Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[David Crayford]

On 2020-01-09 1:12 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote:

(We also use a internal python wrapper that starts x3270 through an ssh
tunnel with passticket automation automatically login to TSO without a
password.   x3270's api works great with that kind of thing.)

I'm curious to hear more details from those who think that x3270 is
terrible..
I wonder how many of these shortcomings have been sent to the maintainer as
RFEs?
We got some great help from Paul a few years ago with a problem, and we
were happy to send him a small Paypal donation.


Cool tooling!

They're not great if you want all the extras like custom screen sizes 
and font scaling. I have a 32 inch monitor and as I'm getting older
my eyesight is deteriorating. Vista scales nicely to big screens so I 
can set a custom screen size of 62x162 which is great for dynamic area 
panels like SDSF.
Also, our products have ISPF UIs so we need emulators with all the fruit 
so we can test them. For $30 Vista is the sale the century :)


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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[ITschak Mugzach]

Kirk,

I use x3270 on centos (and windows) quit intensively. it works very well.
however, I was not able to activate it under my macbook laptop. this is why
I use mocha TN3270 on my mack. beside the fact that is doesn;t support
ind$file it is reasonable product. I use filezilla to transfer files.

ITschak

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 7:13 PM Kirk Wolf  wrote:

> FWIW,  We have used x3270 on linux for many years, and it works fine for
> us.
> Granted, I don't work in a 3270 very much;  most of my z/OS work is in a
> ssh shell or ant+ssh scripts.
>
> (We also use a internal python wrapper that starts x3270 through an ssh
> tunnel with passticket automation automatically login to TSO without a
> password.   x3270's api works great with that kind of thing.)
>
> I'm curious to hear more details from those who think that x3270 is
> terrible..
> I wonder how many of these shortcomings have been sent to the maintainer as
> RFEs?
> We got some great help from Paul a few years ago with a problem, and we
> were happy to send him a small Paypal donation.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:32 PM David Crayford  wrote:
>
> > On 2020-01-08 12:32 AM, Steve Smith wrote:
> > > I like Vista TN3270 a lot better than anything else I have available
> now.
> > > I slightly prefer Bluezone, but I wouldn't pay $30 for it over $20
> Vista.
> > > And it's a lot more than that.
> >
> > BlueZone is good although it crashed when I set a custom screen size of
> > 62 * 160. It's one of the few emulators
> > where you can map the mouse wheel to F7/F8 for scrolling (standard in
> > Vista).
> >
> >
> > > It would be nice if Tom B. would port it to Mac & Linux.  That might be
> > > enough to convert me to Mac, as I'm thoroughly disgusted with
> > > Microsoft-ware.
> >
> > No need to port it. It works fine with Wine.
> >
> > Microsoft are not the same company they were 10 years ago. IMO, Windows
> > 10 is a great OS and Office 365 is peerless and great value for money. I
> > have a Mac at home and they're great machines.
> > I recently had a choice between a PC or a Mac for a new work machine and
> > chose the PC. I spend a lot of time in a shell and find Windows 10 WSL
> > with Ubuntu to be better than using brew on a mac.
> >
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Kirk Wolf]

FWIW,  We have used x3270 on linux for many years, and it works fine for us.
Granted, I don't work in a 3270 very much;  most of my z/OS work is in a
ssh shell or ant+ssh scripts.

(We also use a internal python wrapper that starts x3270 through an ssh
tunnel with passticket automation automatically login to TSO without a
password.   x3270's api works great with that kind of thing.)

I'm curious to hear more details from those who think that x3270 is
terrible..
I wonder how many of these shortcomings have been sent to the maintainer as
RFEs?
We got some great help from Paul a few years ago with a problem, and we
were happy to send him a small Paypal donation.


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:32 PM David Crayford  wrote:

> On 2020-01-08 12:32 AM, Steve Smith wrote:
> > I like Vista TN3270 a lot better than anything else I have available now.
> > I slightly prefer Bluezone, but I wouldn't pay $30 for it over $20 Vista.
> > And it's a lot more than that.
>
> BlueZone is good although it crashed when I set a custom screen size of
> 62 * 160. It's one of the few emulators
> where you can map the mouse wheel to F7/F8 for scrolling (standard in
> Vista).
>
>
> > It would be nice if Tom B. would port it to Mac & Linux.  That might be
> > enough to convert me to Mac, as I'm thoroughly disgusted with
> > Microsoft-ware.
>
> No need to port it. It works fine with Wine.
>
> Microsoft are not the same company they were 10 years ago. IMO, Windows
> 10 is a great OS and Office 365 is peerless and great value for money. I
> have a Mac at home and they're great machines.
> I recently had a choice between a PC or a Mac for a new work machine and
> chose the PC. I spend a lot of time in a shell and find Windows 10 WSL
> with Ubuntu to be better than using brew on a mac.
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Don Poitras]

In article <29e2159a-8aed-07b9-c4cf-7e521f172...@gmail.com> you wrote:
> On 2020-01-08 12:32 AM, Steve Smith wrote:
> > I like Vista TN3270 a lot better than anything else I have available now.
> > I slightly prefer Bluezone, but I wouldn't pay $30 for it over $20 Vista.
> > And it's a lot more than that.

