Re: COBOL question

2023-04-10 Thread Cameron Conacher
AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: COBOL question A lot of times, U4038 is not enough region... Joe On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 6:15 AM Cameron Conacher < 03cfc59146bb-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu<mailto:03cfc59146bb-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>> wrot

Re: COBOL question

2023-04-10 Thread Joe Monk
g it might be related to EXPEDITER. > > That is my current WAG. > > > Thanks > > …….Cameron > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Charles Mills > Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2023 8:07 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > S

Re: COBOL question

2023-04-10 Thread Cameron Conacher
, 2023 8:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: COBOL question I can't see your code of course but my WAG is a programmer logic error. (Sorry!) I am going to guess your logic is such that you try to free the same area twice or, less likely, corrupt your pointer. You say you

Re: COBOL question

2023-04-09 Thread Charles Mills
I can't see your code of course but my WAG is a programmer logic error. (Sorry!) I am going to guess your logic is such that you try to free the same area twice or, less likely, corrupt your pointer. You say you check to see if it is null before freeing. Do you set it to NULL after freeing?

Re: COBOL question

2023-04-09 Thread Cameron Conacher
: Saturday, April 8, 2023 8:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: COBOL question Region card big enough? I’ve seen that abend via not enough memory. Bob Sent from Proton Mail for iOS On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 8:17 PM, Charles Hardee wrote: > I have not seen this exactly like w

Re: COBOL question

2023-04-08 Thread Bob T Roller
Region card big enough? I’ve seen that abend via not enough memory. Bob Sent from Proton Mail for iOS On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 8:17 PM, Charles Hardee wrote: > I have not seen this exactly like what you describe, but I do have some > thoughts. > The pointer you are using for the ALLOCATE, does

Re: COBOL question

2023-04-08 Thread Charles Hardee
I have not seen this exactly like what you describe, but I do have some thoughts. The pointer you are using for the ALLOCATE, does it have a value clause, specifically VALUE NULL. If not, the pointer could have an unknown value that does not compare equal to NULL so you would attempt to FREE it.

COBOL question

2023-04-08 Thread Cameron Conacher
Hello folks I have written an IMS COBOL program. I have included a couple of ALLOCATE statements. At the end of processing I check my pointers and if they are not NULL I try to FREE. This results in a U4038 abend. At least inside Expediter. I have not used ALLOCATE/FREE before. I am thinking

DB2 question about ULI (Universal adapter)

2023-04-07 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Is it the case that the parameter in the SQL parameter ATTACH option (TSO, CAF, etc.) does not matter as long as the DSNULI stub is included in the program bind? This appears to me to be the case, but I want someone to specifically state it for me in case I am misunderstanding. Also, how do I

Re: REXX/COBOL conversion question

2023-04-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Rupert Reynolds [rreyno...@cix.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2023 3:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: REXX/COBOL conversion question The "principle of least astonishment" works well for me in Rexx, although I confe

Re: REXX/COBOL conversion question

2023-04-06 Thread Rupert Reynolds
The "principle of least astonishment" works well for me in Rexx, although I confess it took a while to make the best of it :-) Yes, I checked in ooRexx and in the docs for Regina:- Comparison with = is case-sensitive and leading/trailing blanks are stripped and/or added. So ("" = "")

Re: REXX/COBOL conversion question

2023-04-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
: Thursday, April 6, 2023 12:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: REXX/COBOL conversion question The variable is defined at level 05 so it is probably part of a structure (group item in terms of cobol). You must maintain the copect length. For example xxx = copies(' ',12). Btw, the compare

Re: REXX/COBOL conversion question

2023-04-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2023 12:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: REXX/COBOL conversion question On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 15:04:19 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >A compare using = adds trailing blanks; use == if you need an exact match. > Trailing and/or l

Re: REXX/COBOL conversion question

2023-04-06 Thread ITschak Mugzach
The variable is defined at level 05 so it is probably part of a structure (group item in terms of cobol). You must maintain the copect length. For example xxx = copies(' ',12). Btw, the compare is ok and will work same as in cobol. Best ITschak בתאריך יום ה׳, 6 באפר׳ 2023 ב-17:58 מאת Allan

Re: REXX/COBOL conversion question

2023-04-06 Thread Warren Brown
Allen:  This is Warren Brown.  Do you remember working with me? Warren  On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 10:58:29 AM EDT, Allan Staller <0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Classification: Confidential I have the following: COBOL: 05 FR-KWY PIC X(12). IF FR-KEY=SPACES  

