Re: 35th International Rexx Symposium in Birsbane (Australia) about to start

[Seymour J Metz]

Not every paradigm has a name, and not every use of a name has the same 
definition. When I'm using a specific language I use the nomenclature for that 
language; in a more general context, all bets are off.

You have a similar situation in Mathematics, where texts typically start with 
the nomenclature and conventions used, but even within a text there may be 
chapters with a different convention.

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Well, let me focus on that one thing.  If I can define a class as a cluster of 
data values and/or subroutines, and instantiate objects in that class, then 
isn't that "object-oriented" even if it doesn't have any features to define 
inheritance from other classes?  You may think it's a pretty feature-poor 
example of it, but what else would you call it if not "object-oriented"?

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I'ld say that to be  OO it must at least have inheritance.


From: Bob Bridges
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 2:30 PM

Well, yeah.  But a) I'm not far enough into that debate to understand all the 
issues and distinctions, and b) at any rate "object-oriented" means SOMETHING.  
As I said, when he wrote "dynamic" I was sure he didn't mean just "lively" or 
"ever-changing".

Heck, I'm satisfied if "object-oriented" means merely that I can define objects 
and create instances of them.  All the other stuff about inheritance and other 
even more arcane features, they're great, but I wouldn't say a language cannot 
be object-oriented without them.

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Actually, there's been a decades long language war over what object-oriented 
means.

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Re: 35th International Rexx Symposium in Birsbane (Australia) about to start

[Bob Bridges]

Well, let me focus on that one thing.  If I can define a class as a cluster of 
data values and/or subroutines, and instantiate objects in that class, then 
isn't that "object-oriented" even if it doesn't have any features to define 
inheritance from other classes?  You may think it's a pretty feature-poor 
example of it, but what else would you call it if not "object-oriented"?

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Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 15:19

I'ld say that to be  OO it must at least have inheritance.


From: Bob Bridges
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 2:30 PM

Well, yeah.  But a) I'm not far enough into that debate to understand all the 
issues and distinctions, and b) at any rate "object-oriented" means SOMETHING.  
As I said, when he wrote "dynamic" I was sure he didn't mean just "lively" or 
"ever-changing".

Heck, I'm satisfied if "object-oriented" means merely that I can define objects 
and create instances of them.  All the other stuff about inheritance and other 
even more arcane features, they're great, but I wouldn't say a language cannot 
be object-oriented without them.

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Actually, there's been a decades long language war over what object-oriented 
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Re: 35th International Rexx Symposium in Birsbane (Australia) about to start

[Seymour J Metz]

Isn't I Don't Want To Talk Smalltalk" a song about OO languages?

I'ld say that to be  OO it must at least have inheritance.

Other issues:

Is everything an object?

Is it message oriented?

Is multiple inheritance allowed?

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Well, yeah.  But a) I'm not far enough into that debate to understand all the 
issues and distinctions, and b) at any rate "object-oriented" means SOMETHING.  
As I said, when he wrote "dynamic" I was sure he didn't mean just "lively" or 
"ever-changing".

Heck, I'm satisfied if "object-oriented" means merely that I can define objects 
and create instances of them.  All the other stuff about inheritance and other 
even more arcane features, they're great, but I wouldn't say a language cannot 
be object-oriented without them.

(Let the flames begin.)

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Seymour J Metz
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2024 00:33

Actually, there's been a decades long language war over what object-oriented 
means.


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Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 8:43 AM

I'm curious what "dynamic" means in this context.  All I can think of so far is 
"frequently changing", but that doesn't seem to fit; it sounds like you mean 
something much more specific, rather as "object-oriented" means a very 
particular thing in coding.

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ronyF
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 17:45

The 35th International Rexx Symposium in Brisbane, Australia, is about to start 
with tutorials this Sunday (tomorrow), March 3rd

Working with the easy to learn, to read, to use and to maintain dynamic 
programming language family of Rexx has always been fun and a real benefit and 
critical success factor.

A professional programmer not having a dynamic language in his workbench 
portfolio can simply not solve certain problems with the ease and speed of a 
dynamic language. So all static programming language fans, this is an 
opportunity to get a glimpse of how easy and how powerful a dynamic language, 
especially from the Rexx family of programming languages, can be!

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Re: 35th International Rexx Symposium in Birsbane (Australia) about to start

[Bob Bridges]

Well, yeah.  But a) I'm not far enough into that debate to understand all the 
issues and distinctions, and b) at any rate "object-oriented" means SOMETHING.  
As I said, when he wrote "dynamic" I was sure he didn't mean just "lively" or 
"ever-changing".

Heck, I'm satisfied if "object-oriented" means merely that I can define objects 
and create instances of them.  All the other stuff about inheritance and other 
even more arcane features, they're great, but I wouldn't say a language cannot 
be object-oriented without them.

(Let the flames begin.)

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federal government to do this?"  -Joseph Sobran, 2001-01-06 */

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Seymour J Metz
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2024 00:33

Actually, there's been a decades long language war over what object-oriented 
means.