> BlueZone is good although it crashed when I set a custom screen size of 
> 62 * 160. It's one of the few emulators
> where you can map the mouse wheel to F7/F8 for scrolling (standard in 
> Vista).


> > It would be nice if Tom B. would port it to Mac & Linux.  That might be
> > enough to convert me to Mac, as I'm thoroughly disgusted with
> > Microsoft-ware.

> No need to port it. It works fine with Wine.

> Microsoft are not the same company they were 10 years ago. IMO, Windows 
> 10 is a great OS and Office 365 is peerless and great value for money. I 
> have a Mac at home and they're great machines.
> I recently had a choice between a PC or a Mac for a new work machine and 
> chose the PC. I spend a lot of time in a shell and find Windows 10 WSL 
> with Ubuntu to be better than using brew on a mac.

Apparently, the osx binary for wine won't run under Catalina as 32-bit
apps are no longer supported. I've heard that it works if built from
source though. Not sure if Vista will then run.

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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[David Crayford]

On 2020-01-08 12:32 AM, Steve Smith wrote:

I like Vista TN3270 a lot better than anything else I have available now.
I slightly prefer Bluezone, but I wouldn't pay $30 for it over $20 Vista.
And it's a lot more than that.


BlueZone is good although it crashed when I set a custom screen size of 
62 * 160. It's one of the few emulators
where you can map the mouse wheel to F7/F8 for scrolling (standard in 
Vista).




It would be nice if Tom B. would port it to Mac & Linux.  That might be
enough to convert me to Mac, as I'm thoroughly disgusted with
Microsoft-ware.


No need to port it. It works fine with Wine.

Microsoft are not the same company they were 10 years ago. IMO, Windows 
10 is a great OS and Office 365 is peerless and great value for money. I 
have a Mac at home and they're great machines.
I recently had a choice between a PC or a Mac for a new work machine and 
chose the PC. I spend a lot of time in a shell and find Windows 10 WSL 
with Ubuntu to be better than using brew on a mac.


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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Tom Marchant]

On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 13:04:21 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

>>Don Poitras wrote:
>>
>>The Vista TN3270 emulator can copy a screen (or part of a screen) as text.
>> 
>Is that Vista's or Windows support?

Vista. IMO, it has very powerful copy and paste capabilities.

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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 10:35:42 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:

>... and Vista has a nice facility to select a dataset name "intelligently"
>(for subsequent copy and paste).
>
x3270 is similar.  Default is "/tmp/x3scr/$UNIQUE.html"

>I too really dislike bitmap screen shots from customers and associates
>(because you can't then cut and paste as text a dataset name, register
>contents, hex string, or similar).
>
Exactly.

ISPF Edit's hex representation isn't very useful for copy-and-paste.
Worse for UTF-8 files -- designers lost sight of the objective.  XEDIT
does better.  (ObShmuel.)

I reiterate my praise of x3270's HTML.  Browse and copy.


>-Original Message-
>From: Don Poitras
>Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 10:24 AM
>
>The Vista TN3270 emulator can copy a screen (or part of a screen) as text.
> 
Is that Vista's or Windows support?


>-Original Message-
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 19:13:18 +0100, R.S. wrote:
>>
>> Can other emulators copy a screen as text?
>
>Obviously YES.
>
That's less than entirely obvious.  If the emulator has no built-in Copy
facility the user might resort to the desktop's.  If the emulator displays
the screen image as a graphic the user might need to resort to OCR.

Some installations regard impeding screen copy as a security feature,
or intellectual property protection.

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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Charles Mills]

... and Vista has a nice facility to select a dataset name "intelligently"
(for subsequent copy and paste).

I too really dislike bitmap screen shots from customers and associates
(because you can't then cut and paste as text a dataset name, register
contents, hex string, or similar).

Charles


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The Vista TN3270 emulator can copy a screen (or part of a screen) as
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Don Poitras]

In article <5625468136063305.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu> you wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 12:00:01 -0500, scott Ford wrote:

> >I have been using QWS3270 for years . X3270 is not bad for script
> >automation we use it in our CI process with Jenkins.
> > 
> When I've been called on for troubleshooting I much prefer screen
> snapshots as text rather than image.  X3270 can copy a screen either
> as text or as full-color HTML.  Either is suitable for copy-and-paste
> of text snippets.
> Most frequently, I'd receive Hummingbird bitmap screenshots.  Grrr.
> H. can snap a screen as text, but it's neither the default nor well
> documented.
> Can other emulators copy a screen as text?
> -- gil

The Vista TN3270 emulator can copy a screen (or part of a screen) as
text.

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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[R.S.]

W dniu 2020-01-07 o 19:06, Paul Gilmartin pisze:

On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 12:00:01 -0500, scott Ford wrote:


I have been using QWS3270 for years . X3270 is not bad for script
automation we use it in our CI process with Jenkins.


