A more outrageous example. Some years ago management decided that we did not 
really need Netview, so they refused to order the next upgrade that was 
actually quite a bit more expensive. BUILDMCS came to the rescue. By comparison 
with Book Mgr, Netview is very complicated. Had elements in NUCLEUS as I 
recall. Nonetheless it worked long enough for management to see the light and 
pony up for the next version. BUILDMCS a powerful tool. 

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J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler 
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
626-302-7535 Office
323-715-0595 Mobile
jo.skip.robin...@sce.com

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of John Eells
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 10:20 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: Bookmanager BUILD and z/OS V2.2

Juergen Kehr wrote:
> As you probably know Bookmanager BUILD isn't supported and delivered with 
> z/OS V2.2 anymore.
>
> We've had the idea to transfer the "old" Bookmanager BUILD FMIDs via BUILDMCS 
> into a seperate CSI in the V2.2 environment. Now our question is: Will this 
> work? Of course it's not offically supported, but their are many unsupported 
> old z/OS or even MVS or OS/VS product, which run perfect although in very new 
> environments.
>
> Does anybody have any experiences with this approach? Thanks in advance.
<snip>

We generally do not break things on purpose when they are no longer supported 
or offered. For example, I think BTAM/SP worked for at *least* a decade after 
we withdrew it, and maybe even two. However, we also do not test with them, and 
if we happen to make a change that breaks them, we will not even know we did 
it--as happened, eventually, to BTAM.

That said, my guess is that Bookmanager Build does nothing special and will 
likely continue to work. The usual caveats around BUILDMCS apply, though. 
ACCEPT all service first, look in the zone where it's installed to see whether 
it has any cross-FMID considerations that would preclude installation in a 
separate zone and libraries (e.g., shared load modules), and so on.  If it does 
have an intra-zone dependency, it might even be something reasonably easy to 
manage (such as an interaction with Bookmanager Read, which you could BUILDMCS 
out and install alongside it).

BUILDMCS is remarkably fast, and APPLYing something relatively small without 
any PTFs is pretty quick too. I'd be inclined to do some quick checking, try 
it, and see whether it works.

--
John Eells
z/OS Technical Marketing
IBM Poughkeepsie
ee...@us.ibm.com


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