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A lot of times, U4038 is not enough region...
Joe
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wrot
g it might be related to EXPEDITER.
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> That is my current WAG.
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> Thanks
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I can't see your code of course but my WAG is a programmer logic error.
(Sorry!) I am going to guess your logic is such that you try to free the same
area twice or, less likely, corrupt your pointer.
You say you
I can't see your code of course but my WAG is a programmer logic error.
(Sorry!) I am going to guess your logic is such that you try to free the same
area twice or, less likely, corrupt your pointer.
You say you check to see if it is null before freeing. Do you set it to NULL
after freeing?
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Region card big enough? I’ve seen that abend via not enough memory.
Bob
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> I have not seen this exactly like w
Region card big enough? I’ve seen that abend via not enough memory.
Bob
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On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 8:17 PM, Charles Hardee wrote:
> I have not seen this exactly like what you describe, but I do have some
> thoughts.
> The pointer you are using for the ALLOCATE, does
I have not seen this exactly like what you describe, but I do have some
thoughts.
The pointer you are using for the ALLOCATE, does it have a value clause,
specifically VALUE NULL.
If not, the pointer could have an unknown value that does not compare equal
to NULL so you would attempt to FREE it.
Hello folks
I have written an IMS COBOL program. I have included a couple of ALLOCATE
statements.
At the end of processing I check my pointers and if they are not NULL I try to
FREE. This results in a U4038 abend. At least inside Expediter.
I have not used ALLOCATE/FREE before.
I am thinking
Is it the case that the parameter in the SQL parameter ATTACH option (TSO, CAF,
etc.) does not matter as long as the DSNULI stub is included in the program
bind? This appears to me to be the case, but I want someone to specifically
state it for me in case I am misunderstanding.
Also, how do I
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The "principle of least astonishment" works well for me in Rexx, although I
confe
The "principle of least astonishment" works well for me in Rexx, although I
confess it took a while to make the best of it :-)
Yes, I checked in ooRexx and in the docs for Regina:-
Comparison with = is case-sensitive and leading/trailing blanks are
stripped and/or added. So ("" = "")
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The variable is defined at level 05 so it is probably part of a structure
(group item in terms of cobol). You must maintain the copect length. For
example xxx = copies(' ',12).
Btw, the compare
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On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 15:04:19 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>A compare using = adds trailing blanks; use == if you need an exact match.
>
Trailing and/or l
The variable is defined at level 05 so it is probably part of a structure
(group item in terms of cobol). You must maintain the copect length. For
example xxx = copies(' ',12).
Btw, the compare is ok and will work same as in cobol.
Best
ITschak
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Allen: This is Warren Brown. Do you remember working with me?
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I have the following:
COBOL:
05 FR-KWY PIC X(12).
IF FR-KEY=SPACES
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 15:04:19 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>A compare using = adds trailing blanks; use == if you need an exact match.
>
Trailing and/or leading.
"=" has a very lenient criterion of numeric equality:
"say 2 = ' 200e-2 '"
1
"==" gives better performance (empirically).
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I have the following:
COBOL:
05 FR-KWY PIC X(12).
IF FR-KEY=SPACES
MOVE..
REXX:
IF fr_key = ' ' THEN
Move..
Are these 2 statements equivalent? I suspect REXX will do a 1 -by comp
Classification: Confidential
I have the following:
COBOL:
05 FR-KWY PIC X(12).
IF FR-KEY=SPACES
MOVE..
REXX:
IF fr_key = ' ' THEN
Move..
Are these 2 statements equivalent? I suspect REXX will do a 1 -by compare vs. a
12 byte compare for COBOL.
Can anyone
, 2023 8:35 AM
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The registers in the SDWA related to RB or linkage stack entry are not time
of error. There are many rules involved with when those registers are saved.
If you want registers for retry, then you should save them in a work area
The registers in the SDWA related to RB or linkage stack entry are not time of
error. There are many rules involved with when those registers are saved.