When I've been called on for troubleshooting I much prefer screen
snapshots as text rather than image.  X3270 can copy a screen either
as text or as full-color HTML.  Either is suitable for copy-and-paste
of text snippets.

Most frequently, I'd receive Hummingbird bitmap screenshots.  Grrr.
H. can snap a screen as text, but it's neither the default nor well
documented.

Can other emulators copy a screen as text?

Obviously YES.
I'm sure about IBM PCOMM and less known Nexus Terminal.
BTW: Nexus is the fastest 3270 emulator and one of the smallest (1,4MB 
approx.). It is Windows only, so not for MacOS.
PCOMM is also Windows only (there was OS/2 version also, the last one is 
20+ years old).


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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 12:00:01 -0500, scott Ford wrote:

>I have been using QWS3270 for years . X3270 is not bad for script
>automation we use it in our CI process with Jenkins.
> 
When I've been called on for troubleshooting I much prefer screen
snapshots as text rather than image.  X3270 can copy a screen either
as text or as full-color HTML.  Either is suitable for copy-and-paste
of text snippets.

Most frequently, I'd receive Hummingbird bitmap screenshots.  Grrr.
H. can snap a screen as text, but it's neither the default nor well
documented.

Can other emulators copy a screen as text?

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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[scott Ford]

I have been using QWS3270 for years . X3270 is not bad for script
automation we use it in our CI process with Jenkins.

Scott

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:32 AM Steve Smith  wrote:

> I like Vista TN3270 a lot better than anything else I have available now.
> I slightly prefer Bluezone, but I wouldn't pay $30 for it over $20 Vista.
> And it's a lot more than that.
>
> It would be nice if Tom B. would port it to Mac & Linux.  That might be
> enough to convert me to Mac, as I'm thoroughly disgusted with
> Microsoft-ware.
>
> sas
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 7:21 AM Don Poitras <
> 028977cc0221-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> > He's not talking about Vista the Windows OS, but rather Vista, Tom
> > Brennan's
> > emulator. Wine is a light-weight app that can run Windows programs by
> > converting API calls on the fly. I used it years ago, so I don't know how
> > well it works these days. I actually run the Vista emulator under VMware
> > Fusion (running Windows 10) as I needed the VM for a separate product
> (that
> > I'm pretty sure wouldn't work under Wine as it does serial I/O).
> >
> > In article <9612299174345260.wa.jimracf.g...@listserv.ua.edu> you wrote:
> > > I don't really like Vista and always prefer a native solution if
> > possible, although admittedly that's something of a logical fallacy when
> > you are emulating 3270 terminals!
> >
> >
> > > Jim
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Steve Smith]

I like Vista TN3270 a lot better than anything else I have available now.
I slightly prefer Bluezone, but I wouldn't pay $30 for it over $20 Vista.
And it's a lot more than that.

It would be nice if Tom B. would port it to Mac & Linux.  That might be
enough to convert me to Mac, as I'm thoroughly disgusted with
Microsoft-ware.

sas

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 7:21 AM Don Poitras <
028977cc0221-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> He's not talking about Vista the Windows OS, but rather Vista, Tom
> Brennan's
> emulator. Wine is a light-weight app that can run Windows programs by
> converting API calls on the fly. I used it years ago, so I don't know how
> well it works these days. I actually run the Vista emulator under VMware
> Fusion (running Windows 10) as I needed the VM for a separate product (that
> I'm pretty sure wouldn't work under Wine as it does serial I/O).
>
> In article <9612299174345260.wa.jimracf.g...@listserv.ua.edu> you wrote:
> > I don't really like Vista and always prefer a native solution if
> possible, although admittedly that's something of a logical fallacy when
> you are emulating 3270 terminals!
>
>
> > Jim

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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Don Poitras]

He's not talking about Vista the Windows OS, but rather Vista, Tom Brennan's
emulator. Wine is a light-weight app that can run Windows programs by 
converting API calls on the fly. I used it years ago, so I don't know how
well it works these days. I actually run the Vista emulator under VMware
Fusion (running Windows 10) as I needed the VM for a separate product (that
I'm pretty sure wouldn't work under Wine as it does serial I/O).

In article <9612299174345260.wa.jimracf.g...@listserv.ua.edu> you wrote:
> I don't really like Vista and always prefer a native solution if possible, 
> although admittedly that's something of a logical fallacy when you are 
> emulating 3270 terminals!


> Jim

> On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 21:02:35 +0800, David Crayford  wrote:

> >Why not just run Vista over Wine?
> >
> >On 2020-01-03 7:18 PM, Joe Monk wrote:
> >> I use ZOC as well. I found Mocha to be lacking.
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:43 AM Jim Taylor  wrote:
> >>
> >>> I agree with the comments about c3270/x3270 but disagree when you say
> >>> there aren't any good macOS emulators - I really like ZOC and found it 
> >>> much
> >>> nicer to user than PComms on my Windows machine.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 18:36:56 +0800, David Crayford 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Unfortunately, x3270 and c3270 really suck! You won't find a native 3270
>  emulator on macOS that's any good. That may change as the web based 3270
>  emulators get better (Zowe has one).
> 
>  Guys with Macs in my team use Windows 3270 emulators running on Wine.
>  There are a few quirks like macOS keyboard shortcuts not working
>  properly but they can be worked around. Other than that
>  they work exactly like they do on Windows.
> 
> 
>  On 2020-01-01 1:24 AM, Mark Regan wrote:
> > Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
> > emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it
> >>> out
> > but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
> >
> > Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on
> >>> macOS.
> > Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Jim Taylor]

I don't really like Vista and always prefer a native solution if possible, 
although admittedly that's something of a logical fallacy when you are 
emulating 3270 terminals!


