Re: [External] IBM z15 Announcement Letter
Nobody's perfect. ;-) BTW: I found my z15 Service Guide. Of course it is still not available on ResourceLink. Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 07.08.2020 o 17:32, Pommier, Rex pisze: Sorry, Radoslaw, I missed the comment about earlier versions aren't there either". I was focusing on the z15 part. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 3:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [External] IBM z15 Announcement Letter As I wrote it is not the case when the book is not yet available. All other books are available, because they are available since GA of z15. The same apply to z14 and older machines. And older Announcement Letters (and some other documents) also mention Service Guide as one of the books available on Resource Link. Remarks: 1. I see no reason to treat Service Guide differently, but this is not the point. 2. The point is IBM claims something different than IBM do with this book. Let's imagine IBM says "the only way you can get Service Guide is ., it is NOT available on Resource Link because we decided so". OK, their book, their decision. However IBM claims "yes, you can get this book from ResourceLink", but it is not true. Personal remarks: 1. I have Service Guide for machines z10-z14. 2. I lack this Guide for z9, z990 and z900 machines and see no way to get it. 3. I've got z15 Service Guide in the past, but it seems I lost it (muddler! silly me). However I hope I will get it again. The method is quite simple: some friendly person send me this manual. Sometimes it is some IBMer which I don't know and he checked whether the book is available to "unwashed masses". Nevermind. 4. Unfortunately, this is old true: if you want some document, then keep it on your disk (and make backups). Any Internet service can be down when you need it, connection may be failing or the service owner may change rules. 5. Most document in huge library are not needed for years, but you never know when something is needed... 6. I like this book and I browse/read it. You may call it deviation, but this is part of education about the machines. ;-) Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 06.08.2020 o 17:29, Pommier, Rex pisze: Radoslaw, The announcement letter says the planned availability date for the enhancements is September 15. I believe the documentation will be available on that date as well. In your note below, you quoted them " and will be available at planned availability in the "Library" section of Resource Link:". Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 6:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] IBM z15 Announcement Letter I just read IBM Announcement Letter regarding z15 enhancements https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/0/897/ENUS120-050/index.html=en_locale=en At the bottom they write about documentation. The following publications are shipped with the product and will be available at planned availability in the "Library" section of Resource Link: IBM 8561 Service Guide GC28-6998 IBM 8562 Service Guide GC28-7010 Service Guide. This manual is delivered with MES (upgrade) or with new machine - "shipped with the product". However it is NOT available in Resource Link. So, the official Letter tells us lies. It is not just typo, or "books are not yet available". Similar information is mentioned in many previous Letters, but Service Guide is NOT available for z15, z14, z13, etc. Is it intentional? What is the goal to misinform customers? Notes: 1. This is not classified as "licensed" or "restricted" material. This is one of the books comprising technical documentation available to customer. 2. This book is delivered on CD and/or hardcopy. It is delivered with new machine or with MES (upgrade). 3. AFAIK this is the only book in such strange state. Other documentation is available on Resource Link. Everything except this one book. 4. Do not confuse this Service Guid with similar titles, like Service Guide for HMC, SE, TKE. This manual is for CPC. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy d
Re: [External] IBM z15 Announcement Letter
Sorry, Radoslaw, I missed the comment about earlier versions aren't there either". I was focusing on the z15 part. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 3:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [External] IBM z15 Announcement Letter As I wrote it is not the case when the book is not yet available. All other books are available, because they are available since GA of z15. The same apply to z14 and older machines. And older Announcement Letters (and some other documents) also mention Service Guide as one of the books available on Resource Link. Remarks: 1. I see no reason to treat Service Guide differently, but this is not the point. 2. The point is IBM claims something different than IBM do with this book. Let's imagine IBM says "the only way you can get Service Guide is ., it is NOT available on Resource Link because we decided so". OK, their book, their decision. However IBM claims "yes, you can get this book from ResourceLink", but it is not true. Personal remarks: 1. I have Service Guide for machines z10-z14. 