Re: location of JCL for started task

[Seymour J Metz]

Both JES2 and JES3 have alternative PROC sources. Worst case is a started job 
with a JCLLIB DD.


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A job card for a started task is normally found in one of the data sets
pointed to by the IEFPDSI DD or the IEFJOBS DD of your Master JCL. Master
JCL is normally found in SYS1.PARMLIB or one of the data sets in your
PARMLIB concatenation in a member named MSTJCL00 or some other number other
than 00.

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 4:46 AM Bill Giannelli 
wrote:

> I found a WLM entry for an application environment specifying the proc in
> question with the following:
> Starting of server address spaces for a subsystem instance:
>  Managed by WLM
> So is this started from within WLM?
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 03:45:09 +, Gibney, Dave  wrote:
>
> >The job cards from MSTJCL IEFJOBS Dd is newer that started tasks. Sounds
> to me like your STC is started by
> >S procname and any JOB card is system generated. If started before JESx,
> then it's from the proclib concatenation in MSTJCL
> >If after, and your JES proclib concatenation is different, then maybe
> from there.
> >
> >You state you can find the proc. That's probably where it is being
> started from
> >
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> >> Subject: location of JCL for started task
> >>
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> >> we have a PDS for job cards for started tasks, which reference our
> system
> >> proclib.
> >> I have a started task that is executing, yet I can not find the actual
> JCL
> >> (Jobcard, etc). I can find the proc.
> >> How can I find where the JCL is being read from?
> >> thanks
> >> Bill
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Re: location of JCL for started task

[Michael Brennan]

A job card for a started task is normally found in one of the data sets
pointed to by the IEFPDSI DD or the IEFJOBS DD of your Master JCL. Master
JCL is normally found in SYS1.PARMLIB or one of the data sets in your
PARMLIB concatenation in a member named MSTJCL00 or some other number other
than 00.

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 4:46 AM Bill Giannelli 
wrote:

> I found a WLM entry for an application environment specifying the proc in
> question with the following:
> Starting of server address spaces for a subsystem instance:
>  Managed by WLM
> So is this started from within WLM?
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 03:45:09 +, Gibney, Dave  wrote:
>
> >The job cards from MSTJCL IEFJOBS Dd is newer that started tasks. Sounds
> to me like your STC is started by
> >S procname and any JOB card is system generated. If started before JESx,
> then it's from the proclib concatenation in MSTJCL
> >If after, and your JES proclib concatenation is different, then maybe
> from there.
> >
> >You state you can find the proc. That's probably where it is being
> started from
> >
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> >> Behalf Of Bill Giannelli
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> >> Subject: location of JCL for started task
> >>
> >> [EXTERNAL EMAIL]
> >>
> >> we have a PDS for job cards for started tasks, which reference our
> system
> >> proclib.
> >> I have a started task that is executing, yet I can not find the actual
> JCL
> >> (Jobcard, etc). I can find the proc.
> >> How can I find where the JCL is being read from?
> >> thanks
> >> Bill
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Re: location of JCL for started task

[Seymour J Metz]

Typo doing C should be including a JOB card.


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On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 17:08:33 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>...  aShg1ah, ...
>
???

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Re: location of JCL for started task

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 17:08:33 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>...  aShg1ah, ...
>
???

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Re: location of JCL for started task

[Seymour J Metz]

The old OS/360 behavior for START was that the system generated a JOB card. 
Somewhere in the mists of time we acquired the ability to provide complete JCL 
including aShg1ah, but the old code is still there when starting a PROC. More 
specifically, what START for a PROC generates is something like

Generated JOB card
Generated EXEC PROC=name from START with keyword parameters from start
Generated IEFRDER DD with parameters from START



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Subject: location of JCL for started task

we have a PDS for job cards for started tasks, which reference our system 
proclib.
I have a started task that is executing, yet I can not find the actual JCL 
(Jobcard, etc). I can find the proc.
How can I find where the JCL is being read from?
thanks
Bill

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Re: location of JCL for started task

[Bill Giannelli]

I found a WLM entry for an application environment specifying the proc in 
question with the following:
Starting of server address spaces for a subsystem instance: 
 Managed by WLM 
So is this started from within WLM? 
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 03:45:09 +, Gibney, Dave  wrote:

>The job cards from MSTJCL IEFJOBS Dd is newer that started tasks. Sounds to me 
>like your STC is started by
>S procname and any JOB card is system generated. If started before JESx, then 
>it's from the proclib concatenation in MSTJCL
>If after, and your JES proclib concatenation is different, then maybe from 
>there. 
>
>You state you can find the proc. That's probably where it is being started from
>
>> -Original Message-
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>> Behalf Of Bill Giannelli
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>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: location of JCL for started task
>> 
>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL]
>> 
>> we have a PDS for job cards for started tasks, which reference our system
>> proclib.
>> I have a started task that is executing, yet I can not find the actual JCL
>> (Jobcard, etc). I can find the proc.
>> How can I find where the JCL is being read from?
>> thanks
>> Bill
>> 
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Re: location of JCL for started task

[Gibney, Dave]

The job cards from MSTJCL IEFJOBS Dd is newer that started tasks. Sounds to me 
like your STC is started by
S procname and any JOB card is system generated. If started before JESx, then 
it's from the proclib concatenation in MSTJCL
If after, and your JES proclib concatenation is different, then maybe from 
there. 

You state you can find the proc. That's probably where it is being started from

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> 
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL]
> 
> we have a PDS for job cards for started tasks, which reference our system
> proclib.
> I have a started task that is executing, yet I can not find the actual JCL
> (Jobcard, etc). I can find the proc.
> How can I find where the JCL is being read from?
> thanks
> Bill
> 
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Re: location of JCL for started task

[Mike Schwab]

Try IPLINFO and look for your PROCLIB concatenation.  It should be the
first matching member name.
Maybe put the library and member name as a comment in each member?

On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 6:27 PM Bill Giannelli  wrote:
>
> I see in the system log is was submitted from STCINRDR
>
>
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 13:02:55 -0500, Paul Gilmartin  
> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 12:26:19 -0500, Bill Giannelli wrote:
> >
> >>we have a PDS for job cards for started tasks, which reference our system 
> >>proclib.
> >>I have a started task that is executing, yet I can not find the actual JCL 
> >>(Jobcard, etc). I can find the proc.
> >>How can I find where the JCL is being read from?
> >>
> >Might it have  been started from a console?:
> >
> >(or by automation), in which case there might be no such member; only the 
> >command
> >shown in the system log.
> >
> >The audit trail can be hard to follow when someone submits from an editor
> >a job created ab  ovo.
> >
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Re: location of JCL for started task

[Rob Scott]

The PROC panel in SDSF can be used to show the JES2 PROCLIB concatenations and 
from there you can issue "SRCH mask" to hunt for a member name mask.

If the STC in question was started under JES2 subsystem, this might help the OP 
locate the source of the JCL.

Note that the SRCH command can be used on any panel that contains lists of data 
sets that might include PDS/E, including LNK, LPA, PARM and JDD.

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I don't know IOF. In SDSF, I can select the STC and FIND for EXPANDED FROM
to see where it came from.


On Saturday, March 18, 2023, Bill Giannelli  wrote:
> I see in the system log is was submitted from STCINRDR
>
>
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 13:02:55 -0500, Paul Gilmartin 
wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 12:26:19 -0500, Bill Giannelli wrote:
>>
>>>we have a PDS for job cards for started tasks, which reference our
system proclib.
>>>I have a started task that is executing, yet I can not find the actual
JCL (Jobcard, etc). I can find the proc.
>>>How can I find where the JCL is being read from?
>>>
>>Might it have been started from a console?:
>><
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.5.0?topic=command-starting-system-task-from-console<https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.5.0?topic=command-starting-system-task-from-console>
>
>>(or by automation), in which case there might be no such member; only the
command
>>shown in the system log.
>>
>>The audit trail can be hard to follow when someone submits from an editor
>>a job created ab ovo.
>>
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Re: location of JCL for started task

[John McKown]

I don't know IOF. In SDSF, I can select the STC and FIND for EXPANDED FROM
to see where it came from.


On Saturday, March 18, 2023, Bill Giannelli  wrote:
> I see in the system log is was submitted from STCINRDR
>
>
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 13:02:55 -0500, Paul Gilmartin 
wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 12:26:19 -0500, Bill Giannelli wrote:
>>
>>>we have a PDS for job cards for started tasks, which reference our
system proclib.
>>>I have a started task that is executing, yet I can not find the actual
JCL (Jobcard, etc). I can find the proc.
>>>How can I find where the JCL is being read from?
>>>
>>Might it have  been started from a console?:
>><
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.5.0?topic=command-starting-system-task-from-console
>
>>(or by automation), in which case there might be no such member; only the
command
>>shown in the system log.
>>
>>The audit trail can be hard to follow when someone submits from an editor
>>a job created ab  ovo.
>>
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Re: location of JCL for started task

[Bill Giannelli]