Jim

On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 21:02:35 +0800, David Crayford  wrote:

>Why not just run Vista over Wine?
>
>On 2020-01-03 7:18 PM, Joe Monk wrote:
>> I use ZOC as well. I found Mocha to be lacking.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:43 AM Jim Taylor  wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with the comments about c3270/x3270 but disagree when you say
>>> there aren't any good macOS emulators - I really like ZOC and found it much
>>> nicer to user than PComms on my Windows machine.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 18:36:56 +0800, David Crayford 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Unfortunately, x3270 and c3270 really suck! You won't find a native 3270
 emulator on macOS that's any good. That may change as the web based 3270
 emulators get better (Zowe has one).

 Guys with Macs in my team use Windows 3270 emulators running on Wine.
 There are a few quirks like macOS keyboard shortcuts not working
 properly but they can be worked around. Other than that
 they work exactly like they do on Windows.


 On 2020-01-01 1:24 AM, Mark Regan wrote:
> Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
> emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it
>>> out
> but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
>
> Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on
>>> macOS.
> Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.
>
> Regards,
>
> *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Timothy Sipples]

Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>I use IBM HOD on Mac and it works fine
>I’ve never tried graphics so I don’t know about that option.

Host Graphics (GDDM, etc.) work with Host On-Demand on macOS, too.


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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Matt Hogstrom]

I use IBM HOD on Mac and it works fine.  I know its a for fee emulator so there 
is that.  Keyboard mapping is good (I use an external Logitech K750) so I have 
right and left control keys for enter and Reset.  I’ve never tried graphics so 
I don’t know about that option.

Zowe has an emulator that is JS based (run-in the browser) but it is an install 
on z/OS and doesn’t have robust keyboard mapping and I think its missing things 
like IND$FILE.  Not a lot of good free options on Mac.

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> On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:02 AM, David Crayford  wrote:
> 
> Why not just run Vista over Wine?
> 
> On 2020-01-03 7:18 PM, Joe Monk wrote:
>> I use ZOC as well. I found Mocha to be lacking.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:43 AM Jim Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree with the comments about c3270/x3270 but disagree when you say
>>> there aren't any good macOS emulators - I really like ZOC and found it much
>>> nicer to user than PComms on my Windows machine.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 18:36:56 +0800, David Crayford 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Unfortunately, x3270 and c3270 really suck! You won't find a native 3270
 emulator on macOS that's any good. That may change as the web based 3270
 emulators get better (Zowe has one).
 
 Guys with Macs in my team use Windows 3270 emulators running on Wine.
 There are a few quirks like macOS keyboard shortcuts not working
 properly but they can be worked around. Other than that
 they work exactly like they do on Windows.
 
 
 On 2020-01-01 1:24 AM, Mark Regan wrote:
> Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
> emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it
>>> out
> but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
> 
> Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on
>>> macOS.
> Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[David Crayford]

Why not just run Vista over Wine?

On 2020-01-03 7:18 PM, Joe Monk wrote:

I use ZOC as well. I found Mocha to be lacking.

Joe

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:43 AM Jim Taylor  wrote:


I agree with the comments about c3270/x3270 but disagree when you say
there aren't any good macOS emulators - I really like ZOC and found it much
nicer to user than PComms on my Windows machine.


Jim

On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 18:36:56 +0800, David Crayford 
wrote:


Unfortunately, x3270 and c3270 really suck! You won't find a native 3270
emulator on macOS that's any good. That may change as the web based 3270
emulators get better (Zowe has one).

Guys with Macs in my team use Windows 3270 emulators running on Wine.
There are a few quirks like macOS keyboard shortcuts not working
properly but they can be worked around. Other than that
they work exactly like they do on Windows.


On 2020-01-01 1:24 AM, Mark Regan wrote:

Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it

out

but was wondering if there are any other products out there.

Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on

macOS.

Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.

Regards,

*Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991
Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017

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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Joe Monk]

I use ZOC as well. I found Mocha to be lacking.

