Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mainframe Modernization
Wow! That one goes in my bookmarks! --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Beware of any Christian leader who does not walk with a limp. -Bob Mumford */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of allan winston Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 12:55 I stand corrected. Thanks for the link to https://ibmdocs.pocnet.net/, which I was previously unaware of. --- On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 12:35 PM Ed Jaffe wrote: > Google Schmoogle... > > The message id shown in my example (BPW00256I) is documented in > Appendix C of IBM BatchPipes OS/390 V2R1 BatchPipeWorks Users Guide: > https://ibmdocs.pocnet.net/SA22-7457-00.pdf > --- On 10/21/2021 9:16 AM, allan winston wrote: > > When I Google "TSO PIPE", I found that it is a command within Netview. > > BatchPipes is a completely different program product. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
TSO Pipe command (Was: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mainframe Modernization)
Ed, Johnathan; You guys are *so *lucky. A few quick notes to get you started: - Unlike Unix piping, terminal output from the last stage is not implied. (You'll find this makes sense later.) pipe < some.dsn | count words lines | term - The <, >, and >> are filters on their own, also unlike Unix. (You'll see this makes sense later.) - Pipes I/O is better than execio. You can read and write both datasets and DD names: "pipe < ddname=sysut1 | translate lower | > lower.case" - Pipes is integrated with REXX. You can use variables and stems: "pipe var fred | split | stem fredwords." - - Stay with single stream piping for now. You can do a lot with single streams before you need to go to the next level. - Stages can be aware of their position in the stream. Some stages behave differently depending where they appear, especially in first position. (You'll also see that this makes sense later.) - *pipe help count* and/or *pipe ahelp translate* is a full-screen resource. *pipe help* for a menu. Take a look at the marist.edu pipeline site, especially Melinda Varian's introduction to pipes. Be prepared to blow the minds of your coworkers and your management I'll be happy to help in any way I can. When I first tried Pipes, not giving a pipe specification just gave an obscure syntax error. Good luck. OREXXMan Would you rather pass data in move mode (*nix piping) or locate mode (Pipes) or via disk (JCL)? Why do you think you rarely see *nix commands with more than a dozen filters, while Pipelines specifications are commonly over 100s of stages, and 1000s of stages are not uncommon. REXX is the new C. On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 10:59 AM Ed Jaffe wrote: > On 10/21/2021 8:18 AM, Nash, Jonathan S. wrote: > > ... I just tried TSO PIPE and it worked > > READY > pipe > BPW00256I Enter a pipeline specification > READY > > -- > Phoenix Software International > Edward E. Jaffe > 831 Parkview Drive North > El Segundo, CA 90245 > https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ > > > > > This e-mail message, including any attachments, appended messages and the > information contained therein, is for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient or have otherwise > received this email message in error, any use, dissemination, distribution, > review, storage or copying of this e-mail message and the information > contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you are not an intended > recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies > of this email message and do not otherwise utilize or retain this email > message or any or all of the information contained therein. Although this > email message and any attachments or appended messages are believed to be > free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system > into > which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient > to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the > sender for any loss or damage arising in any way from its opening or use. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mainframe Modernization
Ed, I stand corrected. Thanks for the link to https://ibmdocs.pocnet.net/, which I was previously unaware of. About a week ago, I was looking for BatchPipes manuals and had only found the main reference manual. Now I have added the other manuals to my collection. Allan On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 12:35 PM Ed Jaffe wrote: > On 10/21/2021 9:16 AM, allan winston wrote: > > When I Google "TSO PIPE", I found that it is a command within Netview. > > BatchPipes is a completely different program product. > > Google Schmoogle... > > The message id shown in my example (BPW00256I) is documented in Appendix > C of IBM BatchPipes OS/390 V2R1 BatchPipeWorks Users Guide: > https://ibmdocs.pocnet.net/SA22-7457-00.pdf > > READY > pipe > BPW00256I Enter a pipeline specification > READY > > -- > Phoenix Software International > Edward E. Jaffe > 831 Parkview Drive North > El Segundo, CA 90245 > https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ > > > > > This e-mail message, including any attachments, appended messages and the > information contained therein, is for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient or have otherwise > received this email message in error, any use, dissemination, distribution, > review, storage or copying of this e-mail message and the information > contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you are not an intended > recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies > of this email message and do not otherwise utilize or retain this email > message or any or all of the information contained therein. Although this > email message and any attachments or appended messages are believed to be > free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system > into > which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient > to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the > sender for any loss or damage arising in any way from its opening or use. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mainframe Modernization
I would've said Shmegoogle (a takeoff on Shmegheggi) On 2021-10-21 12:34, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 10/21/2021 9:16 AM, allan winston wrote: When I Google "TSO PIPE", I found that it is a command within Netview. BatchPipes is a completely different program product. Google Schmoogle... The message id shown in my example (BPW00256I) is documented in Appendix C of IBM BatchPipes OS/390 V2R1 BatchPipeWorks Users Guide: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fibmdocs.pocnet.net%2FSA22-7457-00.pdfdata=04%7C01%7C%7C351110e1c98f4b0dee9f08d994b0bfc8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637704309218589125%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=sWJ8JQQpDqvyK2Bgpeh0GCX1jaUlRwLYxd32dwXwT8s%3Dreserved=0 READY pipe BPW00256I Enter a pipeline specification READY -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mainframe Modernization
On 10/21/2021 9:16 AM, allan winston wrote: When I Google "TSO PIPE", I found that it is a command within Netview. BatchPipes is a completely different program product. Google Schmoogle... The message id shown in my example (BPW00256I) is documented in Appendix C of IBM BatchPipes OS/390 V2R1 BatchPipeWorks Users Guide: https://ibmdocs.pocnet.net/SA22-7457-00.pdf READY pipe BPW00256I Enter a pipeline specification READY -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ This e-mail message, including any attachments, appended messages and the information contained therein, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient or have otherwise received this email message in error, any use, dissemination, distribution, review, storage or copying of this e-mail message and the information contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this email message and do not otherwise utilize or retain this email message or any or all of the information contained therein. Although this email message and any attachments or appended messages are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the sender for any loss or damage arising in any way from its opening or use. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mainframe Modernization