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Bob 
Bridges <0587168ababf-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 8:43 AM

I'm curious what "dynamic" means in this context.  All I can think of so far is 
"frequently changing", but that doesn't seem to fit; it sounds like you mean 
something much more specific, rather as "object-oriented" means a very 
particular thing in coding.

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ronyF
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 17:45

The 35th International Rexx Symposium in Brisbane, Australia, is about to start 
with tutorials this Sunday (tomorrow), March 3rd

Working with the easy to learn, to read, to use and to maintain dynamic 
programming language family of Rexx has always been fun and a real benefit and 
critical success factor.

A professional programmer not having a dynamic language in his workbench 
portfolio can simply not solve certain problems with the ease and speed of a 
dynamic language. So all static programming language fans, this is an 
opportunity to get a glimpse of how easy and how powerful a dynamic language, 
especially from the Rexx family of programming languages, can be!

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Re: 35th International Rexx Symposium in Birsbane (Australia) about to start

[Bob Bridges]

Sounds like more than just an interpreted language, then. But I'm a little
confused why (for instance) they include VBScript in that list.  What
functions does it have that make it dynamic?

Not, since you're busy, that I care VERY much.  Just mildly curious.
Explain if you want, but otherwise, thanks for the information.

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From: ronyF  
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 21:10

being a little bit under time pressure (setting up the tutorials) just a
hint: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_programming_language>. (Note it
is missing Rexx or ooRexx in the list of dynamic languages, probably because
the authors have never heard of it. Also some of the listed languages are
statically typed, Rexx/ooRexx are dynamically typed.)

--- On 2024-03-02 23:43, Bob Bridges wrote:
> I'm curious what "dynamic" means in this context.  All I can think of 
> so far is "frequently changing", but that doesn't seem to fit; it sounds
> like you mean something much more specific, rather as "object-oriented"
> means a very particular thing in coding.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ronyF
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 17:45
> 
> The 35th International Rexx Symposium in Brisbane, Australia, is about 
> to start with tutorials this Sunday (tomorrow), March 3rd
> 
> Working with the easy to learn, to read, to use and to maintain dynamic
> programming language family of Rexx has always been fun and a real 
> benefit and critical success factor.
> 
> A professional programmer not having a dynamic language in his workbench
> portfolio can simply not solve certain problems with the ease and speed 
> of a dynamic language. So all static programming language fans, this is
> an opportunity to get a glimpse of how easy and how powerful a dynamic
> language, especially from the Rexx family of programming languages, can 
> be!

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Re: 35th International Rexx Symposium in Birsbane (Australia) about to start

[Seymour J Metz]

Actually, there's been a decades long language war over what object-oriented 
means.

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I'm curious what "dynamic" means in this context.  All I can think of so far
is "frequently changing", but that doesn't seem to fit; it sounds like you
mean something much more specific, rather as "object-oriented" means a very
particular thing in coding.

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Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 17:45

The 35th International Rexx Symposium in Brisbane, Australia, is about to
start with tutorials this Sunday (tomorrow), March 3rd

Working with the easy to learn, to read, to use and to maintain dynamic
programming language family of Rexx has always been fun and a real benefit
and critical success factor.

A professional programmer not having a dynamic language in his workbench
portfolio can simply not solve certain problems with the ease and speed of a
dynamic language. So all static programming language fans, this is an
opportunity to get a glimpse of how easy and how powerful a dynamic
language, especially from the Rexx family of programming languages, can be!

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Re: 35th International Rexx Symposium in Birsbane (Australia) about to start

[ronyF]

Hi Bob,

being a little bit under time pressure (setting up the tutorials) just a 
hint: . 
(Note it is missing Rexx or ooRexx in the list of dynamic languages, 
probably because the authors have never heard of it. Also some of the 
listed languages are statically typed, Rexx/ooRexx are dynamically 
typed.)


HTH

---rony

On 2024-03-02 23:43, Bob Bridges wrote:
I'm curious what "dynamic" means in this context.  All I can think of 
so far
is "frequently changing", but that doesn't seem to fit; it sounds like 
you
mean something much more specific, rather as "object-oriented" means a 
very

particular thing in coding.

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right; my country has at times been terribly wrong. But I know this 
about
Americans: We don't set out to kill innocent people. We don't cheer 
when

innocent people die.  -Dave Barry, 2001-09-14 */

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
Behalf Of

ronyF
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 17:45

The 35th International Rexx Symposium in Brisbane, Australia, is about 
to

start with tutorials this Sunday (tomorrow), March 3rd

Working with the easy to learn, to read, to use and to maintain dynamic
programming language family of Rexx has always been fun and a real 
benefit

and critical success factor.

A professional programmer not having a dynamic language in his 
workbench
portfolio can simply not solve certain problems with the ease and speed 
of a

dynamic language. So all static programming language fans, this is an
opportunity to get a glimpse of how easy and how powerful a dynamic
language, especially from the Rexx family of programming languages, can 
be!