Joe

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:43 AM Jim Taylor  wrote:

> I agree with the comments about c3270/x3270 but disagree when you say
> there aren't any good macOS emulators - I really like ZOC and found it much
> nicer to user than PComms on my Windows machine.
>
>
> Jim
>
> On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 18:36:56 +0800, David Crayford 
> wrote:
>
> >Unfortunately, x3270 and c3270 really suck! You won't find a native 3270
> >emulator on macOS that's any good. That may change as the web based 3270
> >emulators get better (Zowe has one).
> >
> >Guys with Macs in my team use Windows 3270 emulators running on Wine.
> >There are a few quirks like macOS keyboard shortcuts not working
> >properly but they can be worked around. Other than that
> >they work exactly like they do on Windows.
> >
> >
> >On 2020-01-01 1:24 AM, Mark Regan wrote:
> >> Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
> >> emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it
> out
> >> but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
> >>
> >> Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on
> macOS.
> >> Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
> >> CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991
> >> Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Jim Taylor]

I agree with the comments about c3270/x3270 but disagree when you say there 
aren't any good macOS emulators - I really like ZOC and found it much nicer to 
user than PComms on my Windows machine.


Jim

On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 18:36:56 +0800, David Crayford  wrote:

>Unfortunately, x3270 and c3270 really suck! You won't find a native 3270
>emulator on macOS that's any good. That may change as the web based 3270
>emulators get better (Zowe has one).
>
>Guys with Macs in my team use Windows 3270 emulators running on Wine.
>There are a few quirks like macOS keyboard shortcuts not working
>properly but they can be worked around. Other than that
>they work exactly like they do on Windows.
>
>
>On 2020-01-01 1:24 AM, Mark Regan wrote:
>> Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
>> emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it out
>> but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
>>
>> Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on macOS.
>> Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
>> CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991
>> Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[ITschak Mugzach]

I am using Mocha tn3270. Was recommended here. The only issue i see is that
it foes not support file xfer ( but i use filezila).

ITschak

בתאריך יום ו׳, 3 בינו׳ 2020, 12:37, מאת David Crayford ‏:

> Unfortunately, x3270 and c3270 really suck! You won't find a native 3270
> emulator on macOS that's any good. That may change as the web based 3270
> emulators get better (Zowe has one).
>
> Guys with Macs in my team use Windows 3270 emulators running on Wine.
> There are a few quirks like macOS keyboard shortcuts not working
> properly but they can be worked around. Other than that
> they work exactly like they do on Windows.
>
>
> On 2020-01-01 1:24 AM, Mark Regan wrote:
> > Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
> > emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it out
> > but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
> >
> > Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on
> macOS.
> > Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
> > CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991
> > Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[David Crayford]

Unfortunately, x3270 and c3270 really suck! You won't find a native 3270 
emulator on macOS that's any good. That may change as the web based 3270 
emulators get better (Zowe has one).


Guys with Macs in my team use Windows 3270 emulators running on Wine. 
There are a few quirks like macOS keyboard shortcuts not working 
properly but they can be worked around. Other than that

they work exactly like they do on Windows.


On 2020-01-01 1:24 AM, Mark Regan wrote:

Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it out
but was wondering if there are any other products out there.

Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on macOS.
Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.

Regards,

*Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991
Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017

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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Mark Regan]

After using the Brew tool to install the x3270 package, the x3270
executable itself does not show up. These are the only ones that show up in
the x3270 bin directory:

drwxr-xr-x  7 markregan  staff 224 Jun  3  2019 .
drwxr-xr-x  8 markregan  staff 256 Dec 31 12:51 ..
-r-xr-xr-x  1 markregan  staff  973120 Dec 31 12:51 c3270
-r-xr-xr-x  1 markregan  staff  600124 Jun  3  2019 pr3287
-r-xr-xr-x  1 markregan  staff  848036 Jun  3  2019 s3270
-r-xr-xr-x  1 markregan  staff  798332 Jun  3  2019 tcl3270
-r-xr-xr-x  1 markregan  staff   19280 Jun  3  2019 x3270if
MARKs-MBP:bin markregan$ pwd
/usr/local/Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin

Thanks,

*Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
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Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017


On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 2:36 PM scott Ford  wrote:

> Mark,
>
> We use x3270 all the time on macOS and Linux due to testing etc.
> Once the syntax is understood it’s not bad to use.
>
> Scott
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 2:32 PM Mark Regan  wrote:
>
> > Correction, I got c3270, the curses-based version, to work, not x3270
> > itself.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
> > CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991
> > Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 1:43 PM Mark Regan  wrote:
> >
> > > Lee,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the pointer to Brew. I got Brew installed okay, and using
> it,
> > I
> > > got x3270 installed okay too.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
> > > CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991
> > > Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:41 PM leeb <
> > > 02ae733369f7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Sorry, a little too quick with the send button.
> > >>
> > >> I should have added that once brew is installed,
> > >>
> > >> 'brew install x3270 c3270'
> > >>
> > >> should have the desired effect. However, I'm not running Catalina
> > >> so YMMV.
> > >>
> > >> Happy new year!
> > >>
> > >> Lee.
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:24:24PM -0500, Mark Regan wrote:
> > >> > Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit
> tn3270
> > >> > emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying
> it
> > >> out
> > >> > but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
> > >> >
> > >> > Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on
> > >> macOS.
> > >> > Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build
> it.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> >
> > >> > *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[scott Ford]

Mark,

We use x3270 all the time on macOS and Linux due to testing etc.
Once the syntax is understood it’s not bad to use.

