Re: Google F1 was: Re: MongoDB
Interesting. Googling F1 gives me Formula One results. (Yes, Googling F1 database yields relevant results.) http://research.google.com/pubs/pub41344.html Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Google F1 was: Re: MongoDB The brainiacs over at google have invented a novel hybrid data base for their Ads business http://research.google.com/pubs/pub38125.html. It supports hierarchical schemas. Quote With F1, we have built a novel hybrid system that combines the scalability, fault tolerance, transparent sharding, and cost benefits so far available only in “NoSQL” systems with the usability, familiarity, and transactional guarantees expected from an RDBMS. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Google F1 was: Re: MongoDB
On 17/10/2013 9:17 PM, Charles Mills wrote: Interesting. Googling F1 gives me Formula One results. (Yes, Googling F1 database yields relevant results.) Try google spanner http://research.google.com/pubs/pub41344.html Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Google F1 was: Re: MongoDB The brainiacs over at google have invented a novel hybrid data base for their Ads business http://research.google.com/pubs/pub38125.html. It supports hierarchical schemas. Quote With F1, we have built a novel hybrid system that combines the scalability, fault tolerance, transparent sharding, and cost benefits so far available only in “NoSQL” systems with the usability, familiarity, and transactional guarantees expected from an RDBMS. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Google F1 was: Re: MongoDB
And this product is called NOMAD from Select Business Solutions. It has only been available since 1976 or thereabouts. And you can even MIX hierarchical and RDBMS if you want. Geez. Another wheel reinvented. Lloyd From: David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:10 AM Subject: Google F1 was: Re: MongoDB The brainiacs over at google have invented a novel hybrid data base for their Ads business http://research.google.com/pubs/pub38125.html. It supports hierarchical schemas. Quote With F1, we have built a novel hybrid system that combines the scalability, fault tolerance, transparent sharding, and cost benefits so far available only in “NoSQL” systems with the usability, familiarity, and transactional guarantees expected from an RDBMS. On 16/10/2013 12:27 PM, Ze'ev Atlas wrote: Dave Caryford said: It is not, however, a drop in replacement for traditional transactional data bases. You are correct, it IS not and SHOULD never be used as a transnational database. It is however, a great (read better, more natural, more scalable, etc.) replacement to warehoses with star schemas and the like. Conceptually, navigating MongoDB is similar to navigating IMS and IDMS and is totally different then using relational sets (using SQL) ZA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Google F1 was: Re: MongoDB
leful...@sbcglobal.net (Lloyd Fuller) writes: And this product is called NOMAD from Select Business Solutions. It has only been available since 1976 or thereabouts. And you can even MIX hierarchical and RDBMS if you want. recent post in thread on cloud killing traditional hardware software http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#59 includes reference to this posting by greateribm The Origins of Cloud Computing -- from the 1920s http://greateribm.wordpress.com/2013/10/10/the-origins-of-cloud-computing-from-the-1920s/ 4th generation languages from virtual machine-based commercial service bureaus (originally cp67 spinoffs from ibm cambridge science center) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomad_software also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramis_software and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOCUS some of this evolution with competitive offerrings from the different virtual machine based commerical service bureaus ... including NCSS, IDC, and TYMSHARE. some more discussion here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-generation_programming_language note TYMSHARE started offering its cms-based online computer conferencing to SHARE in Aug1976 http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/ now in parallel with this was Codd and relational DBMS was being done at IBM San Jose Research ... original SQL/relational implementation was System/R on vm370/cms at SJR. Lots of folklore that while corporation was pre-occupied with getting out the strategic DBMS product EAGLE, it was possible to do tech. transfer to Endicott and get it released as SQL/DS. Later when EAGLE imploded and crashedburned ... there was request about how long would it take to port System/R to MVS. past posts mentioning System/R http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr past posts mentioning science center at 545 tech sq http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Google F1 was: Re: MongoDB
The brainiacs over at google have invented a novel hybrid data base for their Ads business http://research.google.com/pubs/pub38125.html. It supports hierarchical schemas. Quote With F1, we have built a novel hybrid system that combines the scalability, fault tolerance, transparent sharding, and cost benefits so far available only in “NoSQL” systems with the usability, familiarity, and transactional guarantees expected from an RDBMS. On 16/10/2013 12:27 PM, Ze'ev Atlas wrote: Dave Caryford said: It is not, however, a drop in replacement for traditional transactional data bases. You are correct, it IS not and SHOULD never be used as a transnational database. It is however, a great (read better, more natural, more scalable, etc.) replacement to warehoses with star schemas and the like. Conceptually, navigating MongoDB is similar to navigating IMS and IDMS and is totally different then using relational sets (using SQL) ZA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
