Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 13:35:02 -0800, Charles Mills  wrote:

>It is whatever your installation called it!
>
>Which COBOL?
>
>Many installations use something like IGY or IGY630 or IGY.V630 or IGY.V6R3M0 
>as an HLQ. You could look for those in ISPF 3.4.
> 
That depends on the administrators' having configured the panel correctly.

Submit an ISPF background compile and browse the submitted JCL with SDSF SJ?

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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-18 Thread Tony Thigpen
No, he does not keep talking about VSE. He keeps saying that his 
experience is with VSE and he it trying to understand z/OS because of a 
job change. He is admitting that while he is a very knowledgeable person 
with operating systems, he is on a new platform and needs guidance or 
simply a "point me in the right direction' reply.


Tony Thigpen

Joe Monk wrote on 12/18/20 10:43 AM:

Well he keeps talking about VSE.

Joe

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 9:16 AM Seymour J Metz  wrote:


He's asking about a z/OS environment, so there is no CIL or MSHP, just as
there is no DCSS or VMSES/E (VMsespool?). He didn't give a context for his
RC 20 in ISPF, but I suspect that he's trying to use a panel for a product
that is not installed. We never did hear whether they are licensed for a
COBOL compiler.


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Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

VSE - MSHP = MISHAP :)

The cobol compiler should be in the core image library. If you're on z/vse
it will be part of LE (language environment)

See page 195 ... https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247436.pdf

Joe

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 7:39 PM CarlosM Martinez 
wrote:


I did use the ISPF panels in TSO it keeps terminating with rc code 20.
PS I knew someone was going to come up with the "SLEZTRIVE thing"
Anyway in VSE we have MSHP I guess I will do a SMP/E listing and see if
and where it lives.

Thank you all,

Carlos
SUNY DOWNSTATE MED CENTER

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Behalf Of Seymour J Metz
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 8:14 PM
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Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

Assuming that you are licensed for the relevant COBOL compiler, it's not
difficult to do the compiles with ISPF panels, either in foreground or by
submitting batch jobs.


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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 7:55 PM
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Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

YES,
  we are a CICS shop and I have been here for 2 yrs. And have never seen a
cobol compile. Just EASYTRIEV.
We have a new vendor that wants to compile Cobol . I have set up REXX

full

screen mods to do this in VSE via CMS. But here all is in TSO.

Thank you,
Carlos Martinez
SUNY Downstate Med. Center

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Behalf Of Steve Beaver
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:16 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

Carlos

Are you a CICS shop?

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:40, Farley, Peter x23353 <

031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:


Carlos,

AFAIK, Easytrieve scripts generate actual object code, not COBOL code,

for at least the versions of which I am aware (versions 4.x, 5.x and 6.x

in

my experience all generate object code).


HTH

Peter

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Behalf Of CarlosM Martinez

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:27 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

EXTERNAL EMAIL

Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything

here is hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete
Easytrieve compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?

We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and

just load it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE.


Thank you all.

Carlos Martinez
SUNY Downstate.

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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:07 PM
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Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

Do you even have any compiler procs?

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:02, Jousma, David <

01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:


COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased

and

licensed,  so since you are asking, you may not have it.


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Hello all,
Does anyone know what library the COBOL compiler is in Z/OS 1.0 ?
SYS1.???

Thank you
Carlos Martinez
SUNY Downstate Med. Center

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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-18 Thread CarlosM Martinez
Well. 
Since we receive object mods for our CICS online system. I do not think we are 
licensed for Cobol. Which explains the RC=20 from the TSO option 4, Z/OS COBOL 
panels. 
Our programmers use EASYTRIEVE for report writing and receive object code for 
our CICS COBOL Command level online applications. 
Thank you all for your response. 

Carlos Martinez 
SUNY Downstate Med. Center 

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Of Seymour J Metz
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 10:13 AM
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Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

He's asking about a z/OS environment, so there is no CIL or MSHP, just as there 
is no DCSS or VMSES/E (VMsespool?). He didn't give a context for his RC 20 in 
ISPF, but I suspect that he's trying to use a panel for a product that is not 
installed. We never did hear whether they are licensed for a COBOL compiler.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Joe 
Monk [joemon...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 5:38 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

VSE - MSHP = MISHAP :)

The cobol compiler should be in the core image library. If you're on z/vse
it will be part of LE (language environment)

See page 195 ... https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247436.pdf

Joe

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 7:39 PM CarlosM Martinez 
wrote:

> I did use the ISPF panels in TSO it keeps terminating with rc code 20.
> PS I knew someone was going to come up with the "SLEZTRIVE thing"
> Anyway in VSE we have MSHP I guess I will do a SMP/E listing and see if
> and where it lives.
>
> Thank you all,
>
> Carlos
> SUNY DOWNSTATE MED CENTER
>
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Seymour J Metz
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 8:14 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> Assuming that you are licensed for the relevant COBOL compiler, it's not
> difficult to do the compiles with ISPF panels, either in foreground or by
> submitting batch jobs.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
> of CarlosM Martinez [carl...@solracz.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 7:55 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> YES,
>  we are a CICS shop and I have been here for 2 yrs. And have never seen a
> cobol compile. Just EASYTRIEV.
> We have a new vendor that wants to compile Cobol . I have set up REXX full
> screen mods to do this in VSE via CMS. But here all is in TSO.
>
> Thank you,
> Carlos Martinez
> SUNY Downstate Med. Center
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:16 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> Carlos
>
> Are you a CICS shop?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:40, Farley, Peter x23353 <
> 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Carlos,
> >
> > AFAIK, Easytrieve scripts generate actual object code, not COBOL code,
> for at least the versions of which I am aware (versions 4.x, 5.x and 6.x in
> my experience all generate object code).
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of CarlosM Martinez
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:27 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
> >
> > EXTERNAL EMAIL
> >
> > Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything
> here is hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete
> Easytrieve compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?
> > We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and
> just load it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE.
> >
> > Thank you all.
> >
> > Carlos Martinez
> > SUNY Downstate.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> On Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:07 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
> >
> > Do you even have any compiler procs?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:02, Jousma, David <
> 01a040

Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-18 Thread Joe Monk
Well he keeps talking about VSE.

Joe

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 9:16 AM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> He's asking about a z/OS environment, so there is no CIL or MSHP, just as
> there is no DCSS or VMSES/E (VMsespool?). He didn't give a context for his
> RC 20 in ISPF, but I suspect that he's trying to use a panel for a product
> that is not installed. We never did hear whether they are licensed for a
> COBOL compiler.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
> of Joe Monk [joemon...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 5:38 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> VSE - MSHP = MISHAP :)
>
> The cobol compiler should be in the core image library. If you're on z/vse
> it will be part of LE (language environment)
>
> See page 195 ... https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247436.pdf
>
> Joe
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 7:39 PM CarlosM Martinez 
> wrote:
>
> > I did use the ISPF panels in TSO it keeps terminating with rc code 20.
> > PS I knew someone was going to come up with the "SLEZTRIVE thing"
> > Anyway in VSE we have MSHP I guess I will do a SMP/E listing and see if
> > and where it lives.
> >
> > Thank you all,
> >
> > Carlos
> > SUNY DOWNSTATE MED CENTER
> >
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 8:14 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
> >
> > Assuming that you are licensed for the relevant COBOL compiler, it's not
> > difficult to do the compiles with ISPF panels, either in foreground or by
> > submitting batch jobs.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
> >
> > 
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
> > of CarlosM Martinez [carl...@solracz.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 7:55 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
> >
> > YES,
> >  we are a CICS shop and I have been here for 2 yrs. And have never seen a
> > cobol compile. Just EASYTRIEV.
> > We have a new vendor that wants to compile Cobol . I have set up REXX
> full
> > screen mods to do this in VSE via CMS. But here all is in TSO.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Carlos Martinez
> > SUNY Downstate Med. Center
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> > Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:16 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > Are you a CICS shop?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:40, Farley, Peter x23353 <
> > 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > Carlos,
> > >
> > > AFAIK, Easytrieve scripts generate actual object code, not COBOL code,
> > for at least the versions of which I am aware (versions 4.x, 5.x and 6.x
> in
> > my experience all generate object code).
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> > Behalf Of CarlosM Martinez
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:27 PM
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
> > >
> > > EXTERNAL EMAIL
> > >
> > > Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything
> > here is hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete
> > Easytrieve compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?
> > > We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and
> > just load it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE.
> > >
> > > Thank you all.
> > >
> > > Carlos Martinez
> > > SUNY Downstate.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> > On Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:07 PM
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
> > >
> > > Do you even have any compiler procs?
>

Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
He's asking about a z/OS environment, so there is no CIL or MSHP, just as there 
is no DCSS or VMSES/E (VMsespool?). He didn't give a context for his RC 20 in 
ISPF, but I suspect that he's trying to use a panel for a product that is not 
installed. We never did hear whether they are licensed for a COBOL compiler.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Joe 
Monk [joemon...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 5:38 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

VSE - MSHP = MISHAP :)

The cobol compiler should be in the core image library. If you're on z/vse
it will be part of LE (language environment)

See page 195 ... https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247436.pdf

Joe

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 7:39 PM CarlosM Martinez 
wrote:

> I did use the ISPF panels in TSO it keeps terminating with rc code 20.
> PS I knew someone was going to come up with the "SLEZTRIVE thing"
> Anyway in VSE we have MSHP I guess I will do a SMP/E listing and see if
> and where it lives.
>
> Thank you all,
>
> Carlos
> SUNY DOWNSTATE MED CENTER
>
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Seymour J Metz
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 8:14 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> Assuming that you are licensed for the relevant COBOL compiler, it's not
> difficult to do the compiles with ISPF panels, either in foreground or by
> submitting batch jobs.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
> of CarlosM Martinez [carl...@solracz.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 7:55 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> YES,
>  we are a CICS shop and I have been here for 2 yrs. And have never seen a
> cobol compile. Just EASYTRIEV.
> We have a new vendor that wants to compile Cobol . I have set up REXX full
> screen mods to do this in VSE via CMS. But here all is in TSO.
>
> Thank you,
> Carlos Martinez
> SUNY Downstate Med. Center
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:16 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> Carlos
>
> Are you a CICS shop?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:40, Farley, Peter x23353 <
> 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Carlos,
> >
> > AFAIK, Easytrieve scripts generate actual object code, not COBOL code,
> for at least the versions of which I am aware (versions 4.x, 5.x and 6.x in
> my experience all generate object code).
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of CarlosM Martinez
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:27 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
> >
> > EXTERNAL EMAIL
> >
> > Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything
> here is hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete
> Easytrieve compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?
> > We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and
> just load it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE.
> >
> > Thank you all.
> >
> > Carlos Martinez
> > SUNY Downstate.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> On Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:07 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
> >
> > Do you even have any compiler procs?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:02, Jousma, David <
> 01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased and
> licensed,  so since you are asking, you may not have it.
> >> 
> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
> >> behalf of CarlosM Martinez 
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:12:28 PM
> >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> >> Subject: COBOL LIB
> >>
> >> **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL**
> >>
> >> **DO NOT open attachme

Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-18 Thread Joel C. Ewing
And unless things have changed drastically, the COBOL compiler license
for z/OS involves a significant charge.  Whoever in the company handles
software invoices from IBM should be well aware whether or not you have
a license (and of course IBM knows and can tell your company what
licenses they currently have).

The COBOL runtime environment is handled by LE (Language Environment),
which supports execution of compiled programs from multiple languages
and is included in the z/OS base.  The actual language Compilers for
z/OS (COBOL, PL/I, C, FORTRAN) are not a part of the z/OS base -- each
has a separate license and added cost, and the charges tend to be high
enough that you wouldn't have them around for casual use or to play
with, but only if they were actively required to support the business.
    Joel C Ewing

On 12/17/20 7:00 PM, Frank Swarbrick wrote:
> If you don't have COBOL developers in house it seems unlikely you would have 
> purchased the COBOL compiler.
> Can't the vendor supply you with binary executables that they have compiled?
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> CarlosM Martinez 
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:57 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> Just looking for the BATCH compiler for the VENDOR... If we have it.
> ...


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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-18 Thread Joe Monk
VSE - MSHP = MISHAP :)

The cobol compiler should be in the core image library. If you're on z/vse
it will be part of LE (language environment)

See page 195 ... https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247436.pdf

Joe

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 7:39 PM CarlosM Martinez 
wrote:

> I did use the ISPF panels in TSO it keeps terminating with rc code 20.
> PS I knew someone was going to come up with the "SLEZTRIVE thing"
> Anyway in VSE we have MSHP I guess I will do a SMP/E listing and see if
> and where it lives.
>
> Thank you all,
>
> Carlos
> SUNY DOWNSTATE MED CENTER
>
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Seymour J Metz
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 8:14 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> Assuming that you are licensed for the relevant COBOL compiler, it's not
> difficult to do the compiles with ISPF panels, either in foreground or by
> submitting batch jobs.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
> of CarlosM Martinez [carl...@solracz.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 7:55 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> YES,
>  we are a CICS shop and I have been here for 2 yrs. And have never seen a
> cobol compile. Just EASYTRIEV.
> We have a new vendor that wants to compile Cobol . I have set up REXX full
> screen mods to do this in VSE via CMS. But here all is in TSO.
>
> Thank you,
> Carlos Martinez
> SUNY Downstate Med. Center
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:16 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> Carlos
>
> Are you a CICS shop?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:40, Farley, Peter x23353 <
> 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Carlos,
> >
> > AFAIK, Easytrieve scripts generate actual object code, not COBOL code,
> for at least the versions of which I am aware (versions 4.x, 5.x and 6.x in
> my experience all generate object code).
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of CarlosM Martinez
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:27 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
> >
> > EXTERNAL EMAIL
> >
> > Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything
> here is hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete
> Easytrieve compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?
> > We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and
> just load it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE.
> >
> > Thank you all.
> >
> > Carlos Martinez
> > SUNY Downstate.
> >
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> On Behalf Of Steve Beaver
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> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
> >
> > Do you even have any compiler procs?
> >
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> >> On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:02, Jousma, David <
> 01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased and
> licensed,  so since you are asking, you may not have it.
> >> 
> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
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> >> Thank you
> >> Carlos Martinez
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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread Peter Vels
Perhaps you're thinking of TELON, from the Easytrieve company Pansophic
(bought by CA in 1991), which does produce COBOL.

On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 16:43, Lars Höglund  wrote:

> Isn't EASY it's own language? It definitely doesn't produce Cobol code.
>
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> Till: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Ämne: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything here
> is hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete
> Easytrieve compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?
> We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and just
> load it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE.
>
> Thank you all.
>
> Carlos Martinez
> SUNY Downstate.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:07 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> Do you even have any compiler procs?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:02, Jousma, David <
> 01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased and
> licensed,  so since you are asking, you may not have it.
> > 
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
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> > SYS1.???
> >
> > Thank you
> > Carlos Martinez
> > SUNY Downstate Med. Center
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SV: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread Lars Höglund
Isn't EASY it's own language? It definitely doesn't produce Cobol code.