Scott

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 2:32 PM Mark Regan  wrote:

> Correction, I got c3270, the curses-based version, to work, not x3270
> itself.
>
> Regards,
>
> *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
> CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991
> Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 1:43 PM Mark Regan  wrote:
>
> > Lee,
> >
> > Thanks for the pointer to Brew. I got Brew installed okay, and using it,
> I
> > got x3270 installed okay too.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
> > CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991
> > Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:41 PM leeb <
> > 02ae733369f7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry, a little too quick with the send button.
> >>
> >> I should have added that once brew is installed,
> >>
> >> 'brew install x3270 c3270'
> >>
> >> should have the desired effect. However, I'm not running Catalina
> >> so YMMV.
> >>
> >> Happy new year!
> >>
> >> Lee.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:24:24PM -0500, Mark Regan wrote:
> >> > Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
> >> > emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it
> >> out
> >> > but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
> >> >
> >> > Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on
> >> macOS.
> >> > Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Mark Regan]

Correction, I got c3270, the curses-based version, to work, not x3270
itself.

Regards,

*Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991
Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017


On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 1:43 PM Mark Regan  wrote:

> Lee,
>
> Thanks for the pointer to Brew. I got Brew installed okay, and using it, I
> got x3270 installed okay too.
>
> Thanks,
>
> *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
> CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991
> Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:41 PM leeb <
> 02ae733369f7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, a little too quick with the send button.
>>
>> I should have added that once brew is installed,
>>
>> 'brew install x3270 c3270'
>>
>> should have the desired effect. However, I'm not running Catalina
>> so YMMV.
>>
>> Happy new year!
>>
>> Lee.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:24:24PM -0500, Mark Regan wrote:
>> > Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
>> > emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it
>> out
>> > but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
>> >
>> > Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on
>> macOS.
>> > Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
>> > CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991
>> > Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Joe Monk]

Ive emailed that guy about the rewrite he wants to do. Unfortunately its
like a brick wall... no response.

Joe

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:44 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> There'd be an obvious option (https://www.brown.edu/cis/tn3270/) for a
> tn3270 client if you could convince apple to upgrade Carbon to 64 bit. the
> similarity between *bsd and Linux, I would expect that some of the TN3270
> clients for Linux would also work on macosx; there might even be binary
> distributions.
>
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> Subject: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2
> (Catalina)
>
> Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
> emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it out
> but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
>
> Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on macOS.
> Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.
>
> Regards,
>
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Seymour J Metz]

There'd be an obvious option (https://www.brown.edu/cis/tn3270/) for a tn3270 
client if you could convince apple to upgrade Carbon to 64 bit. the similarity 
between *bsd and Linux, I would expect that some of the TN3270 clients for 
Linux would also work on macosx; there might even be binary distributions.


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Subject: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it out
but was wondering if there are any other products out there.

Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on macOS.
Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.

Regards,

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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Mark Regan]

Lee,

Thanks for the pointer to Brew. I got Brew installed okay, and using it, I
got x3270 installed okay too.

Thanks,

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On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:41 PM leeb <
02ae733369f7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Sorry, a little too quick with the send button.
>
> I should have added that once brew is installed,
>
> 'brew install x3270 c3270'
>
> should have the desired effect. However, I'm not running Catalina
> so YMMV.
>
> Happy new year!
>
> Lee.
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:24:24PM -0500, Mark Regan wrote:
> > Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
> > emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it out
> > but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
> >
> > Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on
> macOS.
> > Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Seymour J Metz]

I might believe X Window.


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Subject: Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 
(Catalina)

Sorry, I was equally fast on send.  brew installs x3270 but I believe it 
requires X Windows.

These items are installed using brew install x3270 in /usr/local/bin
c3270 -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/c3270
pr3287 -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/pr3287
s3270 -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/s3270
tcl3270 -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/tcl3270
x3270if -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/x3270if

More information on the emulators can be found here: 
http://secure-web.cisco.com/1wYXh2sbg-_Z9PPpoyxS5ey6RQZJkKqTMHUFUNJXS89OHwwQZXqZWw08BwZ2vyxY-mGawHnSq1hfabLIcws3SdPmDF0kotz5sStnCCBeC5e5S30wiMTvlrW87XVn-RBqJ1-EzW7whX_L2dMMQQQheIDXpwYdfJrhoBgJZD3prngli7D3ri6PBblkxSplKo0C8dWNGEWq1k8wvQPZeNR9U9zHt5VfzQxChdEiEXrtcXK6ExjJxvTtCI3Xdw83S1e_EagXlpe_wYBncq8Mid7P2nC713l7vvbQnYaSTnVk3xi_9-AJqtOUVwQG3byXJdj2vNLaGTh4f9j_VBa19HgBbFdqx4QlxhczDQ9nft9_9CJlCVlnBow5H5fdDoLAZLjh4/http%3A%2F%2Fx3270.bgp.nu%2F

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> On Dec 31, 2019, at 12:24 PM, Mark Regan  wrote:
>
> Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
> emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it out
> but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
>
> Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on macOS.
> Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.
>
> Regards,
>
> *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:49:33 -0500, Matt Hogstrom wrote:

>Sorry, I was equally fast on send.  brew installs x3270 but I believe it 
>requires X Windows.
> 
Aka X11 aka XQuartz.