Re: REXX/COBOL conversion question

2023-04-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 15:04:19 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >A compare using = adds trailing blanks; use == if you need an exact match. > Trailing and/or leading. "=" has a very lenient criterion of numeric equality: "say 2 = ' 200e-2 '" 1 "==" gives better performance (empirically). --

Re: REXX/COBOL conversion question

2023-04-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
UA.EDU Subject: REXX/COBOL conversion question Classification: Confidential I have the following: COBOL: 05 FR-KWY PIC X(12). IF FR-KEY=SPACES MOVE.. REXX: IF fr_key = ' ' THEN Move.. Are these 2 statements equivalent? I suspect REXX will do a 1 -by comp

REXX/COBOL conversion question

2023-04-06 Thread Allan Staller
Classification: Confidential I have the following: COBOL: 05 FR-KWY PIC X(12). IF FR-KEY=SPACES MOVE.. REXX: IF fr_key = ' ' THEN Move.. Are these 2 statements equivalent? I suspect REXX will do a 1 -by compare vs. a 12 byte compare for COBOL. Can anyone

Re: RTM/SDWA question

2023-04-02 Thread Joseph Reichman
, 2023 8:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RTM/SDWA question The registers in the SDWA related to RB or linkage stack entry are not time of error. There are many rules involved with when those registers are saved. If you want registers for retry, then you should save them in a work area

Re: RTM/SDWA question

2023-04-02 Thread Peter Relson
The registers in the SDWA related to RB or linkage stack entry are not time of error. There are many rules involved with when those registers are saved. If you want registers for retry, then you should save them in a work area that you can locate via the ESTAE parameter or the FRR parameter

Re: RTM/SDWA question

2023-04-01 Thread Joseph Reichman
Thanks That’s what I thought In order for my recovery to do a retry My register have to be in tact R3 is the base for all my csects 4 bytes off that is my eyecatcher as I branch round that comparing R3 + 4 for the eyecatcher is how I determine that I start SDWAGR then I try SDWASR Then

Re: RTM/SDWA question

2023-04-01 Thread Peter Relson
Are the registers at SDWASR00 the same as the registers pointed to by SDWARBAD when SDWARBAD is around I have noticed most of the time they are Your words of "most of the time" indicate that you have observed that they are not always. Your observation is correct. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

RTM/SDWA question

2023-03-31 Thread Joseph Reichman
Hi Are the registers at SDWASR00 the same as the registers pointed to by SDWARBAD when SDWARBAD is around I have noticed most of the time they are SDWAS00 doesn't have 64 bit registers Or PSW but if they are the same I can get them from the XSB Thanks

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-27 Thread Seymour J Metz
, March 27, 2023 2:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: A question or two on zOS issues "And, we're not gaining the full benefit because we can't allow it to use vector packed instructions until all sites where the code can run are on compatible hardware." Welcome to the develop

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-27 Thread Seymour J Metz
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: A question or two on zOS issues You're right, and fortunately we were saved from that pain because we procrastinated so long. And we skipped v5 completely. We procrastinated because it took me a long time to rewrite our load module analyzer, as well

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-27 Thread Pommier, Rex
: [EXTERNAL] Re: A question or two on zOS issues Glad to hear that someone followed all the rules so that, unannounced COBOL 5+ didn't cause you packed decimal problems with Truncation and the like. Or same thing with binary. Steve Thompson On 3/27/2023 10:31 AM, Schmitt, Michael wrote: > The l

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-27 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Sometimes the worm that the early bird gets is diseased. :-) From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Schmitt, Michael Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 12:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: A question or two on zOS issues You're right

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-27 Thread Schmitt, Michael
Discussion List On Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 1:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: A question or two on zOS issues As long as you use the correct compiler options with COBOL 5+ to replicate those of your pre-5 COBOL you were likely OK. In our shop we did

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-27 Thread Frank Swarbrick
AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: A question or two on zOS issues Glad to hear that someone followed all the rules so that, unannounced COBOL 5+ didn't cause you packed decimal problems with Truncation and the like. Or same thing with binary. Steve Thompson On 3/27/2023 10:31 AM, Schmit