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Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  För CarlosM 
Martinez
Skickat: den 17 december 2020 23:27
Till: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Ämne: Re: COBOL LIB

Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything here is 
hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete Easytrieve 
compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?
We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and just load 
it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE. 

Thank you all. 

Carlos Martinez
SUNY Downstate.

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Of Steve Beaver
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:07 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

Do you even have any compiler procs?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:02, Jousma, David 
> <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased and 
> licensed,  so since you are asking, you may not have it.
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on 
> behalf of CarlosM Martinez 
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:12:28 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> Subject: COBOL LIB
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> Hello all,
> Does anyone know what library the COBOL compiler is in Z/OS 1.0 ?
> SYS1.???
> 
> Thank you
> Carlos Martinez
> SUNY Downstate Med. Center
> 
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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread CarlosM Martinez
I did use the ISPF panels in TSO it keeps terminating with rc code 20.
PS I knew someone was going to come up with the "SLEZTRIVE thing"
Anyway in VSE we have MSHP I guess I will do a SMP/E listing and see if and 
where it lives. 

Thank you all,

Carlos 
SUNY DOWNSTATE MED CENTER

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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 8:14 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

Assuming that you are licensed for the relevant COBOL compiler, it's not 
difficult to do the compiles with ISPF panels, either in foreground or by 
submitting batch jobs.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
CarlosM Martinez [carl...@solracz.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 7:55 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

YES,
 we are a CICS shop and I have been here for 2 yrs. And have never seen a cobol 
compile. Just EASYTRIEV.
We have a new vendor that wants to compile Cobol . I have set up REXX full 
screen mods to do this in VSE via CMS. But here all is in TSO.

Thank you,
Carlos Martinez
SUNY Downstate Med. Center

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Steve Beaver
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:16 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

Carlos

Are you a CICS shop?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:40, Farley, Peter x23353 
> <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> Carlos,
>
> AFAIK, Easytrieve scripts generate actual object code, not COBOL code, for at 
> least the versions of which I am aware (versions 4.x, 5.x and 6.x in my 
> experience all generate object code).
>
> HTH
>
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
> CarlosM Martinez
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:27 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> EXTERNAL EMAIL
>
> Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything here is 
> hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete Easytrieve 
> compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?
> We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and just 
> load it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE.
>
> Thank you all.
>
> Carlos Martinez
> SUNY Downstate.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:07 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> Do you even have any compiler procs?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:02, Jousma, David 
>> <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>>
>> COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased and 
>> licensed,  so since you are asking, you may not have it.
>> ____
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
>> behalf of CarlosM Martinez 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:12:28 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
>> Subject: COBOL LIB
>>
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>> Hello all,
>> Does anyone know what library the COBOL compiler is in Z/OS 1.0 ?
>> SYS1.???
>>
>> Thank you
>> Carlos Martinez
>> SUNY Downstate Med. Center
>>
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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread Lizette Koehler
So this will depend on what products your shop has licensed.

A Cobol Complier is a licensed product

Talk to you management team I the shop see if you are licensed.  If not, then 
your vendor will need to find other options.

Lizette


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
CarlosM Martinez
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:56 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

YES,
 we are a CICS shop and I have been here for 2 yrs. And have never seen a cobol 
compile. Just EASYTRIEV.
We have a new vendor that wants to compile Cobol . I have set up REXX full 
screen mods to do this in VSE via CMS. But here all is in TSO.

Thank you,
Carlos Martinez
SUNY Downstate Med. Center 

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Steve Beaver
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:16 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

Carlos

Are you a CICS shop?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:40, Farley, Peter x23353 
> <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> Carlos,
> 
> AFAIK, Easytrieve scripts generate actual object code, not COBOL code, for at 
> least the versions of which I am aware (versions 4.x, 5.x and 6.x in my 
> experience all generate object code).
> 
> HTH
> 
> Peter
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
> Behalf Of CarlosM Martinez
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:27 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
> 
> EXTERNAL EMAIL
> 
> Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything here is 
> hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete Easytrieve 
> compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?
> We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and just 
> load it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE. 
> 
> Thank you all. 
> 
> Carlos Martinez
> SUNY Downstate.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
> On Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:07 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
> 
> Do you even have any compiler procs?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:02, Jousma, David 
>> <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased and 
>> licensed,  so since you are asking, you may not have it.
>> ________
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on 
>> behalf of CarlosM Martinez 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:12:28 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
>> Subject: COBOL LIB
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>> Does anyone know what library the COBOL compiler is in Z/OS 1.0 ?
>> SYS1.???
>> 
>> Thank you
>> Carlos Martinez
>> SUNY Downstate Med. Center
>> 
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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
Assuming that you are licensed for the relevant COBOL compiler, it's not 
difficult to do the compiles with ISPF panels, either in foreground or by 
submitting batch jobs.


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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
CarlosM Martinez [carl...@solracz.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 7:55 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

YES,
 we are a CICS shop and I have been here for 2 yrs. And have never seen a cobol 
compile. Just EASYTRIEV.
We have a new vendor that wants to compile Cobol . I have set up REXX full 
screen mods to do this in VSE via CMS. But here all is in TSO.

