Re: Email Providers
The PLESK web site doesn't seem to say whether the filtering is done in the SMTP session or after the fact. What I'm looking for is a 5xx response for anything flagged as spam, so that legitimate senders know that there is an issue and can contact me via alternate channels. From my perspective, quarantining spam negates the benefits of filtering. Also, I couldn't find anything on the web site about whether the end user can configure in-session filtering for his mailbox, much less whether I can tailor 5xx responses for specific CIDR blocks and spcific domains. Do I use a promo code for registering metsch.family? Thanks. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of turgut kalfaoğlu [tur...@kalfaoglu.com] Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 1:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Email Providers On 1/28/21 7:03 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > Thanks. I have a few questions: > > 1 Do you supported tagged addresses, e.g., foo+*@domain > all going to foo's inbox. > Can you reject anything to foo@domain, i.e., without a plus tag? YES, VERP addresses are supported. > 2. Do you have aggressive spam filtering in the SMTP session? Of course -- over 90% of the mail we get is spam.. We have to filter it. It is done on many layers and very few spam sneaks by. > 3. What user options do you offer for controlling filtering? Are you aware of PLESK's configuration options? They are the same. We use Obsidian for Linux --- which is the latest version. > > 4. Do you support MX from a private domain? Sure.. > > 5. Do you also offer web hosting? Yes, of course. all our hosting packages provide web hosting. See here: https://secure-web.cisco.com/17PWL1g-8dK3AYziu2bEJDwOXiopK6sgYf1yGKYDMlKciiWDF1iWYZqlAmbUB87IIrWHTbcKpuMJihQ5Tm33wc37hXGtOWYEFY87rwcu4Lk98JrfYzr_Z-5IxvvW3l1RRRshkhwXOla__FX22grSQgA2ghoHLtioPXtVt_WG0M8zgsUARJfXWAh2lJdkb6HJreDSZEUUw_gQPO8Jo_Nkn7DHJo6awfrqMD9ZIYZzgRGleZjYzeAgxwiVuhvujTLKFwnjqGMe2JLcQ9TLHACma1dT2dCEZ_3lcBO8Y1hisqMj71LLloQhPOkXJq6zjCDNE0efez3fMjSwjD5rGN5y9CrJSxxRZeIKmQDIFqFKGL4RIGCw_41XQRRy6CBrekorlrUQ8-4mDF2JjcybT4e6_KUbOuEwMGEnXjzqSN5TC94PURyQDOvZijq6blqb97SBh/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kalfaoglu.net%2Findex.php%3Frp%3D%2Fstore%2Flinux-hosting > > 6. Do you have and enforce strong anti-spam policies in you TOS? > Are you in a DNSBL? Yes and yes.. > > 7. What are your rates? > > Ideally I'd like to be able to host web and mail at the same provider and > update my web site with an SFTP client like Filezilla. Sure, we use PLESK Obsidian so it supports all that and much more.. Regards, -turgut -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Email Providers
On 1/28/21 7:03 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: Thanks. I have a few questions: 1 Do you supported tagged addresses, e.g., foo+*@domain all going to foo's inbox. Can you reject anything to foo@domain, i.e., without a plus tag? YES, VERP addresses are supported. 2. Do you have aggressive spam filtering in the SMTP session? Of course -- over 90% of the mail we get is spam.. We have to filter it. It is done on many layers and very few spam sneaks by. 3. What user options do you offer for controlling filtering? Are you aware of PLESK's configuration options? They are the same. We use Obsidian for Linux --- which is the latest version. 4. Do you support MX from a private domain? Sure.. 5. Do you also offer web hosting? Yes, of course. all our hosting packages provide web hosting. See here: https://www.kalfaoglu.net/index.php?rp=/store/linux-hosting 6. Do you have and enforce strong anti-spam policies in you TOS? Are you in a DNSBL? Yes and yes.. 7. What are your rates? Ideally I'd like to be able to host web and mail at the same provider and update my web site with an SFTP client like Filezilla. Sure, we use PLESK Obsidian so it supports all that and much more.. Regards, -turgut -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Email Providers
Yes, tagged addresses can be very useful, both for filtering into task-specific
inboxes and for detecting when a vendor is selling your addresses to spammers.