When I Google "TSO PIPE", I found that it is a command within Netview. BatchPipes is a completely different program product. On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:59 AM Ed Jaffe wrote: > On 10/21/2021 8:18 AM, Nash, Jonathan S. wrote: > > ... I just tried TSO PIPE and it worked > > READY > pipe > BPW00256I Enter a pipeline specification > READY > > -- > Phoenix Software International > Edward E. Jaffe > 831 Parkview Drive North > El Segundo, CA 90245 > https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ > > > > > This e-mail message, including any attachments, appended messages and the > information contained therein, is for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient or have otherwise > received this email message in error, any use, dissemination, distribution, > review, storage or copying of this e-mail message and the information > contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you are not an intended > recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies > of this email message and do not otherwise utilize or retain this email > message or any or all of the information contained therein. Although this > email message and any attachments or appended messages are believed to be > free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system > into > which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient > to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the > sender for any loss or damage arising in any way from its opening or use. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mainframe Modernization
On 10/21/2021 8:18 AM, Nash, Jonathan S. wrote: ... I just tried TSO PIPE and it worked READY pipe BPW00256I Enter a pipeline specification READY -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ This e-mail message, including any attachments, appended messages and the information contained therein, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient or have otherwise received this email message in error, any use, dissemination, distribution, review, storage or copying of this e-mail message and the information contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this email message and do not otherwise utilize or retain this email message or any or all of the information contained therein. Although this email message and any attachments or appended messages are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the sender for any loss or damage arising in any way from its opening or use. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mainframe Modernization
Google > replacing mainframe with cloud >> ck the companies statements on LEGECY , BUT PRECISELY pretty much hits the nail on the head when it comes to looking at what you have vs going to another platform. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Nash, Jonathan S. Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 10:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mainframe Modernization ** EXTERNAL EMAIL - USE CAUTION ** Some goverment agencies are replacing their mainframe COBOL with java. I dont see a payoff. I think this is driven by contracting companies who will make money off the conversion and managers who do not know anything about programming languages but read somewhere that COBOL is out of date. Many agencies and companies used to have in house COBOL, JCL, etc training. Now they just say they cant find programmers who know COBOL. Most of the people I worked with 20 years ago had learned COBOL on the JOB. Some agencies want to move data bases from mainframe DB2 to some kind of cloud data base. I tried to get Zowe working. No one is using it here. From what I saw of the interface I like ISPF edit better with add in edit macros and REXX EXECs that I learned about on IBM-MAIN. Zowe told me it couldnt find java even thought I kept entering the location in what looked like the right spot. I gave up. This interface might appeal to kids who learn COBOL though. I used to use smart batch pipes works in REXX which was nice. I learned about it on IBM-MAIN. Later they shut it off and said I was the ONLY one using it in my shop and wanted to know how I leared about it. (IBM-MAIN) I just tried TSO PIPE and it worked so... If IBM is loosing market share, perhaps things like smart batch pipes works should be free ? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Eric D Rossman Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 10:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mainframe Modernization What kind of "lies- smoke and mirrors" do you see that IBM should be pushing back on with our marketing? I'm just a highly technical crypto guy, so I don't write the marketing copy, but you have piqued my interest. Eric Rossman, CISSP(r) ICSF Cryptographic Security Development z/OS Enabling Technologies edros...@us.ibm.com "Ron Wells" wrote on 10/21/2021 09:05:05 AM: > IBM needs to push back in Marketing , be more forceful stop the > lies- smoke and mirrors -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Email Disclaimer This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, which may be legally privileged information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mainframe Modernization
Some goverment agencies are replacing their mainframe COBOL with java. I dont see a payoff. I think this is driven by contracting companies who will make money off the conversion and managers who do not know anything about programming languages but read somewhere that COBOL is out of date. Many agencies and companies used to have in house COBOL, JCL, etc training. Now they just say they cant find programmers who know COBOL. Most of the people I worked with 20 years ago had learned COBOL on the JOB. Some agencies want to move data bases from mainframe DB2 to some kind of cloud data base. I tried to get Zowe working. No one is using it here. From what I saw of the interface I like ISPF edit better with add in edit macros and REXX EXECs that I learned about on IBM-MAIN. Zowe told me it couldnt find java even thought I kept entering the location in what looked like the right spot. I gave up. This interface might appeal to kids who learn COBOL though. I used to use smart batch pipes works in REXX which was nice. I learned about it on IBM-MAIN. Later they shut it off and said I was the ONLY one using it in my shop and wanted to know how I leared about it. (IBM-MAIN) I just tried TSO PIPE and it worked so... If IBM is loosing market share, perhaps things like smart batch pipes works should be free ? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Eric D Rossman Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 10:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mainframe Modernization What kind of "lies- smoke and mirrors" do you see that IBM should be pushing back on with our marketing? I'm just a highly technical crypto guy, so I don't write the marketing copy, but you have piqued my interest. Eric Rossman, CISSP(r) ICSF Cryptographic Security Development z/OS Enabling Technologies edros...@us.ibm.com "Ron Wells" wrote on 10/21/2021 09:05:05 AM: > IBM needs to push back in Marketing , be more forceful stop the > lies- smoke and mirrors -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