If you want registers for retry, then you should save them in a work area that
you can locate via the ESTAE parameter or the FRR parameter
Thanks
That’s what I thought
In order for my recovery to do a retry
My register have to be in tact
R3 is the base for all my csects
4 bytes off that is my eyecatcher as I branch round that comparing R3 + 4 for
the eyecatcher is how I determine that
I start SDWAGR then I try SDWASR
Then
Are the registers at SDWASR00 the same as the registers pointed to by
SDWARBAD when SDWARBAD is around I have noticed most of the time they are
Your words of "most of the time" indicate that you have observed that they are
not always.
Your observation is correct. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
Hi
Are the registers at SDWASR00 the same as the registers pointed to by
SDWARBAD when SDWARBAD is around I have noticed most of the time they are
SDWAS00 doesn't have 64 bit registers
Or PSW but if they are the same I can get them from the XSB
Thanks
, March 27, 2023 2:17 PM
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"And, we're not gaining the full benefit because we can't allow
it to use vector packed instructions until all sites where the
code can run are on compatible hardware."
Welcome to the develop
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You're right, and fortunately we were saved from that pain because we
procrastinated so long. And we skipped v5 completely.
We procrastinated because it took me a long time to rewrite our load module
analyzer, as well
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Glad to hear that someone followed all the rules so that, unannounced COBOL 5+
didn't cause you packed decimal problems with Truncation and the like. Or same
thing with binary.
Steve Thompson
On 3/27/2023 10:31 AM, Schmitt, Michael wrote:
> The l
Sometimes the worm that the early bird gets is diseased. :-)
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You're right
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As long as you use the correct compiler options with COBOL 5+ to replicate
those of your pre-5 COBOL you were likely OK. In our shop we did
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Glad to hear that someone followed all the rules so that,
unannounced COBOL 5+ didn't cause you packed decimal problems
with Truncation and the like. Or same thing with binary.
Steve Thompson
On 3/27/2023 10:31 AM, Schmit
It's interesting you mentioned /tmp. That's what started this entire exercise.
We migrated our /tmp filesystem from a ZFS to TFS and ran into a problem with
our scheduling product. Turned out that it's documented that the product
doesn't support TFS event triggering. So if batch job put a file
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Glad to hear that someone followed all the rules so that,
unannounced COBOL 5+ didn't cause you packed decima
I'm not sure that's possible.
In any case, I don't know specifically how to do it.
Best practice on Unix is for /tmp to be set as 'chmod 1777'. That way,
anyone can write to /tmp but they can then only delete or rename or move
files which they own. But if you then created a sub-directory like
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Glad to hear that someone followed all the rules so that,
unannounced COBOL 5+ didn't cause you packed
Steve Pryor
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There are a couple of pressing issues in z/OS that I'm sure many folks are
aware of but about which there doesn't seem to be much being done. I'm curious
as to what other
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> There are a couple of pressing issues in z/OS that I'm sure many folk
ge-
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There are a couple of pressing issues in z/OS that I'm sure many folks are
aware of but about which there doesn't seem to b
I want a directory that anyone can write to/read from and for any files or
directories created under it also to be world readable/writable by default.
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I started a longer reply, but got stuck in the weeds.
Can you describe what you're trying to do?
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On 3/27/23 07:10, Mark Jacobs wrote:
I’ve never been able to get the setfacl command to do what I’m trying to do.
Any assistance would be appreciated. I’m trying to set the default ACL
I’ve never been able to get the setfacl command to do what I’m trying to do.
Any assistance would be appreciated. I’m trying to set the default ACL for any
new files or directories created in /foo/bar to be world readable/writable, in
short I’m looking for the permissions set to 666 for those
From Figure 7-1, page 7-21 of SA23-7832-13, z/Architecture Principles
of Operations, May, 2022:
STORE CLOCK STCK S C ⁸ ⁹ A
STORE CLOCK EXTENDED STCKE S C ⁸ ⁹ A
Lack of a "P" in the " ⁸ ⁹ A" column of the table indicates
instructions are not "privileged".