I see in the system log is was submitted from STCINRDR


On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 13:02:55 -0500, Paul Gilmartin  wrote:

>On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 12:26:19 -0500, Bill Giannelli wrote:
>
>>we have a PDS for job cards for started tasks, which reference our system 
>>proclib.
>>I have a started task that is executing, yet I can not find the actual JCL 
>>(Jobcard, etc). I can find the proc.
>>How can I find where the JCL is being read from?
>> 
>Might it have  been started from a console?:
>
>(or by automation), in which case there might be no such member; only the 
>command
>shown in the system log.
>
>The audit trail can be hard to follow when someone submits from an editor
>a job created ab  ovo.
>
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Re: location of JCL for started task

[Bob Bridges]

(Aside: Hurray for IOF!  I've used SDSF and SYSVIEW, but I still think IOF is 
easiest.  And they had a REXX interface before SDSF did, or at least before I 
found out that SDSF has one.)

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We have IOF not SDSF.

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Re: location of JCL for started task

[ITschak Mugzach]

It is also possible that the task was started from proc IEESYSAS

בתאריך שבת, 18 במרץ 2023 ב-20:03 מאת Paul Gilmartin <
042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>:

> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 12:26:19 -0500, Bill Giannelli wrote:
>
> >we have a PDS for job cards for started tasks, which reference our system
> proclib.
> >I have a started task that is executing, yet I can not find the actual
> JCL (Jobcard, etc). I can find the proc.
> >How can I find where the JCL is being read from?
> >
> Might it have  been started from a console?:
> <
> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.5.0?topic=command-starting-system-task-from-console
> >
> (or by automation), in which case there might be no such member; only the
> command
> shown in the system log.
>
> The audit trail can be hard to follow when someone submits from an editor
> a job created ab  ovo.
>
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Re: location of JCL for started task

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 12:26:19 -0500, Bill Giannelli wrote:

>we have a PDS for job cards for started tasks, which reference our system 
>proclib.
>I have a started task that is executing, yet I can not find the actual JCL 
>(Jobcard, etc). I can find the proc.
>How can I find where the JCL is being read from?
> 
Might it have  been started from a console?:

(or by automation), in which case there might be no such member; only the 
command
shown in the system log.

The audit trail can be hard to follow when someone submits from an editor
a job created ab  ovo.

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Re: location of JCL for started task

[Billy Ashton]

Bill, does this help at all: 
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.2.0?topic=language-setting-up-started-tasks-master-jcl


Thank you and best regards,
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hi Steve,
We have IOF not SDSF.
But I do not see anywhere where it indicates the pds where the JCL came from 
for that proc.
thanks
Bill
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 12:30:25 -0500, Steve Beaver  wrote:


Go into the running STC in SDSF and in the section that gives the stats it will 
be first line

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 On Mar 18, 2023, at 12:26, Bill Giannelli  wrote:

 we have a PDS for job cards for started tasks, which reference our system 
proclib.
 I have a started task that is executing, yet I can not find the actual JCL 
(Jobcard, etc). I can find the proc.
 How can I find where the JCL is being read from?
 thanks
 Bill

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Re: location of JCL for started task

[Bill Giannelli]

hi Steve,
We have IOF not SDSF.
But I do not see anywhere where it indicates the pds where the JCL came from 
for that proc.
thanks
Bill
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 12:30:25 -0500, Steve Beaver  wrote:

>Go into the running STC in SDSF and in the section that gives the stats it 
>will be first line 
>
>Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 18, 2023, at 12:26, Bill Giannelli  wrote:
>> 
>> we have a PDS for job cards for started tasks, which reference our system 
>> proclib.
>> I have a started task that is executing, yet I can not find the actual JCL 
>> (Jobcard, etc). I can find the proc.
>> How can I find where the JCL is being read from?
>> thanks
>> Bill
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Re: location of JCL for started task

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Go into the running STC in SDSF and in the section that gives the stats it will 
be first line 

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> On Mar 18, 2023, at 12:26, Bill Giannelli  wrote:
> 
> we have a PDS for job cards for started tasks, which reference our system 
> proclib.
> I have a started task that is executing, yet I can not find the actual JCL 
> (Jobcard, etc). I can find the proc.
> How can I find where the JCL is being read from?
> thanks
> Bill
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location of JCL for started task

[Bill Giannelli]

we have a PDS for job cards for started tasks, which reference our system 
proclib.
I have a started task that is executing, yet I can not find the actual JCL 
(Jobcard, etc). I can find the proc.
How can I find where the JCL is being read from?
thanks
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