2. I lack this Guide for z9, z990 and z900 machines and see no way to get it. 3. I've got z15 Service Guide in the past, but it seems I lost it (muddler! silly me). However I hope I will get it again. The method is quite simple: some friendly person send me this manual. Sometimes it is some IBMer which I don't know and he checked whether the book is available to "unwashed masses". Nevermind. 4. Unfortunately, this is old true: if you want some document, then keep it on your disk (and make backups). Any Internet service can be down when you need it, connection may be failing or the service owner may change rules. 5. Most document in huge library are not needed for years, but you never know when something is needed... 6. I like this book and I browse/read it. You may call it deviation, but this is part of education about the machines. ;-) Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 06.08.2020 o 17:29, Pommier, Rex pisze: > Radoslaw, > > The announcement letter says the planned availability date for the > enhancements is September 15. I believe the documentation will be available > on that date as well. In your note below, you quoted them " and will be > available at planned availability in the "Library" section of Resource Link:". > > Rex > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > R.S. > Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 6:34 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [External] IBM z15 Announcement Letter > > I just read IBM Announcement Letter regarding z15 enhancements > https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/0/897/ENUS120-050/index.html=en_locale=en > > At the bottom they write about documentation. > > The following publications are shipped with the product and will be available > at planned availability in the "Library" section of Resource Link: > IBM 8561 Service Guide GC28-6998 > IBM 8562 Service Guide GC28-7010 > > Service Guide. This manual is delivered with MES (upgrade) or with new > machine - "shipped with the product". > However it is NOT available in Resource Link. > So, the official Letter tells us lies. > > It is not just typo, or "books are not yet available". Similar information is > mentioned in many previous Letters, but Service Guide is NOT available for > z15, z14, z13, etc. > > Is it intentional? What is the goal to misinform customers? > > Notes: > 1. This is not classified as "licensed" or "restricted" material. This is one > of the books comprising technical documentation available to customer. > 2. This book is delivered on CD and/or hardcopy. It is delivered with new > machine or with MES (upgrade). > 3. AFAIK this is the only book in such strange state. Other documentation is > available on Resource Link. Everything except this one book. > 4. Do not confuse this Service Guid with similar titles, like Service Guide > for HMC, SE, TKE. This manual is for CPC. > > > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,ww
Re: [External] IBM z15 Announcement Letter
As I wrote it is not the case when the book is not yet available. All other books are available, because they are available since GA of z15. The same apply to z14 and older machines. And older Announcement Letters (and some other documents) also mention Service Guide as one of the books available on Resource Link. Remarks: 1. I see no reason to treat Service Guide differently, but this is not the point. 2. The point is IBM claims something different than IBM do with this book. Let's imagine IBM says "the only way you can get Service Guide is ., it is NOT available on Resource Link because we decided so". OK, their book, their decision. However IBM claims "yes, you can get this book from ResourceLink", but it is not true. Personal remarks: 1. I have Service Guide for machines z10-z14. 2. I lack this Guide for z9, z990 and z900 machines and see no way to get it. 3. I've got z15 Service Guide in the past, but it seems I lost it (muddler! silly me). However I hope I will get it again. The method is quite simple: some friendly person send me this manual. Sometimes it is some IBMer which I don't know and he checked whether the book is available to "unwashed masses". Nevermind. 4. Unfortunately, this is old true: if you want some document, then keep it on your disk (and make backups). Any Internet service can be down when you need it, connection may be failing or the service owner may change rules. 5. Most document in huge library are not needed for years, but you never know when something is needed... 6. I like this book and I browse/read it. You may call it deviation, but this is part of education about the machines. ;-) Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 06.08.2020 o 17:29, Pommier, Rex pisze: Radoslaw, The announcement letter says the planned availability date for the enhancements is September 15. I believe the documentation will be available on that date as well. In your note below, you quoted them " and will be available at planned availability in the "Library" section of Resource Link:". Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 6:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] IBM z15 Announcement Letter I just read IBM Announcement Letter regarding z15 enhancements https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/0/897/ENUS120-050/index.html=en_locale=en At the bottom they write about documentation. The following publications are shipped with the product and will be available at planned availability in the "Library" section of Resource Link: IBM 8561 Service Guide GC28-6998 IBM 8562 Service Guide GC28-7010 Service Guide. This manual is delivered with MES (upgrade) or with new machine - "shipped with the product". However it is NOT available in Resource Link. So, the official Letter tells us lies. It is not just typo, or "books are not yet available". Similar information is mentioned in many previous Letters, but Service Guide is NOT available for z15, z14, z13, etc. Is it intentional? What is the goal to misinform customers? Notes: 1. This is not classified as "licensed" or "restricted" material. This is one of the books comprising technical documentation available to customer. 2. This book is delivered on CD and/or hardcopy. It is delivered with new machine or with MES (upgrade). 3. AFAIK this is the only book in such strange state. Other documentation is available on Resource Link. Everything except this one book. 4. Do not confuse this Service Guid with similar titles, like Service Guide for HMC, SE, TKE. This manual is for CPC. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded th
Re: [External] IBM z15 Announcement Letter
Radoslaw is correct however. The actual Service Guide PDF's do not appear to be publicly available even for older models, or perhaps only via Resource Link for actual IBM hardware customers. It seems that you can't get them from the Library site here: https://www-05.ibm.com/e-business/linkweb/puc/jsp/index.jsp?page=Search=search I do not have a real customer sign-in for instance, so I cannot check to see if they are available on Resource Link. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [External] IBM z15 Announcement Letter Radoslaw, The announcement letter says the planned availability date for the enhancements is September 15. I believe the documentation will be available on that date as well. In your note below, you quoted them " and will be available at planned availability in the "Library" section of Resource Link:". Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 6:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] IBM z15 Announcement Letter I just read IBM Announcement Letter regarding z15 enhancements https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/0/897/ENUS120-050/index.html=en_locale=en At the bottom they write about documentation. The following publications are shipped with the product and will be available at planned availability in the "Library" section of Resource Link: IBM 8561 Service Guide GC28-6998 IBM 8562 Service Guide GC28-7010 Service Guide. This manual is delivered with MES (upgrade) or with new machine - "shipped with the product". However it is NOT available in Resource Link. So, the official Letter tells us lies. It is not just typo, or "books are not yet available". Similar information is mentioned in many previous Letters, but Service Guide is NOT available for z15, z14, z13, etc. Is it intentional? What is the goal to misinform customers? Notes: 1. This is not classified as "licensed" or "restricted" material. This is one of the books comprising technical documentation available to customer. 2. This book is delivered on CD and/or hardcopy. It is delivered with new machine or with MES (upgrade). 3. AFAIK this is the only book in such strange state. Other documentation is available on Resource Link. Everything except this one book. 4. Do not confuse this Service Guid with similar titles, like Service Guide for HMC, SE, TKE. This manual is for CPC. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [External] IBM z15 Announcement Letter
Radoslaw, The announcement letter says the planned availability date for the enhancements is September 15. I believe the documentation will be available on that date as well. In your note below, you quoted them " and will be available at planned availability in the "Library" section of Resource Link:". Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 6:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] IBM z15 Announcement Letter I just read IBM Announcement Letter regarding z15 enhancements https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/0/897/ENUS120-050/index.html=en_locale=en At the bottom they write about documentation. The following publications are shipped with the product and will be available at planned availability in the "Library" section of Resource Link: IBM 8561 Service Guide GC28-6998 IBM 8562 Service Guide GC28-7010 Service Guide. This manual is delivered with MES (upgrade) or with new machine - "shipped with the product". However it is NOT available in Resource Link. So, the official Letter tells us lies. It is not just typo, or "books are not yet available". Similar information is mentioned in many previous Letters, but Service Guide is NOT available for z15, z14, z13, etc. Is it intentional? What is the goal to misinform customers? Notes: 1. This is not classified as "licensed" or "restricted" material. This is one of the books comprising technical documentation available to customer. 2. This book is delivered on CD and/or hardcopy. It is delivered with new machine or with MES (upgrade). 3. AFAIK this is the only book in such strange state. Other documentation is available on Resource Link. Everything except this one book. 4. Do not confuse this Service Guid with similar titles, like Service Guide for HMC, SE, TKE. This manual is for CPC. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
