Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-24 Thread Seymour J Metz
While there is automatic upper casing for TSO command and subcommand names, there are still plenty of cases ;-) where case matters. Consider generating SYSIN for an IBM service aid or utility. Or generating edit subcommands with case-sensitive operands. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-24 Thread Seymour J Metz
then you must use, e.g., a literal. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Andrew Rowley Sent: Monday, April 22, 2024 8:59 PM To: IBM

Re: ooRexx forum?

2024-04-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
The rexxla-members list is a good place to start. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges <0587168ababf-dmarc-r

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
I'm not the who encountered it. I'd love to see the trace i output. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jon Perryman Sent

Re: S0c4 creation

2024-04-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
SLIP behaves differently for a program check converted to an ABEND. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Steve Thompson Sent

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
delete foo rather than 'DELETE' foo is a simple example. In practise I often need multiple upper case constants in a single expression. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From

Re: S0c4 creation

2024-04-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
IBM promised to never use opcode 00, and that's what I use when I want (E)SPIE in the skie. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
a class I'm grading ;-) -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu&

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
It shortens expressions, upper cases automatically and, IMHO, is more readable. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Andrew Rowley

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
Unclean! Did you report it as a bug? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-r

Re: REXX vs other languages

2024-04-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
I've seen code that does. I would never bless it in a code review. To me the big advantage is that adding language features doesn't break existing code. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: REXX vs other languages -- EXECIO intuitiveness

2024-04-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
Only in a EUnix environment. I don't know if syscalls is enough or if you actually have t be running under the shell. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
There are languages with a covention that method names end in ain a question mark iff they are Boolean. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
for statements that are expressions is often an application rater than the operating system, e.g., ISPEXEC, IISREDIT, XEDIT. That behavior is incredibly useful. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: REXX vs other languages -- EXECIO intuitiveness

2024-04-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
Many platforms support ooRexx and Regina, whiinclude ANSI stream I/O. EXECIO is nice when portability is an issue, but otherwise I use stream. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
I frequently use single letter control variables in short DO loops. But my primary criterion is legibility. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: REXX vs other languages -- EXECIO intuitiveness

2024-04-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
Given that REXX in an OMVS environment supports ANSI stream I/O, why use EXECIO? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul

Re: S0c4 creation

2024-04-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
Do you need to distinguish among possible reasons? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Peter <05e4a8a0a03d-dmarc-r

Re: S0c4 creation

2024-04-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
There are addresses guarantied to never be valid. I would suggest using one of them rather than relinking a nonrefreshable program into an APF library as RENT. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: REXX vs other languages

2024-04-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Robin Vowels <054c2a8bb600-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2024 5:08 AM To: IB

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
the bleeding edge, and plenty of youngsters("young fogies") who are resistant to change. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf

Re: grep ascii files...

2024-04-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
It depends on the language and the context. I'm not conversant with Arabic, but Hebrew uses both, as does English. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe

Re: grep ascii files...

2024-04-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
I believe that bidi processing depends on the model. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dm

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
There is no automatic environment integration. There is an API that makes it easy for the developer of an application to support Rexx scripts and there are environments whose developers have exploited that API. ooRexx is not inferior in that regard. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

2024-04-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
The obvious answer is IEBUPDTE, but if you still have a copy of IEBUPDAT that would also work as long asyou generated the old syntax. Or install IEBUPDTX from CBTTAP. Why not use XMIT? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א

Re: FORTRAN G/H sources

2024-04-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
Have you checked whether the Hercules or Turnkey web sites have the OS/360 optional source tapes? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

VM OpenEdition announcement letters

2024-04-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
Does anybody have links for announcement letters on 1. The change of VM OpenEdition from optional to standard 2. The name change from OpenEdition to OpenExtensions ? Thanks -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: Attributes of an assemler symbol

2024-04-01 Thread Seymour J Metz
Assembler issues are on-topic in IBM-MAIN. There are more eyes but less focus. No, I would not expect an enhanced N' attribute to be sensitive to the value, only to the repetition count. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א

Re: Attributes of an assemler symbol

2024-04-01 Thread Seymour J Metz
As currently defined there isn't one, but it's an obvious extension. Of course, iBM could also use a different letter, and any RFE should indicate that both options are acceptable. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: Attributes of an assemler symbol

2024-04-01 Thread Seymour J Metz
The obvious answer, which, alas, isn't supported, would be the N' attribute. RFE? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Binyamin

Re: How can I determine MVS FQDSN from DD Name in Batch COBOL Program?