Thank you,
Carlos Martinez
SUNY Downstate Med. Center

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Steve Beaver
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:16 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

Carlos

Are you a CICS shop?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:40, Farley, Peter x23353 
> <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> Carlos,
>
> AFAIK, Easytrieve scripts generate actual object code, not COBOL code, for at 
> least the versions of which I am aware (versions 4.x, 5.x and 6.x in my 
> experience all generate object code).
>
> HTH
>
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
> CarlosM Martinez
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:27 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> EXTERNAL EMAIL
>
> Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything here is 
> hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete Easytrieve 
> compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?
> We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and just 
> load it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE.
>
> Thank you all.
>
> Carlos Martinez
> SUNY Downstate.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:07 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> Do you even have any compiler procs?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:02, Jousma, David 
>> <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>>
>> COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased and 
>> licensed,  so since you are asking, you may not have it.
>> ________
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
>> behalf of CarlosM Martinez 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:12:28 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
>> Subject: COBOL LIB
>>
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>> Hello all,
>> Does anyone know what library the COBOL compiler is in Z/OS 1.0 ?
>> SYS1.???
>>
>> Thank you
>> Carlos Martinez
>> SUNY Downstate Med. Center
>>
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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread Frank Swarbrick
If you don't have COBOL developers in house it seems unlikely you would have 
purchased the COBOL compiler.
Can't the vendor supply you with binary executables that they have compiled?


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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:57 PM
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Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

Just looking for the BATCH compiler for the VENDOR... If we have it.

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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:35 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

What you could do is use

ISRDDN
Once you get the new panel, enter LINKLIST
Then on the command line enter IGY*

If you have authority to the Linklist datasets, you should see where those 
modules exist

If you have a vendor providing you with the modules for your CICS system.  What 
issue are you trying to solve?


Lizette


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Mike Schwab
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:24 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

IBM has an easytrieve replacement that does that.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 4:27 PM CarlosM Martinez  wrote:
>
> Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything here is 
> hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete Easytrieve 
> compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?
> We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and just 
> load it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE.
>
> Thank you all.
>
> Carlos Martinez
> SUNY Downstate.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> On Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:07 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> Do you even have any compiler procs?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:02, Jousma, David 
> > <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased and 
> > licensed,  so since you are asking, you may not have it.
> > 
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
> > behalf of CarlosM Martinez 
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:12:28 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> > Subject: COBOL LIB
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> > SYS1.???
> >
> > Thank you
> > Carlos Martinez
> > SUNY Downstate Med. Center
> >
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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread Joe Monk
"Just EASYTRIEV."

You mean SLEAZY-TRIEVE! :)

Joe

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 6:56 PM CarlosM Martinez 
wrote:

> YES,
>  we are a CICS shop and I have been here for 2 yrs. And have never seen a
> cobol compile. Just EASYTRIEV.
> We have a new vendor that wants to compile Cobol . I have set up REXX full
> screen mods to do this in VSE via CMS. But here all is in TSO.
>
> Thank you,
> Carlos Martinez
> SUNY Downstate Med. Center
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:16 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> Carlos
>
> Are you a CICS shop?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:40, Farley, Peter x23353 <
> 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Carlos,
> >
> > AFAIK, Easytrieve scripts generate actual object code, not COBOL code,
> for at least the versions of which I am aware (versions 4.x, 5.x and 6.x in
> my experience all generate object code).
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of CarlosM Martinez
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:27 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
> >
> > EXTERNAL EMAIL
> >
> > Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything
> here is hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete
> Easytrieve compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?
> > We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and
> just load it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE.
> >
> > Thank you all.
> >
> > Carlos Martinez
> > SUNY Downstate.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> On Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:07 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
> >
> > Do you even have any compiler procs?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:02, Jousma, David <
> 01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased and
> licensed,  so since you are asking, you may not have it.
> >> 
> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
> >> behalf of CarlosM Martinez 
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:12:28 PM
> >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> >> Subject: COBOL LIB
> >>
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> >> SYS1.???
> >>
> >> Thank you
> >> Carlos Martinez
> >> SUNY Downstate Med. Center
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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread CarlosM Martinez
Just looking for the BATCH compiler for the VENDOR... If we have it. 

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Lizette Koehler
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:35 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

What you could do is use

ISRDDN 
Once you get the new panel, enter LINKLIST
Then on the command line enter IGY*  

If you have authority to the Linklist datasets, you should see where those 
modules exist

If you have a vendor providing you with the modules for your CICS system.  What 
issue are you trying to solve?


