Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-09 Thread Mitch
Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 5:30 am Subject: Re: Ancient IEFUSI Mitch wrote: This is all fine a good, but why check when a job is submitted? Why not check efore and eliminate the problem (and potential delay in batch)? Simply

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-09 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
On Tue, 9 Dec 2014 03:47:49 -0500, Mitch mitc...@aol.com wrote: The initial question was about the TIME= Parameter on the JOB card. I am trying to understand why you mentioned the REGION= parameter? Original post in this thread by Andrew Metcalfe contains this I am finally getting around to

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-09 Thread Martin Packer
11:15 Subject:Re: Ancient IEFUSI Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Tue, 9 Dec 2014 03:47:49 -0500, Mitch mitc...@aol.com wrote: The initial question was about the TIME= Parameter on the JOB card. I am trying to understand why you mentioned

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-09 Thread Andrew Metcalfe
Folks Just to clarify what my requirement is to save any off-track debate The ancient IEFUSI exit in addition to policing region size, (rightly or wrongly) uses the undocumented R10 LCT pointer to thread through to the SCTX which identifies whether there is a TIME=parameter on the EXEC

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-09 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
] On Behalf Of Mitch Sent: 09 December, 2014 9:48 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ancient IEFUSI snip And, if a site has a standard that TIME is not allowed on a JOB card, then the solution is to remove it and/or flag it and then remove it with a JCL management tool such as J-Man. This can

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-09 Thread Rob Scott
Metcalfe Sent: 09 December 2014 11:24 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ancient IEFUSI Folks Just to clarify what my requirement is to save any off-track debate The ancient IEFUSI exit in addition to policing region size, (rightly or wrongly) uses the undocumented R10 LCT pointer

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-09 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shane Ginnane Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 6:54 PM On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 06:03:50 -0500, Mitch wrote: ... but why check when a job is submitted? Why not check before ... Wheww - tuff requirements. I've done

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-09 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Rob Scott wrote: ... and set your bit the user comm area for IEFUTL. CEPAUCOM in CEPA ('common exit parameter area')? Another alternative is to use IEFUJV to scan the JCL card images in the clear. Good idea, and this is what I see in SYS1.SAMPLIB(SMFEXITS): User communication field.

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-09 Thread Norman.Hollander
, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 3:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ancient IEFUSI If a site wants to enforce a rule for TIME= or REGION= for all jobs, the only way is an exit. Production JCL usually is well controlled, individual users' JCL is not (at least not here

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-09 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
Because tools cost money? Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Norman.Hollander Sent: 10 December, 2014 2:20 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ancient IEFUSI Why not get rid of most exits, and use a tool

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-08 Thread Rob Scott
List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Metcalfe Sent: 07 December 2014 15:07 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ancient IEFUSI One of the reasons our IEFUSI examines the SCTX is to determine whether the step time (SCTXSTL) differs from the JES2 JOBCLASS setting. If so

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-08 Thread Mitch
Message- From: Rob Scott rsc...@rocketsoftware.com To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 8:33 pm Subject: Re: Ancient IEFUSI In the past I have used JES2 exit 6 to fail jobs that specify the TIME keyword - there is a supplied and supported routine XINTKEY that you can $CALL

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-08 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 09:32 + on 12/08/2014, Rob Scott wrote about Re: Ancient IEFUSI: In the past I have used JES2 exit 6 to fail jobs that specify the TIME keyword - there is a supplied and supported routine XINTKEY that you can $CALL to extract specific JCL parameters. Other methods include using JES2

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-08 Thread Mitch
...@panix.com To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 9:51 pm Subject: Re: Ancient IEFUSI At 09:32 + on 12/08/2014, Rob Scott wrote about Re: Ancient IEFUSI: In the past I have used JES2 exit 6 to fail jobs that specify the TIME keyword - there is a supplied and supported

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-08 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Mitch wrote: This is all fine a good, but why check when a job is submitted? Why not check before and eliminate the problem (and potential delay in batch)? Simply - USI is used to check memory and enforce limits at every job step(s) despite stated REGION=value. IEFUSI exit routines receive

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-08 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 06:03:50 -0500, Mitch wrote: ... but why check when a job is submitted? Why not check before ... Wheww - tuff requirements. I've done some exits in my time, but none that get inside users head(s) - not real sure I want to go there. Shane ...

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-07 Thread Andrew Metcalfe
One of the reasons our IEFUSI examines the SCTX is to determine whether the step time (SCTXSTL) differs from the JES2 JOBCLASS setting. If so the assertion is that the user has coded TIME= on the EXEC card. IEFUSI sets a bit in the CEPUCOM area which is interrogated by IEFUTL when deciding

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-06 Thread Peter Relson
To the best of my knowledge, whether rightly or wrongly, neither the LCT nor the SCTX has ever been considered a programming interface. GUPI and PSPI are no longer differentiated (although they're still valid and you'll see them in many macros); PI is the new term. DMTI has morphed into NOTPI.

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In ofdab2603e.ec1e6e90-on85257da6.0052641c-85257da6.0052c...@us.ibm.com, on 12/06/2014 at 10:03 AM, Peter Relson rel...@us.ibm.com said: To the best of my knowledge, whether rightly or wrongly, neither the LCT nor the SCTX has ever been considered a programming interface. That matches my

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 5763756791911978.wa.andrew.metcalfebarclays@listserv.ua.edu, on 12/05/2014 at 10:35 AM, Andrew Metcalfe andrew.metca...@barclays.com said: The first of these is the alarming comment: * ON ENTRY R10 POINTS TO THE LCT. While that could certainly change without notice, it's been

Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-05 Thread Andrew Metcalfe
Folks I am finally getting around to modifying our IEFUSI exit to do something sensible with MEMLIMIT as more tasks exploit 64-bit storage. This exit has lain untouched for many many years, although it still functions correctly for the things it is supposed to do with region size. However,

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-05 Thread Lizette Koehler
Just a thought. Is there a sample of this exit in your sys1.sample dataset? It might have more current info. Lizette -Original Message- From: Andrew Metcalfe andrew.metca...@barclays.com Sent: Dec 5, 2014 9:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Ancient IEFUSI Folks I am

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-05 Thread Rob Scott
Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Metcalfe Sent: 05 December 2014 16:36 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Ancient IEFUSI Folks I am finally getting around to modifying our IEFUSI exit to do something sensible with MEMLIMIT

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-05 Thread Andrew Metcalfe
Rob Setting the SCTX step time in IEFUSI has been used here historically to *prevent* IEFUTL being taken for certain categories of job/stc. I am trying to avoid my MEMLIMIT changes driving changes to the other SMF exits!! Thanks Andrew This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-05 Thread J O Skip Robinson
...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Metcalfe Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 8:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Ancient IEFUSI Folks I am finally getting around to modifying our IEFUSI exit to do

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-05 Thread Jim Mulder
I am finally getting around to modifying our IEFUSI exit to do something sensible with MEMLIMIT as more tasks exploit 64-bit storage. This exit has lain untouched for many many years, although it still functions correctly for the things it is supposed to do with region size. However,

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-05 Thread Tony Harminc
On 5 December 2014 at 16:34, Jim Mulder d10j...@us.ibm.com wrote: I remember what happened in 1991 in SP4.2.0 when a code change and recompile of IEFSMFIE resulted in R10 no longer containing the address of the LCT when IEFUSE was invoked. [...] SO, the module was changed to set Reg 10 to the