Re: setfacl question

2023-03-27 Thread Mark Jacobs
It's interesting you mentioned /tmp. That's what started this entire exercise. We migrated our /tmp filesystem from a ZFS to TFS and ran into a problem with our scheduling product. Turned out that it's documented that the product doesn't support TFS event triggering. So if batch job put a file

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-27 Thread Steve Thompson
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Thompson Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 12:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: A question or two on zOS issues Glad to hear that someone followed all the rules so that, unannounced COBOL 5+ didn't cause you packed decima

Re: setfacl question

2023-03-27 Thread Rick Troth
I'm not sure that's possible. In any case, I don't know specifically how to do it. Best practice on Unix is for /tmp to be set as 'chmod 1777'. That way, anyone can write to /tmp but they can then only delete or rename or move files which they own. But if you then created a sub-directory like

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-27 Thread Schmitt, Michael
Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Thompson Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 12:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: A question or two on zOS issues Glad to hear that someone followed all the rules so that, unannounced COBOL 5+ didn't cause you packed

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-27 Thread Steve Thompson
Steve Pryor Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 1:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: A question or two on zOS issues There are a couple of pressing issues in z/OS that I'm sure many folks are aware of but about which there doesn't seem to be much being done. I'm curious as to what other

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-27 Thread Mike Schwab
-Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Steve Pryor > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 1:39 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: A question or two on zOS issues > > There are a couple of pressing issues in z/OS that I'm sure many folk

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-27 Thread Schmitt, Michael
ge- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Pryor Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 1:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: A question or two on zOS issues There are a couple of pressing issues in z/OS that I'm sure many folks are aware of but about which there doesn't seem to b

Re: setfacl question

2023-03-27 Thread Mark Jacobs
I want a directory that anyone can write to/read from and for any files or directories created under it also to be world readable/writable by default. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key -

Re: setfacl question

2023-03-27 Thread Rick Troth
I started a longer reply, but got stuck in the weeds. Can you describe what you're trying to do? -- R; <>< On 3/27/23 07:10, Mark Jacobs wrote: I’ve never been able to get the setfacl command to do what I’m trying to do. Any assistance would be appreciated. I’m trying to set the default ACL

setfacl question

2023-03-27 Thread Mark Jacobs
I’ve never been able to get the setfacl command to do what I’m trying to do. Any assistance would be appreciated. I’m trying to set the default ACL for any new files or directories created in /foo/bar to be world readable/writable, in short I’m looking for the permissions set to 666 for those

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-25 Thread Joel C. Ewing
From Figure 7-1, page 7-21 of SA23-7832-13, z/Architecture Principles of Operations, May, 2022: STORE CLOCK               STCK   S  C     ⁸ ⁹  A STORE CLOCK EXTENDED    STCKE   S  C     ⁸ ⁹  A Lack of a "P" in the  " ⁸ ⁹  A"  column of the table indicates instructions are not "privileged". 

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 23:35:56 -0500, Joel C. Ewing wrote: >...  The STCK and STCKE instructions only provide >read-only access to the TOD clock and are not privileged or restricted >by hardware, but they are not taught in programming texts either. > Citation needed. -- gil

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-25 Thread Mike Schwab
http://www1.cuny.edu/events/fyei/spring_1998/humor.html On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 8:16 AM Peter Relson wrote: > > z/OS does not support setting the clock past the end of the first epoch. Some > forthcoming z/OS release will. > Until then it would probably not be a good idea to try to fake out the

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-25 Thread Peter Relson
z/OS does not support setting the clock past the end of the first epoch. Some forthcoming z/OS release will. Until then it would probably not be a good idea to try to fake out the system. Things will break. z/OS does support expiration dates (such as mortgage end, etc) beyond the first epoch.

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-24 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On z-architecture, only machine instructions that change or set the TOD clock are privileged.  The STCK and STCKE instructions only provide read-only access to the TOD clock and are not privileged or restricted by hardware, but they are not taught in programming texts either. Most who are

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 19:44:32 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: >How do they accomplish that? > Privileged instruction, like I/O or LPSW or SCK. In fact, I'm not certain that the clock is protected, but the user interfaces such as time() and strftime()mare so useful *and*portable* that I've never been

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-24 Thread Tom Marchant
How do they accomplish that? -- Tom Marchant On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 18:07:51 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >But most systems I use admirably do not allow non-privileged users to access >the hardware clock. -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 16:39:59 -0500, Charles Mills wrote: > >I know I have used STCK and STCKF in my "vendor" code. I think it's all still >maintained, but not sure that every licensee is paying for maintenance. > We had one of those with a vendor product on CMS for which we had neglected