2024-03-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
DEVTYPE might suit your needs. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Cameron Conacher <03cfc59146bb-dmarc-r

Re: How can I determine MVS FQDSN from DD Name in Batch COBOL Program?

2024-03-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
but the last are assembler only. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Cameron Conacher <03cfc59146bb-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>

Re: // SET with multiple substitutions?

2024-03-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
It turns out that I had the correct syntax but I had an error in a previous SET. Thanks. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Sri

// SET with multiple substitutions?

2024-03-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
I'd like to do something like // SET FOO= and have the values of both symbols inserted rather than just one. Is there a way to do that? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: security and privacy for the 21st century

2024-03-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
It's cost shifting; they do it on the cheap at your expense. Were the inconvenience on their end, they would fix it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
that your shop has vetted. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Pew, Curtis G Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2024 2:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN

Re: GNU COBOL

2024-03-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
As long as you obtain permission first, it's legitimate. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Rick Troth <058ff5c2d0a7-dm

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
One of the things that makes a language useful is a large library. You can start using, e.g., Ada, C++, Java, LaTeX, ooRexx, Perl, Python, with only a handful of packages, and look for others as the need arises. BTDT,GTTS -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל

Re: Algol

2024-03-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
Keep in mind that ESPOL had a statement for every B6700 opcode, althogh I suspect that they were used very sparsely in MCP. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
Ruby is available on *ix and W; if you're going by use then you probably want Java and Python. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf

Re: Learning one's tools

2024-03-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
ts. Expect the code to be modified by someone with significantly less knowledge of the problem domain, even if they are an expert in the language. Bad standards are stifling and inefficient; that doesn't mean that all standards are bad. Good standards save time in the long run. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
, inwhich case it's worth looking at ooRexx. Have you looked at Ruby? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges <0587168ab

Re: Hmm, 3 ... (Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
I probably would use ":=" for assignment and "=" for equality. Are you supporting SMF-like structures? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainf

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
rtcomings and limitations of REXX as a > programming language. IMHO, if you can't recognize the shortcomings and limitations of foo then you don't understand foo. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
CALL ON is intend for exception handlers that return; that code should never have survived review. It's SIGNAL ON that unwinds the stack. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
For OMVS and z/Linux, ooRexx is the gold standard and comparisons to classic Rexx are irrelevant. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Hmm, 3 ... (Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
replacing the current backlevel REXX with ooRexx. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Crayford <0595a051454b-dmarc-r

Re: Hmm, 3 ... (Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
> I'm developing a language Have you published any details? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Rupert Reynolds Sent: Satur

Re: Hmm, 3 ... (Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
On z/Linux? Already here? In TSO? I wish, but won't hold my breathe. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges

Re: Algol

2024-03-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
(Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges <0587168ababf-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 9:32 AM T

Re: Learning one's tools

2024-03-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
data. I'd be interested in seeing what the current Enterprise PL/I did with, e.g., unaligned bit strings, refers. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Learning one's tools

2024-03-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
always been glad when they've showed me a better way to do something. Sometimes you can even learn from your students. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Learning one's tools

2024-03-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
Is this code clear? How can we improve the comments? Have we considered all of the edge cases? Is there a better way to do this? How easy will it be to extend this? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: Learning one's tools

2024-03-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
d tech writers: when they are good they are very very good, and when they are bad they are horrid. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on be

Re: Algol

2024-03-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
I don't believe that ALGOL 68had much influence on later languages, possibly because the formal definition was seriously under-commented. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
CALL ON or SIGNAL ON? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
; -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Crayford <0595a051454b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Friday, March 15, 20