Lizette


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Mike Schwab
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:24 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

IBM has an easytrieve replacement that does that.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 4:27 PM CarlosM Martinez  wrote:
>
> Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything here is 
> hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete Easytrieve 
> compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?
> We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and just 
> load it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE.
>
> Thank you all.
>
> Carlos Martinez
> SUNY Downstate.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
> On Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:07 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> Do you even have any compiler procs?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:02, Jousma, David 
> > <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased and 
> > licensed,  so since you are asking, you may not have it.
> > 
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on 
> > behalf of CarlosM Martinez 
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:12:28 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> > Subject: COBOL LIB
> >
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> > Hello all,
> > Does anyone know what library the COBOL compiler is in Z/OS 1.0 ?
> > SYS1.???
> >
> > Thank you
> > Carlos Martinez
> > SUNY Downstate Med. Center
> >
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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread CarlosM Martinez
YES,
 we are a CICS shop and I have been here for 2 yrs. And have never seen a cobol 
compile. Just EASYTRIEV.
We have a new vendor that wants to compile Cobol . I have set up REXX full 
screen mods to do this in VSE via CMS. But here all is in TSO.

Thank you,
Carlos Martinez 
SUNY Downstate Med. Center 

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Steve Beaver
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:16 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

Carlos

Are you a CICS shop?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:40, Farley, Peter x23353 
> <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> Carlos,
> 
> AFAIK, Easytrieve scripts generate actual object code, not COBOL code, for at 
> least the versions of which I am aware (versions 4.x, 5.x and 6.x in my 
> experience all generate object code).
> 
> HTH
> 
> Peter
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
> CarlosM Martinez
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:27 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
> 
> EXTERNAL EMAIL
> 
> Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything here is 
> hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete Easytrieve 
> compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?
> We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and just 
> load it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE. 
> 
> Thank you all. 
> 
> Carlos Martinez
> SUNY Downstate.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:07 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
> 
> Do you even have any compiler procs?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:02, Jousma, David 
>> <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased and 
>> licensed,  so since you are asking, you may not have it.
>> ________
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on 
>> behalf of CarlosM Martinez 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:12:28 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
>> Subject: COBOL LIB
>> 
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>> Hello all,
>> Does anyone know what library the COBOL compiler is in Z/OS 1.0 ?
>> SYS1.???
>> 
>> Thank you
>> Carlos Martinez
>> SUNY Downstate Med. Center
>> 
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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread Lizette Koehler
Sorry - some details got dropped

Once the ISRDDN panel is up on the command line enter

M IGY*

See what libraries show up with those modules.

If you do find IGY in the linklst - then you should not need to do anything.  
An Object lib should have everything

What issues are you seeing?

Lizette



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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Lizette Koehler
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:35 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

What you could do is use

ISRDDN
Once you get the new panel, enter LINKLIST Then on the command line enter IGY*  

If you have authority to the Linklist datasets, you should see where those 
modules exist

If you have a vendor providing you with the modules for your CICS system.  What 
issue are you trying to solve?


Lizette


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Mike Schwab
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:24 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

IBM has an easytrieve replacement that does that.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 4:27 PM CarlosM Martinez  wrote:
>
> Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything here is 
> hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete Easytrieve 
> compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?
> We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and just 
> load it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE.
>
> Thank you all.
>
> Carlos Martinez
> SUNY Downstate.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
> On Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:07 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> Do you even have any compiler procs?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:02, Jousma, David 
> > <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased and 
> > licensed,  so since you are asking, you may not have it.
> > 
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on 
> > behalf of CarlosM Martinez 
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:12:28 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> > Subject: COBOL LIB
> >
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> > Hello all,
> > Does anyone know what library the COBOL compiler is in Z/OS 1.0 ?
> > SYS1.???
> >
> > Thank you
> > Carlos Martinez
> > SUNY Downstate Med. Center
> >
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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread Lizette Koehler
What you could do is use

ISRDDN 
Once you get the new panel, enter LINKLIST
Then on the command line enter IGY*  

If you have authority to the Linklist datasets, you should see where those 
modules exist

If you have a vendor providing you with the modules for your CICS system.  What 
issue are you trying to solve?


Lizette


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Mike Schwab
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:24 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: COBOL LIB

IBM has an easytrieve replacement that does that.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 4:27 PM CarlosM Martinez  wrote:
>
> Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything here is 
> hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete Easytrieve 
> compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?
> We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and just 
> load it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE.
>
> Thank you all.
>
> Carlos Martinez
> SUNY Downstate.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
> On Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:07 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> Do you even have any compiler procs?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:02, Jousma, David 
> > <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased and 
> > licensed,  so since you are asking, you may not have it.
> > 
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on 
> > behalf of CarlosM Martinez 
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:12:28 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> > Subject: COBOL LIB
> >
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> > Hello all,
> > Does anyone know what library the COBOL compiler is in Z/OS 1.0 ?
> > SYS1.???
> >
> > Thank you
> > Carlos Martinez
> > SUNY Downstate Med. Center
> >
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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread Mike Schwab
IBM has an easytrieve replacement that does that.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 4:27 PM CarlosM Martinez  wrote:
>
> Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything here is 
> hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete Easytrieve 
> compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?
> We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and just 
> load it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE.
>
> Thank you all.
>
> Carlos Martinez
> SUNY Downstate.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:07 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: COBOL LIB
>
> Do you even have any compiler procs?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 16:02, Jousma, David 
> > <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased and 
> > licensed,  so since you are asking, you may not have it.
> > 
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> > CarlosM Martinez 
> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:12:28 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> > Subject: COBOL LIB
> >
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> > Hello all,
> > Does anyone know what library the COBOL compiler is in Z/OS 1.0 ?
> > SYS1.???
> >
> > Thank you
> > Carlos Martinez
> > SUNY Downstate Med. Center
> >
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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread Steve Beaver
Carlos

Are you a CICS shop?