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-24 Thread Charles Mills
What about vendor packages that are off maintenance, the vendor has gone out of business, were licensed for a OTC and have been forgotten about, etc.? Any CBT or similar packages? I know I have used STCK and STCKF in my "vendor" code. I think it's all still maintained, but not sure that every

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-24 Thread Joel C. Ewing
ame Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Pryor Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 2:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: A question or two on zOS issues EXTERNAL EMAIL There are a couple of pressing issues in z/OS that I'm sure many folks are aware of but about which there doesn't seem to be much being

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-24 Thread Charles Mills
As a I guy who has been involved in SMF-based "auditing of stuff" off and on for the past ten years, I can tell you that "what programs are actually getting loaded?" comes up again and again, and I don't know of a solution. (Yes, what you describe should work, but be very wary of performance

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-24 Thread Farley, Peter
t: Friday, March 24, 2023 2:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: A question or two on zOS issues EXTERNAL EMAIL There are a couple of pressing issues in z/OS that I'm sure many folks are aware of but about which there doesn't seem to be much being done. I'm curious as to what oth

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-24 Thread Steve Thompson
I know that in one large shop where I had been working, we had someone develop a tool to scan all the production libraries and tell us what the load module was based on (language), level if available, and when last compiled/assembled. This report was one that I used to report on the % of

Re: A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-24 Thread Seymour J Metz
24, 2023 2:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: A question or two on zOS issues There are a couple of pressing issues in z/OS that I'm sure many folks are aware of but about which there doesn't seem to be much being done. I'm curious as to what other IBM-MAINer's thoughts might

A question or two on zOS issues

2023-03-24 Thread Steve Pryor
There are a couple of pressing issues in z/OS that I'm sure many folks are aware of but about which there doesn't seem to be much being done. I'm curious as to what other IBM-MAINer's thoughts might be. Specifically, I'm talking about: 1.) migration to IBM's latest COBOL release, and 2.) the

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2023 4:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question for our international friends (mostly) So would you rather call someone the a-word or the c-word, in public and possibly in mixed company? I

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-21 Thread Bob Bridges
So would you rather call someone the a-word or the c-word, in public and possibly in mixed company? I don't use either, myself (except when reading aloud), but I don't pause if someone uses the former around me. If the question doesn't seem sensible to you, maybe just tell yourself "th

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-21 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023, at 13:59, Seymour J Metz wrote: > And bum is equivalent to the a-word. Yes of course, but there's still a difference in severity been (say) calling someone an a*s/ar*e and the other ... though there is (in Scotland, and for all I know elsewhere too) a vernacular way (maybe

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question for our international friends (mostly) On Tue, 21 Mar 2023, at 13:11, Seymour J Metz wrote: > I also don't understand why fanny pack is offensive ... Fanny is equivalent to the c-word ... -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-21 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023, at 13:11, Seymour J Metz wrote: > I also don't understand why fanny pack is offensive ... Fanny is equivalent to the c-word ... -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2023 8:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question for our international friends (mostly) ' Well, UK English can also get us Americans in trouble, e.g., "fanny".' Yep, made that mistake once. My wife and I were on a bus t

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-21 Thread Schmutzok, Mike (US - Georgia)
' Well, UK English can also get us Americans in trouble, e.g., "fanny".' Yep, made that mistake once. My wife and I were on a bus tour in Ireland and I asked my wife to get something out of her fanny pack and a trio of English ladies quickly corrected me on that usage… Fiserv Michael

Re: OMVS File System Automove question

2023-03-20 Thread Mark Jacobs
I did that, it didn't change from what I could see. I might open a question to IBM support. See what they say. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get=markjac...@protonmail.com --- Original Message

Re: OMVS File System Automove question

2023-03-20 Thread Dave Jousma
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 14:42:41 +, Mark Jacobs wrote: >Thanks, no I didn't think of the chmount command. I ran a test on my sandbox. >the /u directory is showing that automove will exclude the system I specified, >but the file systems mounted under it don't show that attribute, just

Re: OMVS File System Automove question

2023-03-20 Thread Mark Jacobs
Thanks, no I didn't think of the chmount command. I ran a test on my sandbox. the /u directory is showing that automove will exclude the system I specified, but the file systems mounted under it don't show that attribute, just Automove=Y. Do I need to change the mount attribute for all