Re: Learning one's tools

2024-03-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
<https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/546936.Up_the_Organizationhttps://www.goodreads.com/book/show/546936.Up_the_Organization> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle> -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥

Re: Learning one's tools

2024-03-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
You have to love it when a manager tells you not to use a COBOL verb but instead to use COBOL.. Fortunately, some <https://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3/#bosses> bosses are better than that. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔

Re: Learning one's tools

2024-03-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
That sounds like a hostile working environment. The people doing a code review should know the language and the local standards; nit sounds like they knew neither. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
The SIGNAL statement unwinds the stack in a very disruptive fashion; its behavior is unlike GOTO in any language that I am familiar with. Use it for anything but exception handling at your peril. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א

Re: BASE64 Decode / EPOCH Conversion Code Samples

2024-03-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
HLASM. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Saturday,

Re: IRB interrupt code

2024-03-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
RBOPSW reflects the most recent interrupt. That's true for every RB, not just an IRB. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf

Re: IBM Announces the z/OS Container Platform

2024-03-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
Weren't there jails in MULTICS? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Rick Troth <058ff5c2d0a7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.

Re: 35th International Rexx Symposium in Birsbane (Australia) about to start

2024-03-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
with the nomenclature and conventions used, but even within a text there may be chapters with a different convention. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Changes to user's TSO PROFILE

2024-03-04 Thread Seymour J Metz
UPT. Some vendors feel entitled to change it without a "by your leave". -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Lennie Brad

Re: 35th International Rexx Symposium in Birsbane (Australia) about to start

2024-03-04 Thread Seymour J Metz
Isn't I Don't Want To Talk Smalltalk" a song about OO languages? I'ld say that to be OO it must at least have inheritance. Other issues: Is everything an object? Is it message oriented? Is multiple inheritance allowed? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂ

Re: 35th International Rexx Symposium in Birsbane (Australia) about to start

2024-03-02 Thread Seymour J Metz
Actually, there's been a decades long language war over what object-oriented means. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob

Re: Recovery routine for IRB

2024-03-01 Thread Seymour J Metz
ITYM RQE/IRB. Doees the IQE stll exist? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Joseph Reichman <05812645a43c-dmarc-r

Re: RACF, external password management

2024-03-01 Thread Seymour J Metz
> And after the user is revoked. *permanently*. Making a logon loop a convenient option for a DOS attack. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion L

Re: Recovery routine for IRB

2024-03-01 Thread Seymour J Metz
Does ESTAE support code that holds a lock? I suspect tthat you need an ARR or FRR? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Joseph

Re: Signing off

2024-02-27 Thread Seymour J Metz
IBM 65? Should that be 650? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Clement Clarke <05cb6e944c87-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.

Re: Delete HSM backups question

2024-02-26 Thread Seymour J Metz
Sorry; that reply belongs on a different message. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Seymour J Metz Sent: Monday, February 26

Re: Delete HSM backups question

2024-02-26 Thread Seymour J Metz
That don't change anything. I don't have up.date access to those libraries and asking to change the CM process would be DOA.. For personal tools, of course, the exit approach is viable. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א

Re: [Very much off-topic] Re: AI is the real deal.

2024-02-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
Dedicated fax machines, combo printer/scanner/fax or wokstations with fax modems? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Gibney

Re: zsh for z/OS

2024-02-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
The main benefit with zsh is compatibility with other platforms. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Pew, Curtis G Sent: Monday

Re: Nanosecond resolution timestamps for HLL's?

2024-02-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
PDSE member names may be limited to 8 characters, but alias names for a program object are not. What are your Binder options? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM

Re: [Very much off-topic] Re: AI is the real deal.

2024-02-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
from what they provided, but then again, I might not." -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Robert Prins <05be6ef5bf

Re: [Very much off-topic] Re: AI is the real deal.

2024-02-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
No, but we might see AI look at problem specifications and generate machine code that is hard to express in COBOL. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe

Re: [Very much off-topic] Re: AI is the real deal.