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> Carlos,
> 
> AFAIK, Easytrieve scripts generate actual object code, not COBOL code, for at 
> least the versions of which I am aware (versions 4.x, 5.x and 6.x in my 
> experience all generate object code).
> 
> HTH
> 
> Peter
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> Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything here is 
> hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete Easytrieve 
> compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?
> We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and just 
> load it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE. 
> 
> Thank you all. 
> 
> Carlos Martinez
> SUNY Downstate.
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> Do you even have any compiler procs?
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>> COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased and 
>> licensed,  so since you are asking, you may not have it.
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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Carlos,

AFAIK, Easytrieve scripts generate actual object code, not COBOL code, for at 
least the versions of which I am aware (versions 4.x, 5.x and 6.x in my 
experience all generate object code).

HTH

Peter

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Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything here is 
hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete Easytrieve 
compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?
We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and just load 
it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE. 

Thank you all. 

Carlos Martinez
SUNY Downstate.

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Do you even have any compiler procs?

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> COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased and 
> licensed,  so since you are asking, you may not have it.
> 
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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread CarlosM Martinez
Well I am a newbie in Z/OS my expertise is in VSE. But... everything here is 
hold on to your hat... EASYTRIEVE. I have not look at a complete Easytrieve 
compile but doesn't it produce cobol code?
We get our CICS online System compiled and shipped from a vendor and just load 
it to a loadlib. I looked on 3.4 of TSO for IGY and found NONE. 

Thank you all. 

Carlos Martinez 
SUNY Downstate.

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Do you even have any compiler procs?

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> COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased and 
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> 
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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread Steve Beaver
Do you even have any compiler procs?

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> COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased and 
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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread Jousma, David
COBOL compiler doesn't come with z/os.  It is separately purchased and 
licensed,  so since you are asking, you may not have it.

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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
To the OP:  If your COBOL PROC's do not have a STEPLIB pointing to where the 
compiler lives, you may be able to find out where it is by using DDLIST (or TSO 
ISRDDN if that doesn't work) and then the "LINK" and "M IGYCRCTL" subcommands 
to see where in the LINKLIST the main compiler module lives.

If any libraries in the LINKLIST are read-protected you will get some 913 
security abends, so if you aren't authorized be wary.  Your security team may 
come after you!

HTH

Pater

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And some long-time installations chose decades ago to consolidate program 
products into a common product library (to keep SYS1.LINKLIB smaller and allow 
products to live together but somewhere off the SYSRES pack(s)) and didn't 
migrate away from that "standard" when upgrading over the years.  Inertia is a 
powerful force.

So it's really whatever history your installation has and the whims of former 
sysprogs and their managers.

Peter

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It is whatever your installation called it!

Which COBOL?

Many installations use something like IGY or IGY630 or IGY.V630 or IGY.V6R3M0 
as an HLQ. You could look for those in ISPF 3.4.

Charles


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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
And some long-time installations chose decades ago to consolidate program 
products into a common product library (to keep SYS1.LINKLIB smaller and allow 
products to live together but somewhere off the SYSRES pack(s)) and didn't 
migrate away from that "standard" when upgrading over the years.  Inertia is a 
powerful force.

So it's really whatever history your installation has and the whims of former 
sysprogs and their managers.

Peter

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It is whatever your installation called it!

Which COBOL?

Many installations use something like IGY or IGY630 or IGY.V630 or IGY.V6R3M0 
as an HLQ. You could look for those in ISPF 3.4.

Charles


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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread Charles Mills
It is whatever your installation called it!

Which COBOL?

Many installations use something like IGY or IGY630 or IGY.V630 or IGY.V6R3M0 
as an HLQ. You could look for those in ISPF 3.4.

Charles


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Re: COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
I would say either SYS1.SIGYCOMP, or IGY.SIGYCOMP.

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COBOL LIB

2020-12-17 Thread CarlosM Martinez
Hello all, 
Does anyone know what library the COBOL compiler is in Z/OS 1.0 ?
SYS1.???

Thank you 
Carlos Martinez 
SUNY Downstate Med. Center 

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Re: Z/OS COBOL LIB.

2020-11-30 Thread Charles Mills
We most commonly see names like

IGY.V630.SIGYCOMP
IGY.V6R3M0.SIGYCOMP
IGY630.SIGYCOMP

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The runtime library is most likely CEE.SCEERUM, CEE.SCEERUN2. The compiler 
datasets are usually prefixed by IGY.

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Re: Z/OS COBOL LIB.

2020-11-30 Thread Mark Jacobs
The runtime library is most likely CEE.SCEERUM, CEE.SCEERUN2. The compiler 
datasets are usually prefixed by IGY.