While the use of "+" for this purpose is most common, some providers use "-"
and less common characters, e.g., "{". Be aware that there are some brain-dead
web sites that "validate" e-mail addresses, ivariably written by people who
have never read RFC 5321 or 5322 and reject valid addresses.
Even if your provider doesn't support tagged addresses, some e-mail clients let
you filter on arbitrary header fields,
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of
Timothy Sipples [sipp...@sg.ibm.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 1:56 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Email Providers
With Gmail you can use task-specific e-mail addresses that route to your
common inbox. Let's suppose for example your Gmail address is
ban...@gmail.com. You could subscribe to IBM-MAIN using this e-mail
address:
banana+ibmm...@gmail.com
and that'll route to the same inbox, but you can generally use your e-mail
client to sort based on the incoming e-mail address. Just add a plus sign
(+) plus any tag you want.
Here are some lesser known but possibly interesting free e-mail providers
in no particular order:
1. Vivaldi.net
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1qpylb5TgBkKqIKt_5ZJTmz3OKBG7yZYZBzKocDWZNWjHBe2VTgkFii2wp-O-UiOLlOI_W7p9tF7wXqMVs4AEKIJmyz2rwVsYqpLnLD5ylymKaaK9HWKVfQirkLb6eRy-deJMuzbGQVe0mShGGY026KKhnQ7sJs5b1tCKwNJCBHLCp6WYRJsEbXuS7UI6O_2UhhzsN5Re5gd710KtSdckNcs6dZ--gR1FAks7G-HMg51zCZNPf--ZKItiTJsDOzknY3L612uZk4jXyt1PHOye1S6XtqiR1baWh3sj2iS0WoHkJru9u5_3c6sTsij0xmMR0P-GJClKwVWQo8NUyeujTvxm_aQQ3SS-OqTPerc6rFtdAthSJtGbRzholRb_4zn8h-Ncz65A0O9YyByOxDzZuSvGWSIihYMYp8lJTPxFJCIMfxaA_AACJFQHc3EkSkN9/https%3A%2F%2Fwebmail.vivaldi.net
Mail client setup details:
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1bpkwO4-mCLJUuJQ6vvjDJazGLN2hnGwZSFpo8OlFBYxgkXEWQpyKBtojsdiUDb8ppiKzVoWFaCI0V2qZiaBj0lJHe_p8sfAhx7k4NohO7ZrVC-_P0BS9qkmf38OiNo2z8MLZV75UOSe7rTuhFifiOf8dzzccOAfn70Hg5iWJJWcQ0558pPiVn44rgIOjMxuOq90IDkjVPUIbn5sgiEllf4j5xig5k1JCE2Idsu1IwHcwHuFQedvb8WN5HtnsHqiVlg1AW7Rm0JAnGpSszUVrJ48mNH_0kJg9vp8808IrOBbjg-OiEz1g8rpPt66Jx6N9JkPpSY2i5WrzqjIYajppQDwtA_IoPZROwnILKZ1O03TJyVI4irQI2sRqOCe6jrLAjFJTaj68-pZOCM2JnLATt5izxA_NRT6kdxn4-HmYE2Yn5rMqTiTNnBJTVH6GM9N_z4-eoYqY9FjcPQvrNpq59g/https%3A%2F%2Fhelp.vivaldi.com%2Fservices%2Fwebmail%2Fsetting-up-vivaldi-mail-in-a-mail-client%2F
5 GB mailbox limit, supports TLS-encrypted IMAP, POP3, and SMTP
2. Apple iCloud Mail
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1JVRj0jBeVhIEx8T9uRSAUohyq6ohHDylEUJXvMs2KKasg6F7Xv7bW9qp45VM4P_6LlEY33AHQh5UhmJv55XwDa4XgYwlX42il0nD-kfQJoKCiy-MX_TYNl5a4u85udZPg1akPSVwea9qT1-Q553PSUH5ijM2lktvgnecojZhX7JHN3CHB3XQeRknKHNa0X5tf5HwkShc1OFbhX1UXqAUZ0DZBmXEu-Oho1qgREsMhtfDYGh2AdcwWX0OFyqn8bRWO9TqiZh0eo469lfuawLStME462ARuzhXaIOqpGgLQ2FO_GBco6NeOgYDgPa8CCWiqy1qldzngol8hjx_Oq4BStckeOyAd_WZYzjsIdZr8Hvpb_E2XutgdwDcc4OQkQVkf64SALGZ83WCTZHeRHcvMvz3QAnLUc41T6s3jYmBRq1eJFUFkNrpn-GZJZMU_KNF/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icloud.com
Mail client setup details: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202304
5 GB limit, supports TLS-encrypted IMAP and SMTP
You might need an Apple device on hand at some point, but for day to day
use you don't.