Re: OMVS File System Automove question

2023-03-20 Thread Dave Jousma
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 13:04:44 +, Mark Jacobs wrote: >Thanks, but that's not helpful in my situation. The problematic file system is >under /u which is under the sysplex root, That has to be automove. > >Mark Jacobs > Correct. Then the only way to "avoid" a lpar is to avoid it with the

Re: OMVS File System Automove question

2023-03-20 Thread Mark Jacobs
Thanks, but that's not helpful in my situation. The problematic file system is under /u which is under the sysplex root, That has to be automove. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key -

Re: OMVS File System Automove question

2023-03-20 Thread Dave Jousma
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 12:03:28 +, Mark Jacobs wrote: >I've been looking at that and testing somethings in our sandbox environment. >The problematic file system that's already impacted us twice is being managed >by automount and I can't see anyway to instruct OMVS not to automove

Re: OMVS File System Automove question

2023-03-20 Thread Mark Jacobs
I've been looking at that and testing somethings in our sandbox environment. The problematic file system that's already impacted us twice is being managed by automount and I can't see anyway to instruct OMVS not to automove filesystems that are managed by the automount policy. Mark Jacobs

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-20 Thread Sean Gleann
(Coming in a bit late on this thread) As others have said, 'kicks' and Hursley are closely related (or rather, _were_. It is my understanding that Hursley Grange is now some sort of IBM museum.) The local no. 66 bus goes between Romsey and Winchester via Hursley, so - at least at some point in the

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-19 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023, at 02:23, Seymour J Metz wrote: > Also Kipling. Kindling ??(sorry) > > The root is from "bundle" of sticks and small pieces of wood, and by > expansion to bundles of other things. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
Also Kipling. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tony Harminc Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 10:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question for our international friends (mostly) On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 at 21:28, Bob Bridges wrote

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-19 Thread Tony Harminc
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 at 21:28, Bob Bridges wrote: > > I'm pretty sure it's not only British authors, but American too if one goes > back far enough, whom I caught using "faggot" to mean a piece of wood for a > fire. From there to a cigarette is an easy step. The root is from "bundle" of sticks

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-19 Thread Bob Bridges
I'm pretty sure it's not only British authors, but American too if one goes back far enough, whom I caught using "faggot" to mean a piece of wood for a fire. From there to a cigarette is an easy step. How the word came to describe an underclassman at a British boarding school, required to run

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-19 Thread Tony Harminc
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 at 13:22, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > Are "route" and "rut" related? "Pronunciation: Brit. pronunciation/rʌt/, U.S. pronunciation/rət/ Forms: α. 1500s rutte, 1500s–1600s rutt, 1500s– rut, 1600s rupt. β. 1500s rotte, 1500s (1900s– English regional (west midlands and southern))

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-19 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023, at 18:04, Colin Paice wrote: > I got into trouble with the Americans ( from the days when people were > allowed to smoke in the office) in a presentation with a chart saying " 10 > minute fag break" That might have been misinterpreted here in the UK too, if those present were

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-19 Thread Colin Paice
v.ua.edu] > Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 6:29 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Question for our international friends (mostly) > > In Australia "rooter" means something rather different, so I suggest you > don't look it up. > I was always surprised that

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
2:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question for our international friends (mostly) On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 at 21:38, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: > > Very interesting discussion. > > I recently tried to understand what the correct pronounciation of the > word "router" is

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
day, March 18, 2023 5:15 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question for our international friends (mostly) Thank you very much, the 2nd word is "roden" in today's German language, roden is the infinitive form. "Ich rode, Du rodest, er rodet, ..." etc. a "nor

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
e9b4-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 6:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question for our international friends (mostly) In Australia "rooter" means something rather different, so I suggest you don't look it up. I was always surprised that most o

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-19 Thread Jay Maynard
The word you're looking for is "aspirated": you're noticing the difference between aspirated and unaspirated /k/. In English, the two sounds are recognized as different realizations of the same phoneme (allophonic). On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:34 AM Bob Bridges wrote: > If you'll allow me just a

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-19 Thread Bob Bridges
I grew up in Minnesota, and visited grandparents a few times every summer in Wisconsin, which we pronounced "wih-SKAHN-sun". Then in my high-school years we moved to Pennsylvania, where I noticed they pronounced it "wiss-KAHN-sun", the 's' moved firmly from the second to the first syllable. I