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> Hello all,
>
> Does anyone know the default library for IBM COBOL in Z/OS?
>
> SYS1.
>
> Thanks Carlos Martinez
>
> SUNY Down State
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> Behalf Of Don Poitras
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> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 7:55 AM
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> Subject: Re: Preparing for a short z/OS contract
>
> In article
>
> 
> rv.com> you wrote:
>
> > Rupert Reynolds wrote:
> >
> > > Thinking further, I now remember that their only debugger was TSO TEST! I
> > >
> > > wrote a mixture of Rexx and CLIST commands to extend it a bit (show regs
> > >
> > > and disassemble the next instruction, every breakpoint).
> > >
> > > Is there anything more /modern/ that's given away with z/OS?
>
> > Steve Thompson wrote:
> >
> > > TSO TEST is all that comes free with the system.
>
> > z/OS also includes dbx, described here (z/OS 2.4 link, subject to change,
> >
> > watch the wrap):
>
> https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.bp
>
> xa500/bpxa50021.htm
>
> > The very first release of OS/390 (generally available on March 29, 1996,
> >
> > per IBM Announcement Letter 296-018) included an earlier version of dbx,
> >
> > so dbx will very soon reach a full quarter century of history in the base
> >
> > operating system. dbx also had a short, earlier history as a separately
> >
> > chargeable OpenEdition MVS option ("OpenEdition Debugger feature"). Do try
>
> > to keep up, please. :-)
>
> > According to Wikipedia, dbx's original developer was Mark Linton at the
> >
> > University of California, Berkeley. He wrote dbx in the period 1981 to
> >
> > 1984, and then it percolated through the BSD ecosystem. TSO TEST first
> >
> > appeared no later than 1972, so dbx is about a decade younger. Whether dbx
>
> > is more "modern" is a separate question. :-)
>
> > Another debugger, IBM z/OS Debugger, is the successor to the IBM
> >
> > Integrated Debugger and IBM Debug Tool. There are lots of IBM software
> >
> > products that include IBM z/OS Debugger -- 6 if I'm counting correctly --
> >
> > so it's possible or even likely you already have a license. Of course if
> >
> > you don't have a license it's possible to acquire one.
>
> > Timothy Sipples
> >
> > I.T. Architect Executive
> >
> > Digital Asset & Other Industry Solutions
> >
> > IBM Z & LinuxONE
> >
> > E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com
>
> The successor to TSO TEST is ASMIDF. It's still being updated, so can be
>
> considered "modern". While the HLASM Toolkit isn't free, it's so cheap, it
>
> might as well be considered so.
>
> HLASM Toolkit Feature Interactive Debug Facility User's Guide
>
> https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSENW6_1.6.0/kc_gen/com.ibm.hlas
>
> m.v1r6.asm_asm-gen7.html
>
>
> 
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Z/OS COBOL LIB.

2020-11-30 Thread CarlosM Martinez
Hello all,
Does anyone know the default library for IBM COBOL in Z/OS?
SYS1.

Thanks Carlos Martinez
SUNY Down State

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In article
 you wrote:
> Rupert Reynolds wrote:
> >Thinking further, I now remember that their only debugger was TSO TEST! I
> >wrote a mixture of Rexx and CLIST commands to extend it a bit (show regs
> >and disassemble the next instruction, every breakpoint).
> >
> >Is there anything more /modern/ that's given away with z/OS?

> Steve Thompson wrote:
> >TSO TEST is all that comes free with the system.

> z/OS also includes dbx, described here (z/OS 2.4 link, subject to change, 
> watch the wrap):

>
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.bp
xa500/bpxa50021.htm


> The very first release of OS/390 (generally available on March 29, 1996, 
> per IBM Announcement Letter 296-018) included an earlier version of dbx, 
> so dbx will very soon reach a full quarter century of history in the base 
> operating system. dbx also had a short, earlier history as a separately 
> chargeable OpenEdition MVS option ("OpenEdition Debugger feature"). Do try


> to keep up, please. :-)

> According to Wikipedia, dbx's original developer was Mark Linton at the 
> University of California, Berkeley. He wrote dbx in the period 1981 to 
> 1984, and then it percolated through the BSD ecosystem. TSO TEST first 
> appeared no later than 1972, so dbx is about a decade younger. Whether dbx


> is more "modern" is a separate question. :-)

> Another debugger, IBM z/OS Debugger, is the successor to the IBM 
> Integrated Debugger and IBM Debug Tool. There are lots of IBM software 
> products that include IBM z/OS Debugger -- 6 if I'm counting correctly -- 
> so it's possible or even likely you already have a license. Of course if 
> you don't have a license it's possible to acquire one.

> - - - - - - - - - -
> Timothy Sipples
> I.T. Architect Executive
> Digital Asset & Other Industry Solutions
> IBM Z & LinuxONE
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> E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com

The successor to TSO TEST is ASMIDF. It's still being updated, so can be
considered "modern". While the HLASM Toolkit isn't free, it's so cheap, it
might as well be considered so. 

HLASM Toolkit Feature Interactive Debug Facility User's Guide
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSENW6_1.6.0/kc_gen/com.ibm.hlas
m.v1r6.asm_asm-gen7.html


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Don Poitras

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