2024-02-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypotheses_non_fingo>. On the flip side, hand optimization for pipelined machines is labor intensive and fragile; a compiler with an ARCHLVL parameter is better suited for the job. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂ

Re: Question

2024-02-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
My work laptop is locked down so I have no choice. On my personal machines I use (Libre|Open)Office. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Nanosecond resolution timestamps for HLL's?

2024-02-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
Not all boast are true. if you don't know about the early nonstandard calls, I envy you. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf

Re: Principles of Op

2024-02-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
<https://www.vm.ibm.com/library/other.html> has a link to <https://www.vm.ibm.com/library/other/22783213.pdf>. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainfram

Re: Principles of Op

2024-02-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
I've been using the z/VM documentation web site to finf PoOps. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Farley, Peter

Re: Nanosecond resolution timestamps for HLL's?

2024-02-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
Aren't consistency checks a basic part of DB2? Failing conflicting commits is a type of serialization, although it is far from the only one. If A and B are independent then why would B's commit fail? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל

Re: Nanosecond resolution timestamps for HLL's?

2024-02-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
I'm confused. Doesn't a successful commit prevent a future rollback? Why isn't the scenario: A: commit succedes B: commit fails B: rollback succedes B: rerunning transaction succedes B: commit succedes -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח

Re: How read Cyl 0 from within a program?

2024-02-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
AMASPZAP treeat that as an alias for 44X'04', the VTOC. If you want track 0 you'll have to modify the DEB. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: Nanosecond resolution timestamps for HLL's?

2024-02-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
In that scenario, doesn't the second commit fail? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Colin Paice <059d4daca697-dmarc-r

Re: Insecure security - was SDSF PS Command column

2024-02-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
no experience with those technologies. For applications that don't directly support the id card, there are one-time pass tickets. Slightly more awkward, but not enough to matter. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: [ISPF-L] Replacement for LMAC program in ISPF 3.1

2024-02-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
If ISPF only had an equivalent to XEDIT's SET PENDING :-( -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of mark mzelden.com Sent: Monday

Re: SDSF PS Command column

2024-02-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
The problem is not auditors; it is incompetent auditors. In the Army they taught us that preventing authorized access is a security violation. An unthinking automatic timeout is a DOS attack when it prevents running an annual job. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם

Re: Banks migrate from mainframes to AI-driven cloud tech

2024-02-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
With current technology, Z has the edge for I/O and RAS, but not for CPU. What makes sense depends very much on the business and legal requirements. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: Banks migrate from mainframes to AI-driven cloud tech

2024-02-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
I was thinking of zCX as hosting containers The process for deploying virtual machines in z/VM is different although it also eliminates manual setup that used to be necessary. i was trying to illustrated that the automation of deployment was not limited to the cloud. -- Shmuel (Seymour J

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Reading a scratch tape

2024-02-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
AFAIK, there no PDSE in CMS OS simulation. I'd have to check the z/VM documentation to be sure. That said, I abandoned EXEC and EXEC2 once REXX was available. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Reading a scratch tape

2024-02-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
EXEC2 didn't exist in 1971. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Seymour J Metz Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 8:09 PM To: IBM

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Reading a scratch tape

2024-02-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
I would assume that it's difficult or impossible with PDSE, but that there is less need in PDSE2, due to generations. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Banks migrate from mainframes to AI-driven cloud tech

2024-02-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
How do containers in the cloud differ from containers on the mainframe? How difficult is it to provision a new z/VM virtual machine with contemporary software? ow much is just different coverage in the in-flight magazines versus substantive benefits of the cloud? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: Banks migrate from mainframes to AI-driven cloud tech

2024-02-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
It's in the intrinsic angular momentum. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges <0587168ababf-dmarc-r

Re: XTL64E_EXTENTADDR

2024-02-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
The load module might be in the PLPA, or the load module for the RB might have called an external load module. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: Registers in the RB

2024-02-04 Thread Seymour J Metz
CDE is irrelevant; an exit from an RB always gets the registers from the current registers and the exiting RB, and always gets the PSW from the previous RB. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר

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