On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 23:35:56 -0500, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
>... The STCK and STCKE instructions only provide
>read-only access to the TOD clock and are not privileged or restricted
>by hardware, but they are not taught in programming texts either.
>
Citation needed.
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On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 8:16 AM Peter Relson wrote:
>
> z/OS does not support setting the clock past the end of the first epoch. Some
> forthcoming z/OS release will.
> Until then it would probably not be a good idea to try to fake out the
z/OS does not support setting the clock past the end of the first epoch. Some
forthcoming z/OS release will.
Until then it would probably not be a good idea to try to fake out the system.
Things will break.
z/OS does support expiration dates (such as mortgage end, etc) beyond the
first epoch.
On z-architecture, only machine instructions that change or set the TOD
clock are privileged. The STCK and STCKE instructions only provide
read-only access to the TOD clock and are not privileged or restricted
by hardware, but they are not taught in programming texts either.
Most who are
On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 19:44:32 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote:
>How do they accomplish that?
>
Privileged instruction, like I/O or LPSW or SCK.
In fact, I'm not certain that the clock is protected, but the user interfaces
such as time()
and strftime()mare so useful *and*portable* that I've never been
How do they accomplish that?
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 18:07:51 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>But most systems I use admirably do not allow non-privileged users to access
>the hardware clock.
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 16:39:59 -0500, Charles Mills wrote:
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>I know I have used STCK and STCKF in my "vendor" code. I think it's all still
>maintained, but not sure that every licensee is paying for maintenance.
>
We had one of those with a vendor product on CMS for which we had neglected
What about vendor packages that are off maintenance, the vendor has gone out of
business, were licensed for a OTC and have been forgotten about, etc.? Any CBT
or similar packages?
I know I have used STCK and STCKF in my "vendor" code. I think it's all still
maintained, but not sure that every
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There are a couple of pressing issues in z/OS that I'm sure many folks are
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As a I guy who has been involved in SMF-based "auditing of stuff" off and on
for the past ten years, I can tell you that "what programs are actually getting
loaded?" comes up again and again, and I don't know of a solution. (Yes, what
you describe should work, but be very wary of performance
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There are a couple of pressing issues in z/OS that I'm sure many folks are
aware of but about which there doesn't seem to be much being done. I'm curious
as to what oth
I know that in one large shop where I had been working, we had
someone develop a tool to scan all the production libraries and
tell us what the load module was based on (language), level if
available, and when last compiled/assembled.
This report was one that I used to report on the % of
24, 2023 2:38 PM
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There are a couple of pressing issues in z/OS that I'm sure many folks are
aware of but about which there doesn't seem to be much being done. I'm curious
as to what other IBM-MAINer's thoughts might
There are a couple of pressing issues in z/OS that I'm sure many folks are
aware of but about which there doesn't seem to be much being done. I'm curious
as to what other IBM-MAINer's thoughts might be. Specifically, I'm talking
about:
1.) migration to IBM's latest COBOL release, and
2.) the
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So would you rather call someone the a-word or the c-word, in public and
possibly in mixed company? I
So would you rather call someone the a-word or the c-word, in public and
possibly in mixed company? I don't use either, myself (except when reading
aloud), but I don't pause if someone uses the former around me.
If the question doesn't seem sensible to you, maybe just tell yourself
"th
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023, at 13:59, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> And bum is equivalent to the a-word.
Yes of course, but there's still a difference in severity been (say) calling
someone an a*s/ar*e and the other ... though there is (in Scotland, and
for all I know elsewhere too) a vernacular way (maybe
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2023, at 13:11, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> I also don't understand why fanny pack is offensive ...
