] on behalf of Tim
Hare [haresystemssupp...@comcast.net]
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I know there's still a VS FORTRAN compiler on a machine I work on - is it still
supported, or does it just "
I know there's still a VS FORTRAN compiler on a machine I work on - is it still
supported, or does it just "work". Haven't seen updates for it in forever; we
are running down what was compiled with it that may still be running. All the
important stuff moved to a FORTRAN supplied by another
I own myself second place in this exchange. And it occurred to me only
after I hit that I could have written you privately, rather than
publicly; my apologies for that.
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Mr Metz resolutely straightens everyone else's pictures, in this listserv,
but is ve
W dniu 02.07.2020 o 16:39, Clark Morris pisze:
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r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.) wrote:
snip
BTW: As a mainframe bigot I sometimes am forced to explain why so old
things are still in use. Yes, z14 or z15 is veery old. As
Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org]
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>
> Why do you have to be so hostile? I did not see any mention of OS
> compatibility. That is precisely w
Mr Metz resolutely straightens everyone else's pictures, in this listserv,
but is very sensitive about his own. Most of us, it seems to me, forgive
him and ignore it.
You did cross a line, though, Seymour, this time. I perceive no hostility
in Mr Mills' post, and yours positively bristled with
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Why do you have to be
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WTF? Where do you see "OS compatibility"? The issues that I raised were all
architecture and instruction set.
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Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org]
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If you are going to include OS compatibility as well as hardware
compatibility then there are issues such as control blocks that h
: Thursday, July 2, 2020 9:07 AM
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> The only thing which might not work would
> be something which was CPU speed dependent.
That's not the only thing. A program that relies on getting certain pr
[joemon...@gmail.com]
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Honestly, this whole discussion is kind of pointless, no?
z/os IBM/390 IBM/370 IBM/360 all share ... instruction set. While the
newer models all
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On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 5:56 AM Joe Monk wrote:
> Honestly, this whole discussion is kind of pointless, no?
>
> z/os IBM/390
.NET 3.5 includes all earlier versions.
Current .NET is 4.8.x which include 4.6.2 and 4.7.2.
Joe
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:39 AM Clark Morris wrote:
> [Default] On 2 Jul 2020 02:13:34 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
> r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.) wrote:
>
> >> snip
> >
> >BTW: As a
[Default] On 2 Jul 2020 02:13:34 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.) wrote:
>> snip
>
>BTW: As a mainframe bigot I sometimes am forced to explain why so old
>things are still in use. Yes, z14 or z15 is veery old. As old as
>z/OS 2.4, or DB2. It is hard job,
[Default] On 1 Jul 2020 21:39:05 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) wrote:
>Do you mean only that IBM has changed the underlying hardware used to
>implement what they called Machine Interface (MI) on the S/38, or do you mean
>that they have changed the MI itself?
I
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 5:56 AM Joe Monk wrote:
> Honestly, this whole discussion is kind of pointless, no?
>
> z/os IBM/390 IBM/370 IBM/360 all share ... instruction set. While the
> newer models all have newer instructions, object code assembled on a 360 is
> just as valid today as it was in
Honestly, this whole discussion is kind of pointless, no?
z/os IBM/390 IBM/370 IBM/360 all share ... instruction set. While the
newer models all have newer instructions, object code assembled on a 360 is
just as valid today as it was in 1960.
Joe
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 4:13 AM R.S. wrote:
>
W dniu 01.07.2020 o 20:57, Frank Swarbrick pisze:
Thanks Tim.
I can't imagine being comfortable writing new code, at least, for a compiler
that has not been updated in 35 years, but maybe that's just me.
Now that we know what languages are still supported, I am still curious if
anyone out
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[Default] On 1 Jul 2020 14:43:51 -0700, in bit.listserv.ib
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 21:43:42 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>Comfort isn't the only issue. When they change the law such that the code no
>longer complies, then you have to bite the bullet and update it? Lost the
>source code? There could be legal consequences. YMMV.
>
For such reasons,
[Default] On 1 Jul 2020 14:43:51 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) wrote:
>Comfort isn't the only issue. When they change the law such that the code no
>longer complies, then you have to bite the bullet and update it? Lost the
>source code? There could be legal
[frank.swarbr...@outlook.com]
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Thanks Tim.
I can't imagine being comfortable writing new code, at least, for a compiler
that has not been updated in 35 years, but maybe that
.
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Timothy Sipples
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:07 AM
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Subject: Re: z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages
Frank Swarbrick asked:
>Is Pascal also still supported/
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 14:07:08 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote:
>
>... And obviously IBM markets and supports ..., REXX, ...
>
As long as "support" isn't construed to imply ANSI conformance.
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/me wonders how many script kiddies have gotten excited to learn there's
apparently a language specifically for creating role-playing games...
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 2:07 AM Timothy Sipples wrote:
> Frank Swarbrick asked:
> >Is Pascal also still supported/used?
>
> IBM VS Pascal (5668-767) is
Frank Swarbrick asked:
>Is Pascal also still supported/used?
IBM VS Pascal (5668-767) is still IBM marketed and supported:
https://www.ibm.com/support/lifecycle/#/details?q45=M618799U16404L24
The New Stanford Pascal Compiler is also available:
https://github.com/StanfordPascal/Pascal
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On 30 Jun 2020 12:18:01 -0700, in bit.listserv.i
On 30 Jun 2020 12:18:01 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
(Message-ID:)
frank.swarbr...@outlook.com (Frank Swarbrick) wrote:
Some time ago I noticed that z/OS Language Environment has
support for both "FORTRAN IV" and "VS FORTRAN" (FORTRAN 77
standard), even though the latest Fortran compiler
Some time ago I noticed that z/OS Language Environment has support for both
"FORTRAN IV" and "VS FORTRAN" (FORTRAN 77 standard), even though the latest
Fortran compiler hasn't been enhanced since 1993 (??). I've been learning
modern Fortran (standards Fortran 90, 95, 03 and 08) using GNU
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