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Re: 35th International Rexx Symposium in Birsbane (Australia) about to start

[Bob Bridges]

I'm curious what "dynamic" means in this context.  All I can think of so far
is "frequently changing", but that doesn't seem to fit; it sounds like you
mean something much more specific, rather as "object-oriented" means a very
particular thing in coding.

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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
ronyF
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 17:45

The 35th International Rexx Symposium in Brisbane, Australia, is about to
start with tutorials this Sunday (tomorrow), March 3rd

Working with the easy to learn, to read, to use and to maintain dynamic
programming language family of Rexx has always been fun and a real benefit
and critical success factor.

A professional programmer not having a dynamic language in his workbench
portfolio can simply not solve certain problems with the ease and speed of a
dynamic language. So all static programming language fans, this is an
opportunity to get a glimpse of how easy and how powerful a dynamic
language, especially from the Rexx family of programming languages, can be!

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Re: 35th International Rexx Symposium in Birsbane (Australia) about to start

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 20:41:04 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote:

>https://www.rexx.org/
>Last Release Aug 2022.
> 
Thanks.  But wandering around to the mailing lists at:
,
the last post to "announce" was Feb. 2005, and "users"
has only a couple posts per year.  It's too quiet.

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Re: 35th International Rexx Symposium in Birsbane (Australia) about to start

[Shawn Prenevost]

Thanks for sharing!!!

On Fri, Mar 1, 2024, 8:41 PM Mike Schwab <
05962a42dc49-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> https://www.rexx.org/
> Last Release Aug 2022.
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 8:23 PM Paul Gilmartin
> <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 09:44:54 +1100, ronyF wrote:
> > >
> > >The link to further symposium information including the schedule can be
> > >found at , just click the box on the upper
> > >...
> > (drifting) That page links to the Regina page at:
> >   which invites a subscription at:
> > Support
> > A mailing list exists for the announcement and discussion of Regina
> > related matters.  To subscribe to this mailing list, send an email
> > message to the list server  with
> > the first line of the body of the message containing:
> > subscribe regina-l
> >
> > ... but that fails with:
> > 550: 5.1.1 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable
> >
> > Is the Regina list still active?
> >
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Re: 35th International Rexx Symposium in Birsbane (Australia) about to start

[Mike Schwab]

https://www.rexx.org/
Last Release Aug 2022.

On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 8:23 PM Paul Gilmartin
<042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 09:44:54 +1100, ronyF wrote:
> >
> >The link to further symposium information including the schedule can be
> >found at , just click the box on the upper
> >...
> (drifting) That page links to the Regina page at:
>   which invites a subscription at:
> Support
> A mailing list exists for the announcement and discussion of Regina
> related matters.  To subscribe to this mailing list, send an email
> message to the list server  with
> the first line of the body of the message containing:
> subscribe regina-l
>
> ... but that fails with:
> 550: 5.1.1 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable
>
> Is the Regina list still active?
>
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Re: 35th International Rexx Symposium in Birsbane (Australia) about to start

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 09:44:54 +1100, ronyF wrote:
>
>The link to further symposium information including the schedule can be
>found at , just click the box on the upper
>...
(drifting) That page links to the Regina page at:
  which invites a subscription at:
Support
A mailing list exists for the announcement and discussion of Regina
related matters.  To subscribe to this mailing list, send an email
message to the list server  with
the first line of the body of the message containing:
subscribe regina-l 

... but that fails with:
550: 5.1.1 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable

Is the Regina list still active?

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Fwd: 35th International Rexx Symposium in Birsbane (Australia) about to start

[ronyF]

The 35th International Rexx Symposium in Brisbane, Australia, is about 
to start with tutorials this Sunday (tomorrow), March 3rd.


There are tutorials on ooRexx and the ooRexx-Java bridge (no need to 
learn the Java syntax, BTW!) on Sunday. One can use these 
infrastructures in Linux installments on the mainframe and exactly the 
same software on your personal PCs or workstations running Windows, 
macOS or any number of Unixes.


So if you have knowledge of REXX and kept your curiosity for new 
developments and want to increase you problem solution capabilities, the 
symposium is a chance to quickly and cheaply realize/assess what is and 
can become possible for you.


The link to further symposium information including the schedule can be 
found at , just click the box on the upper 
right hand corner labeled "Symposium Details". Note: it is the first 
time that the International Rexx symposium takes place in the 
Australian/Asian timezone, so check out your local times of the 
presentations.


Working with the easy to learn, to read, to use and to maintain dynamic 
programming language family of Rexx has always been fun and a real 
benefit and critical success factor.


A professional programmer not having a dynamic language in his workbench 
portfolio can simply not solve certain problems with the ease and speed 
of a dynamic language. So all static programming language fans, this is 
an opportunity to get a glimpse of how easy and how powerful a dynamic 
language, especially from the Rexx family of programming languages, can 
be!


So if you have a little bit of time and curiosity to learn about new 
technologies and developments that may help you personally and 
immediately, then chime in ... :)


Your professional career may benefit from the acquired knowledge.

---rony

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