>These items are installed using brew install x3270 in /usr/local/bin
>c3270 -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/c3270
>pr3287 -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/pr3287
>s3270 -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/s3270
>tcl3270 -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/tcl3270
>x3270if -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/x3270if
>
>More information on the emulators can be found here: http://x3270.bgp.nu/
> 
It might almost be easier to install Linux under VirtualBox and run x3270 there.

I have heard some complain with a religious fervor that the font on a
particular emulator was visibly different from a hardware 3270.  I
considered that lipstick for a pig.

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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Joe Monk]

I use zoc7  for tn3270 on my mac.

Joe

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:49 AM Matt Hogstrom  wrote:

> Sorry, I was equally fast on send.  brew installs x3270 but I believe it
> requires X Windows.
>
> These items are installed using brew install x3270 in /usr/local/bin
> c3270 -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/c3270
> pr3287 -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/pr3287
> s3270 -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/s3270
> tcl3270 -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/tcl3270
> x3270if -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/x3270if
>
> More information on the emulators can be found here: http://x3270.bgp.nu/
>
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> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 12:24 PM, Mark Regan  wrote:
> >
> > Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
> > emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it out
> > but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
> >
> > Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on
> macOS.
> > Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Joe Monk]

I use zoc7.

Joe

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 11:49 leeb <
02ae733369f7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Huh, OK. Does 'x3270' include c3270 these days? I'm not near my work
> machine
> so can't check.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:44:04PM -0500, Matt Hogstrom wrote:
> > Your command ‘brew install x3270 c3270’
> > Error: No available formula with the name "c3270"
> > ==> Searching for a previously deleted formula (in the last month)...
> > Warning: homebrew/core is shallow clone. To get complete history run:
> >   git -C "$(brew --repo homebrew/core)" fetch --unshallow
> >
> > Error: No previously deleted formula found.
> > ==> Searching for similarly named formulae...
> > Error: No similarly named formulae found.
> > ==> Searching taps...
> > ==> Searching taps on GitHub...
> > Error: No formulae found in taps.
> >
> > ‘brew install x3270’
> > ==> Downloading
> https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/x3270-3.6ga8.catalina.bottle.tar.gz
> > ==> Downloading from
> https://akamai.bintray.com/89/89d86a2b2bd54b97779d62ce7254f229dc7bde386ecea33487dcf3ef62523f6c?__gda__=exp=1577814883~h
> > 
> 100.0%
> > ==> Pouring x3270-3.6ga8.catalina.bottle.tar.gz
> >   /usr/local/Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8: 16 files, 3.3MB
> > ==> `brew cleanup` has not been run in 30 days, running now...
> > Removing: /Users/hogstrom/Library/Logs/Homebrew/neo4j... (101B)
> > Removing: /Users/hogstrom/Library/Logs/Homebrew/helm... (64B)
> > Removing: /Users/hogstrom/Library/Logs/Homebrew/spark... (101B)
> > Removing: /Users/hogstrom/Library/Logs/Homebrew/orientdb... (4 files,
> 557B)
> > Pruned 1 symbolic links from /usr/local
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> > > On Dec 31, 2019, at 12:31 PM, leeb <
> 02ae733369f7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry, a little too quick with the send button.
> > >
> > > I should have added that once brew is installed,
> > >
> > > 'brew install x3270 c3270'
> > >
> > > should have the desired effect. However, I'm not running Catalina
> > > so YMMV.
> > >
> > > Happy new year!
> > >
> > > Lee.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:24:24PM -0500, Mark Regan wrote:
> > >> Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
> > >> emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it
> out
> > >> but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
> > >>
> > >> Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on
> macOS.
> > >> Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Matt Hogstrom]

Sorry, I was equally fast on send.  brew installs x3270 but I believe it 
requires X Windows.

These items are installed using brew install x3270 in /usr/local/bin
c3270 -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/c3270
pr3287 -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/pr3287
s3270 -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/s3270
tcl3270 -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/tcl3270
x3270if -> ../Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8/bin/x3270if

More information on the emulators can be found here: http://x3270.bgp.nu/

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> On Dec 31, 2019, at 12:24 PM, Mark Regan  wrote:
> 
> Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
> emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it out
> but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
> 
> Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on macOS.
> Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
> CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[leeb]

Huh, OK. Does 'x3270' include c3270 these days? I'm not near my work machine
so can't check.


