Re: SADUMP IPL tape
Back in my VSE days (DOS/VSE) we created a stand alone IPL tape weekly. I managed to screw up an IPL volume and we needed the tape and the procedure. At the time we hadn't a clue how to IPL from tape (yes!). Fortunately, the systems programmer who set up the procedure was down the road and he jumped in a taxi and rescued the day. I don't think anything disk resident was needed to get us going to the point where we could start things like CICS, which came from disk. On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 3:10 AM Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 16:01, Dana Mitchell wrote: > > They are definitely different. And even within z/OS there will > > sometimes be a PTF that changes an internal structure such that it has > > an ACTION HOLD telling you that you need to recreate the SADUMP program > > But the SADUMP program (at least, 20+ years ago) was a different matter. > That > was generally placed on specific disk volumes. > > The SADUMP tape was only used to get the system IPLed and make it load > the disk-resident program. Has this process changed? > > > -- > Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SADUMP IPL tape
We've also setup DIAGxx to automatically take a SAD and re-IPL if z/OS gets one of the documented wait states. It does work as described. No operator intervention needed. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get=markjac...@protonmail.com ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, November 19th, 2020 at 1:35 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: > Years ago we eliminated tape from the SADUMP process altogether. Also > eliminated operator intervention. For each LPAR, we have a LOAD (IPL) profile > that points to a DASD volume containing SAD IPL text. The SAD parameters run > the dump to DASD without prompting the operator at all. When the dump is > finished, the operator IPLs z/OS as usual. The process is pretty quick. > > . > > . > > J.O.Skip Robinson > > Southern California Edison Company > > Electric Dragon Team Paddler > > SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager > > 323-715-0595 Mobile > > 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW > > robin...@sce.com > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of > Jeremy Nicoll > > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 8:09 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: (External):Re: SADUMP IPL tape > > *** EXTERNAL EMAIL - Use caution when opening links or attachments *** > > On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 16:01, Dana Mitchell wrote: > > > They are definitely different. And even within z/OS there will > > > > sometimes be a PTF that changes an internal structure such that it has > > > > an ACTION HOLD telling you that you need to recreate the SADUMP > > > > program > > But the SADUMP program (at least, 20+ years ago) was a different matter. That > was generally placed on specific disk volumes. > > The SADUMP tape was only used to get the system IPLed and make it load the > disk-resident program. Has this process changed? > > > - > > Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. > > > - > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SADUMP IPL tape
Years ago we eliminated tape from the SADUMP process altogether. Also eliminated operator intervention. For each LPAR, we have a LOAD (IPL) profile that points to a DASD volume containing SAD IPL text. The SAD parameters run the dump to DASD without prompting the operator at all. When the dump is finished, the operator IPLs z/OS as usual. The process is pretty quick. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jeremy Nicoll Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 8:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: SADUMP IPL tape *** EXTERNAL EMAIL - Use caution when opening links or attachments *** On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 16:01, Dana Mitchell wrote: > They are definitely different. And even within z/OS there will > sometimes be a PTF that changes an internal structure such that it has > an ACTION HOLD telling you that you need to recreate the SADUMP > program But the SADUMP program (at least, 20+ years ago) was a different matter. That was generally placed on specific disk volumes. The SADUMP tape was only used to get the system IPLed and make it load the disk-resident program. Has this process changed? -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SADUMP IPL tape
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 16:01, Dana Mitchell wrote: > They are definitely different. And even within z/OS there will > sometimes be a PTF that changes an internal structure such that it has > an ACTION HOLD telling you that you need to recreate the SADUMP program But the SADUMP program (at least, 20+ years ago) was a different matter. That was generally placed on specific disk volumes. The SADUMP tape was only used to get the system IPLed and make it load the disk-resident program. Has this process changed? -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SADUMP IPL tape
They are definitely different. And even within z/OS there will sometimes be a PTF that changes an internal structure such that it has an ACTION HOLD telling you that you need to recreate the SADUMP program Dana On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 10:09:07 -0500, Tony Thigpen wrote: >This is a curiosity question. > >Is the SADUMP IPL tape the same when created by z/OS, z/VM or z/VSE? > >Same question for a SADUMP DASD volume? > >Tony Thigpen > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
SADUMP IPL tape
This is a curiosity question. Is the SADUMP IPL tape the same when created by z/OS, z/VM or z/VSE? Same question for a SADUMP DASD volume? Tony Thigpen -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
