv00%2F9CW4n0zXik%3D=0
> > 
> > Maybe we shouldn't post these defensive methods since AI is watching.
> > 
> > On 4/11/2023 8:44 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
> > 
> > > Return Of The Archons
> > > https://www/.
> > 
> > imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708476%2F=05%7C01%7CBill.Hitefield%40DINO-
> > S
> > 
> > OFTWARE.COM%7C6911c35781664161929f08db3b0b590f%7Cbe5c5b1debb343
> > f3a3641
> > 
> > e98fd405647%7C0%7C0%7C638168692151742793%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZs
> > b3d8eyJWI
> > 
> > joiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C300
> > 0%7
> > 
> > C%7C%7C=lBhJzv%2BMXa7yL91qLJzEwkFMxUFZgTx1oDFPuCv2NyA%3D
> > 
> > 
> > > d=0 Captain Kirk shuts down computer after 6,000 years of running a
> > > society.
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 7:34 PM Dale R. Smith
> > > dale-sm...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:22:53 +, Dave Barry dba...@ups.com wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Sorry, Dave. I can't do that.
> > > > > 
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> > > > > Behalf Of rpinion865
> > > > > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 10:22 AM
> > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?
> > > > > 
> > > > > CAUTION! This email originated outside of the organization. Please do 
> > > > > not
> > > > > open attachments or click links from an unknown or suspicious origin.
> > 
> > =
> > ===
> > 
> > > > > == And, no one mentions the HAL 9000???
> > > > 
> > > > Before HAL:
> > > > TOS S2.E24 March 8, 1968 - The Ultimate Computer
> > > > https://www/
> > 
> > .imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708481%2F%3Fref_%3Dfn_tt_tt_1=05%7C01%7
> > CB
> > 
> > > > ill.Hitefield%40DINO-
> > > > SOFTWARE.COM%7C6911c35781664161929f08db3b0b590f%
> > 
> > 7Cbe5c5b1debb343f3a3641e98fd405647%7C0%7C0%7C638168692151898998
> > %7CUnk
> > 
> > nown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1h
> > aW
> > 
> > wiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=AMOPd9rbDkzlWF97OHSNfg
> > rsAl6Kgf
> > 
> > > > inEUf9GkTOk5s%3D=0
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > Dale R. Smith
> > > > 
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Re: eliminate use of id(0)

[Colin Paice]

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions.
I've suggested to the developers they use pthread_security_*applid*_np() so
they can pass userid/password or certificate and get the thread to run as
the userid.  I think this will eliminate the need to have id(0).
The applid is important so they can restrict users by ensuring the userid
had read access to the applid. (The default appl is OMVSAPPL).
I think for anything else they might need id(0) for, there is a  BPX.*
profile which should be used instead.
Colin

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 12:25, Robert S. Hansel (RSH) <
r.han...@rshconsulting.com> wrote:

> Hi Colin,
>
> What is the product? If you share this, perhaps someone who is familiar
> with the product and may have already addressed this issue can respond.
>
> Ask the vendor if access to FACILITY BPX or UNIXPRIV resources could be
> used in lieu of Superuser authority.
>
> Regards, Bob
>
> Robert S. Hansel
> Lead RACF Specialist
> RSH Consulting, Inc.  *** Celebrating our 30th Anniversary ***
> 617-969-8211
> www.linkedin.com/in/roberthansel
> www.rshconsulting.com
>
> -Original Message-
> Date:Tue, 11 Apr 2023 20:06:02 +0100
> From:Colin Paice 
> Subject: eliminate use of id(0)
>
> I've been reviewing someone's (ftp like) product documentation, and they
> say that the userid that runs their product needs id(0) to be able to run.
> This feels like giving too much authority to the userid.  Is there a better
> way of defining the userid and its access to resources to be able to
> eliminate the need for  id(0)?
> Colin
>
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Bill Hitefield]

Yep. To quote Kirk: "We've got them right where they want us."

Bill Hitefield


> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of Tom Brennan
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 12:06 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?
>
> "Compute to the last digit, the value of pi."
> https://www.i/
> mdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708491%2Freference%2F=05%7C01%7CBill.Hitefi
> eld%40DINO-
> SOFTWARE.COM%7C6911c35781664161929f08db3b0b590f%7Cbe5c5b1debb34
> 3f3a3641e98fd405647%7C0%7C0%7C638168692151742793%7CUnknown%7CT
> WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXV
> CI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=RWXDCYObUEbzXO%2FEVAFr45uSgxj
> MWv00%2F9CW4n0zXik%3D=0
>
> Maybe we shouldn't post these defensive methods since AI is watching.
>
> On 4/11/2023 8:44 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
> > Return Of The Archons
> > https://www/.
> >
> imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708476%2F=05%7C01%7CBill.Hitefield%40DINO-
> S
> >
> OFTWARE.COM%7C6911c35781664161929f08db3b0b590f%7Cbe5c5b1debb343
> f3a3641
> >
> e98fd405647%7C0%7C0%7C638168692151742793%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZs
> b3d8eyJWI
> >
> joiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C300
> 0%7
> >
> C%7C%7C=lBhJzv%2BMXa7yL91qLJzEwkFMxUFZgTx1oDFPuCv2NyA%3D
> 
> > d=0 Captain Kirk shuts down computer after 6,000 years of running a
> > society.
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 7:34 PM Dale R. Smith
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:22:53 +, Dave Barry  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sorry, Dave.  I can't do that.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> >>> Behalf Of rpinion865
> >>> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 10:22 AM
> >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> >>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?
> >>>
> >>> CAUTION! This email originated outside of the organization. Please do not
> open attachments or click links from an unknown or suspicious origin.
> >>>
> >>>
> =
> ===
> >>> == And, no one mentions the HAL 9000???
> >>
> >> Before HAL:
> >> TOS S2.E24 March 8, 1968 - The Ultimate Computer
> >> https://www/
> >>
> .imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708481%2F%3Fref_%3Dfn_tt_tt_1=05%7C01%7
> CB
> >> ill.Hitefield%40DINO-
> SOFTWARE.COM%7C6911c35781664161929f08db3b0b590f%
> >>
> 7Cbe5c5b1debb343f3a3641e98fd405647%7C0%7C0%7C638168692151898998
> %7CUnk
> >>
> nown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1h
> aW
> >>
> wiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=AMOPd9rbDkzlWF97OHSNfg
> rsAl6Kgf
> >> inEUf9GkTOk5s%3D=0
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
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Re: eliminate use of id(0)

[Robert S. Hansel (RSH)]

Hi Colin,

What is the product? If you share this, perhaps someone who is familiar with 
the product and may have already addressed this issue can respond.

Ask the vendor if access to FACILITY BPX or UNIXPRIV resources could be used in 
lieu of Superuser authority.

Regards, Bob

Robert S. Hansel
Lead RACF Specialist
RSH Consulting, Inc.  *** Celebrating our 30th Anniversary ***
617-969-8211
www.linkedin.com/in/roberthansel
www.rshconsulting.com

-Original Message-
Date:Tue, 11 Apr 2023 20:06:02 +0100
From:Colin Paice 
Subject: eliminate use of id(0)

I've been reviewing someone's (ftp like) product documentation, and they
say that the userid that runs their product needs id(0) to be able to run.
This feels like giving too much authority to the userid.  Is there a better
way of defining the userid and its access to resources to be able to
eliminate the need for  id(0)?
Colin

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