Fanny is equivalent to the c-word ...
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> I also don't understand why fanny pack is offensive ...
Fanny is equivalent to the c-word ...
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' Well, UK English can also get us Americans in trouble, e.g., "fanny".'
Yep, made that mistake once. My wife and I were on a bus t
' Well, UK English can also get us Americans in trouble, e.g., "fanny".'
Yep, made that mistake once. My wife and I were on a bus tour in Ireland and I
asked my wife to get something out of her fanny pack and a trio of English
ladies quickly corrected me on that usage…
Fiserv
Michael
I did that, it didn't change from what I could see. I might open a question to
IBM support. See what they say.
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>Thanks, no I didn't think of the chmount command. I ran a test on my sandbox.
>the /u directory is showing that automove will exclude the system I specified,
>but the file systems mounted under it don't show that attribute, just
Thanks, no I didn't think of the chmount command. I ran a test on my sandbox.
the /u directory is showing that automove will exclude the system I specified,
but the file systems mounted under it don't show that attribute, just
Automove=Y. Do I need to change the mount attribute for all
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 13:04:44 +, Mark Jacobs
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>Thanks, but that's not helpful in my situation. The problematic file system is
>under /u which is under the sysplex root, That has to be automove.
>
>Mark Jacobs
>
Correct. Then the only way to "avoid" a lpar is to avoid it with the
Thanks, but that's not helpful in my situation. The problematic file system is
under /u which is under the sysplex root, That has to be automove.
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>I've been looking at that and testing somethings in our sandbox environment.
>The problematic file system that's already impacted us twice is being managed
>by automount and I can't see anyway to instruct OMVS not to automove
I've been looking at that and testing somethings in our sandbox environment.
The problematic file system that's already impacted us twice is being managed
by automount and I can't see anyway to instruct OMVS not to automove
filesystems that are managed by the automount policy.
Mark Jacobs
(Coming in a bit late on this thread)
As others have said, 'kicks' and Hursley are closely related (or rather,
_were_. It is my understanding that Hursley Grange is now some sort of IBM
museum.)
The local no. 66 bus goes between Romsey and Winchester via Hursley, so -
at least at some point in the
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023, at 02:23, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> Also Kipling.
Kindling ??(sorry)
>
> The root is from "bundle" of sticks and small pieces of wood, and by
> expansion to bundles of other things.
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 at 21:28, Bob Bridges wrote
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 at 21:28, Bob Bridges wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure it's not only British authors, but American too if one goes
> back far enough, whom I caught using "faggot" to mean a piece of wood for a
> fire. From there to a cigarette is an easy step.
The root is from "bundle" of sticks
I'm pretty sure it's not only British authors, but American too if one goes
back far enough, whom I caught using "faggot" to mean a piece of wood for a
fire. From there to a cigarette is an easy step.
How the word came to describe an underclassman at a British boarding school,
required to run
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 at 13:22, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
> Are "route" and "rut" related?
"Pronunciation:
Brit. pronunciation/rʌt/,
U.S. pronunciation/rət/
Forms:
α. 1500s rutte, 1500s–1600s rutt, 1500s– rut, 1600s rupt.
β. 1500s rotte, 1500s (1900s– English regional (west midlands and
southern))
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023, at 18:04, Colin Paice wrote:
> I got into trouble with the Americans ( from the days when people were
> allowed to smoke in the office) in a presentation with a chart saying " 10
> minute fag break"
That might have been misinterpreted here in the UK too, if those present
were
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> In Australia "rooter" means something rather different, so I suggest you
> don't look it up.
> I was always surprised that
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 at 21:38, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
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> Very interesting discussion.
>
> I recently tried to understand what the correct pronounciation of the
> word "router" is
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Thank you very much,
the 2nd word is "roden" in today's German language,
roden is the infinitive form.
"Ich rode, Du rodest, er rodet, ..." etc.
a "nor
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In Australia "rooter" means something rather different, so I suggest you
don't look it up.