On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:44:04PM -0500, Matt Hogstrom wrote:
> Your command ‘brew install x3270 c3270’
> Error: No available formula with the name "c3270"
> ==> Searching for a previously deleted formula (in the last month)...
> Warning: homebrew/core is shallow clone. To get complete history run:
>   git -C "$(brew --repo homebrew/core)" fetch --unshallow
> 
> Error: No previously deleted formula found.
> ==> Searching for similarly named formulae...
> Error: No similarly named formulae found.
> ==> Searching taps...
> ==> Searching taps on GitHub...
> Error: No formulae found in taps.
> 
> ‘brew install x3270’
> ==> Downloading 
> https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/x3270-3.6ga8.catalina.bottle.tar.gz
> ==> Downloading from 
> https://akamai.bintray.com/89/89d86a2b2bd54b97779d62ce7254f229dc7bde386ecea33487dcf3ef62523f6c?__gda__=exp=1577814883~h
>  
> 100.0%
> ==> Pouring x3270-3.6ga8.catalina.bottle.tar.gz
>   /usr/local/Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8: 16 files, 3.3MB
> ==> `brew cleanup` has not been run in 30 days, running now...
> Removing: /Users/hogstrom/Library/Logs/Homebrew/neo4j... (101B)
> Removing: /Users/hogstrom/Library/Logs/Homebrew/helm... (64B)
> Removing: /Users/hogstrom/Library/Logs/Homebrew/spark... (101B)
> Removing: /Users/hogstrom/Library/Logs/Homebrew/orientdb... (4 files, 557B)
> Pruned 1 symbolic links from /usr/local
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> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 12:31 PM, leeb 
> > <02ae733369f7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > Sorry, a little too quick with the send button.
> > 
> > I should have added that once brew is installed, 
> > 
> > 'brew install x3270 c3270'
> > 
> > should have the desired effect. However, I'm not running Catalina
> > so YMMV.
> > 
> > Happy new year!
> > 
> > Lee.
> > 
> > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:24:24PM -0500, Mark Regan wrote:
> >> Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
> >> emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it out
> >> but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
> >> 
> >> Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on macOS.
> >> Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> 
> >> *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Matt Hogstrom]

Your command ‘brew install x3270 c3270’
Error: No available formula with the name "c3270"
==> Searching for a previously deleted formula (in the last month)...
Warning: homebrew/core is shallow clone. To get complete history run:
  git -C "$(brew --repo homebrew/core)" fetch --unshallow

Error: No previously deleted formula found.
==> Searching for similarly named formulae...
Error: No similarly named formulae found.
==> Searching taps...
==> Searching taps on GitHub...
Error: No formulae found in taps.

‘brew install x3270’
==> Downloading 
https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/x3270-3.6ga8.catalina.bottle.tar.gz
==> Downloading from 
https://akamai.bintray.com/89/89d86a2b2bd54b97779d62ce7254f229dc7bde386ecea33487dcf3ef62523f6c?__gda__=exp=1577814883~h
 100.0%
==> Pouring x3270-3.6ga8.catalina.bottle.tar.gz
  /usr/local/Cellar/x3270/3.6ga8: 16 files, 3.3MB
==> `brew cleanup` has not been run in 30 days, running now...
Removing: /Users/hogstrom/Library/Logs/Homebrew/neo4j... (101B)
Removing: /Users/hogstrom/Library/Logs/Homebrew/helm... (64B)
Removing: /Users/hogstrom/Library/Logs/Homebrew/spark... (101B)
Removing: /Users/hogstrom/Library/Logs/Homebrew/orientdb... (4 files, 557B)
Pruned 1 symbolic links from /usr/local

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> On Dec 31, 2019, at 12:31 PM, leeb 
> <02ae733369f7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, a little too quick with the send button.
> 
> I should have added that once brew is installed, 
> 
> 'brew install x3270 c3270'
> 
> should have the desired effect. However, I'm not running Catalina
> so YMMV.
> 
> Happy new year!
> 
> Lee.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:24:24PM -0500, Mark Regan wrote:
>> Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
>> emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it out
>> but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
>> 
>> Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on macOS.
>> Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
>> CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991
>> Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017
>> 
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[leeb]

Sorry, a little too quick with the send button.

I should have added that once brew is installed, 

'brew install x3270 c3270'

should have the desired effect. However, I'm not running Catalina
so YMMV.

Happy new year!

Lee.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:24:24PM -0500, Mark Regan wrote:
> Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
> emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it out
> but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
> 
> Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on macOS.
> Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Matt Hogstrom]

Yes, brew works under catalina

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> On Dec 31, 2019, at 12:28 PM, leeb 
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> 
> I assume brew works under Catalina?
> 
> https://brew.sh/
> 
> Lee.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:24:24PM -0500, Mark Regan wrote:
>> Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
>> emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it out
>> but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
>> 
>> Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on macOS.
>> Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
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Re: Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[leeb]

I assume brew works under Catalina?

https://brew.sh/

Lee.


On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:24:24PM -0500, Mark Regan wrote:
> Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
> emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it out
> but was wondering if there are any other products out there.
> 
> Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on macOS.
> Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
> CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991
> Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017
> 
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Looking for tn3270 emulator that can run on macOS 10.15.2 (Catalina)

[Mark Regan]

Since the Catalina version of macOS is 64-bit only, any 32-bit tn3270
emulators no longer work on the macOS. I found ZOC, and I'm trying it out
but was wondering if there are any other products out there.

Another option is to try and build a copy x3270 or c3270 for use on macOS.
Not being a programmer, I have no clue how to use 'make' to build it.

Regards,

*Mark T. Regan, K8MTR*
CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991
Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017

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