Re: OMVS File System Automove question

2023-03-19 Thread David Geib
This link has more details about file system movement/ownership during recovery scenarios. https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.4.0?topic=recovery-managing-movement-data -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: OMVS File System Automove question

2023-03-19 Thread David Geib
Check the INCLUDE/EXCLUDE parameters on the MOUNT statements in BPXPRMxx https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.4.0?topic=parameters-statements-bpxprmxx -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

OMVS File System Automove question

2023-03-19 Thread Mark Jacobs
When the owning system is removed from the sysplex is there a way to influence which remaining systems becomes the owner of the file system? I'd like a way to tell OMVS not to assign any automoved file systems to one specific system in the sysplex. Mark Jacobs Sent from

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 4:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question for our international friends

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-18 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Andrew, This reminds me of the time I had temporarily been part of a team to do an ACF2->RACF conversion at a large Canadian bank. (That is a whole story in itself and almost cost me my IBM job.) Anyway ... There was this customer person, who in every meeting kept pronouncing it Ra-KEFF.

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-18 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 18/03/2023 11:54 pm, Bob Bridges wrote: Now that you mention this, I guess I'm being inconsistent when I say "see eye see ess" and "eye em ess", but privately chuckle when ignorami say "are ay see eff" instead of "rack-eff". RACF always amused me, because "rack off" is a (Australian?) way

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-18 Thread Bob Bridges
Most of those are familiar to me, but I've always said "eye dee cams" and "zee oh ess". "SQL" I hear both ways, and pronounce it according to my mood at the time. Never heard of "IFOX00". --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Public opinion: What everyone thinks

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-18 Thread Bob Bridges
Ah! I always thought "loaf" in that context was a reference to the shape of the head, like "nut". Although come to think of it, maybe "nut" (for "nutbread") is rhyming slang too. I wonder how many other rhyming-slang items have made their way into American English without our being aware of

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-18 Thread Windt, W.K.F. van der (Fred)
We (in The Netherlands) say “kicks” like the Brits. Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Phil Smith III Sent: Friday, March 17, 2023 8:15:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Question f

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-18 Thread Rupert Reynolds
It might be my memory, then. As it happens, using CICS maps laid some of the groundwork for programming 3270 datastreams the hard way (addresses in base 64, Start Field Extended and so on). Roops On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, 15:10 Martin Trübner, < 047eec287bd9-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-18 Thread P H
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Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-18 Thread Martin Trübner
Was some CICS work done in Denver? Yes, before it came to Hursley. Also "Denver foot hill" was used However, I insist in Dieter Fritz Hans (since the krauts made it in the beginning) ;-) Martin -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-18 Thread Rupert Reynolds
heeks" (which makes perfect sense, following Italian pronunciation > rules). If your native language isn't English, how do YOU say it? > > > > This is just a curiosity question, obviously! > > > -- >

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-18 Thread Rupert Reynolds
Yes, although it's "A for 'orses" (hay for horses) and so it goes part-way to explaining itself. Proper rhyming slang doesn't explain itself and you just need to know that "loaf" -> "loaf of bread" -> head. Thus "Use your loaf!" was one I heard throughout my teens :-) Roops On Sat, 18 Mar 2023,

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-18 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, at 12:47, Bob Bridges wrote: > I suppose this is based on rhyming slang? I wouldn't begin to know how > to decipher it. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockney_Alphabet where there's explanations. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-18 Thread Bob Bridges
Now that you mention this, I guess I'm being inconsistent when I say "see eye see ess" and "eye em ess", but privately chuckle when ignorami say "are ay see eff" instead of "rack-eff". I've heard "zoss", but I can't imagine ever adopting it. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-18 Thread Bob Bridges
I suppose this is based on rhyming slang? I wouldn't begin to know how to decipher it. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* The first virtue is to restrain the tongue; he approaches nearest to the gods who knows how to be silent, even though he be in the right. -Cato

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-18 Thread John McKown
I'm a Texan ( it's a whole nother country 鸞). I have started saying zed like the Brits. Zee is too easy to confuse with cee, tee, and pee. On Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 16:00 Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > I was giving a talk to some of our guys in Phoenix about REXX. About an > hour into my talk, one of

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2023-03-18 Thread Jay Maynard
owt , but they all > agree they get their kicks (CICS?) on root 66. > Lennie > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of > Jeremy Nicoll > Sent: 18 March 2023 01:49 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Question for our

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