I was always surprised that most o
The word you're looking for is "aspirated": you're noticing the difference
between aspirated and unaspirated /k/. In English, the two sounds are
recognized as different realizations of the same phoneme (allophonic).
On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:34 AM Bob Bridges wrote:
> If you'll allow me just a
I grew up in Minnesota, and visited grandparents a few times every summer in
Wisconsin, which we pronounced "wih-SKAHN-sun". Then in my high-school years
we moved to Pennsylvania, where I noticed they pronounced it "wiss-KAHN-sun",
the 's' moved firmly from the second to the first syllable. I
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When the owning system is removed from the sysplex is there a way to influence
which remaining systems becomes the owner of the file system? I'd like a way to
tell OMVS not to assign any automoved file systems to one specific system in
the sysplex.
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Hi Andrew,
This reminds me of the time I had temporarily been part of a team to do
an ACF2->RACF conversion at a large Canadian bank.
(That is a whole story in itself and almost cost me my IBM job.)
Anyway ... There was this customer person, who in every meeting kept
pronouncing it Ra-KEFF.
On 18/03/2023 11:54 pm, Bob Bridges wrote:
Now that you mention this, I guess I'm being inconsistent when I say "see eye see ess" and "eye em
ess", but privately chuckle when ignorami say "are ay see eff" instead of "rack-eff".
RACF always amused me, because "rack off" is a (Australian?) way
Most of those are familiar to me, but I've always said "eye dee cams" and "zee
oh ess". "SQL" I hear both ways, and pronounce it according to my mood at the
time.
Never heard of "IFOX00".
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Ah! I always thought "loaf" in that context was a reference to the shape of
the head, like "nut". Although come to think of it, maybe "nut" (for
"nutbread") is rhyming slang too.
I wonder how many other rhyming-slang items have made their way into American
English without our being aware of
We (in The Netherlands) say “kicks” like the Brits.
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It might be my memory, then.
As it happens, using CICS maps laid some of the groundwork for programming
3270 datastreams the hard way (addresses in base 64, Start Field Extended
and so on).
Roops
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Parwez Hamid
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Rupert Reynolds
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Was some CICS work done in Denver?
Yes, before it came to Hursley.
Also "Denver foot hill" was used However, I insist in
Dieter Fritz Hans (since the krauts made it in the beginning)
;-)
Martin
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heeks" (which makes perfect sense, following Italian pronunciation
> rules). If your native language isn't English, how do YOU say it?
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> This is just a curiosity question, obviously!
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Yes, although it's "A for 'orses" (hay for horses) and so it goes part-way
to explaining itself.
Proper rhyming slang doesn't explain itself and you just need to know that
"loaf" -> "loaf of bread" -> head. Thus "Use your loaf!" was one I heard
throughout my teens :-)
Roops
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023,
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, at 12:47, Bob Bridges wrote:
> I suppose this is based on rhyming slang? I wouldn't begin to know how
> to decipher it.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockney_Alphabet
where there's explanations.
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Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.
Now that you mention this, I guess I'm being inconsistent when I say "see eye
see ess" and "eye em ess", but privately chuckle when ignorami say "are ay see
eff" instead of "rack-eff".
I've heard "zoss", but I can't imagine ever adopting it.
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I suppose this is based on rhyming slang? I wouldn't begin to know how to
decipher it.
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/* The first virtue is to restrain the tongue; he approaches nearest to the
gods who knows how to be silent, even though he be in the right. -Cato
I'm a Texan ( it's a whole nother country 鸞). I have started saying zed
like the Brits. Zee is too easy to confuse with cee, tee, and pee.
On Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 16:00 Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
> I was giving a talk to some of our guys in Phoenix about REXX. About an
> hour into my talk, one of
owt , but they all
> agree they get their kicks (CICS?) on root 66.
> Lennie
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