3. Yahoo Japan Mail
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1yuWci-Olija6FM1XK8MEW0OreMX_NAQc391X8vpdd6Ydi4I3dd4xM9TCllAoSgN_TUhycsGKM0SfmEYeo9sfSWcztAIXziRqAnFmh8vXJRJKNdcPm_e9GLP2t-jSu_TQmln1QVJKxnWdCKgTNNaiSYwLMlnJ6PED_n-FxlM_iRgH_vgw_S-ACA4uwYb1r0ANg7QoH_-hW1xjgUsiqyAGzyN5ko7hWG6Qxydz4bgrIWKTmH8Ll3ww0ARd-BLHcYzuU92ERbhNirTcyVyM80rraEs8GQeGe5UqranW_DTKAire32ouIpMF42-mfdYBuvqS5Hlvzun1uOXmZP5_2AYRKMXbFKpMgSKSI2R0s9X0uEY7YbG4ZVf9IlKnGr98ibiRGG_FM5xJXwJ1j4GaDG6B3eC6sSSPU5V-bjPkyzhjwucoaAVbdyrj_hQECZc0Z7pKGN6KSENoIaNXrp5kSU9SDg/https%3A%2F%2Fmail.yahoo.co.jp
Mail client setup details:
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1PdSYnhFBL070hVsaIR8VCqC3gZtz1TvXmSF0QeG3btb_hARZCl9SKdNZczR_MgeiLNEzQyIHblRXv3IYxmghSeQ2etjuKXvk080k_dzyEaZAt8a4GPVqqJWzTKfxP4UhDq9le4iu2B1wcEomjcr263AVLtxjPvP6LQkO5aG-lPh-tes67YCKJKkZKKXOXT5beLbD6rZpbO26el_J1S-UW6wG9fbypanQoBA5EaqP8-WFY0ZMHoCwgqyAtXQUAAPMnoG-zseP8BJnXz55jeTc9DWOGdQjkIeafO8rj2Ap3Gx5FQL02xUVxAFzORMUbGyiOfPJc-VNDpMPy4J0dRTpWlsz9UYcTM05GqPXmdBelw8uY19IBwLmW3ZsoVAMXgQ-t0IiWF5ONWvLw9fhvOa9L7zKxkfHIb304FpgSWsgxLD3pPq_npY1ZrJbztXJVT6RbfLsscZCFpCk75BhuH9fmA/https%3A%2F%2Fgetmailspring.com%2Fsetup%2Faccess-yahoo-co-jp-via-imap-smtp
10 GB limit, supports TLS-encrypted IMAP and SMTP
Yahoo Japan is a separate company that's not Verizon owned and operated.
User interfaces are exclusively in Japanese as far as I know, but that
doesn't matter much if you're using your own e-mail client and assuming
you get past registration.
4. Mail.ee
https://secure-web.cisco.c
Re: Email Providers
Thanks. I have a few questions: 1 Do you supported tagged addresses, e.g., foo+*@domain all going to foo's inbox. Can you reject anything to foo@domain, i.e., without a plus tag? 2. Do you have aggressive spam filtering in the SMTP session? 3. What user options do you offer for controlling filtering? 4. Do you support MX from a private domain? 5. Do you also offer web hosting? 6. Do you have and enforce strong anti-spam policies in you TOS? Are you in a DNSBL? 7. What are your rates? Ideally I'd like to be able to host web and mail at the same provider and update my web site with an SFTP client like Filezilla. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of turgut kalfaoğlu Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 2:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Email Providers Well, I would be happy to provide you with email accounts and domains on my server, just pick a hosting package from kalfaoglu.net. Being a fellow mainframe lover, (my HNET address is TURGUT AT TRVM1) I would love to assist. Email me (or TELL me) for more assistance. Regards, Turgut Kalfaoglu CEO of Kalfaoglu Internet Services Ltd. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Email Providers
Well, I would be happy to provide you with email accounts and domains on my server, just pick a hosting package from kalfaoglu.net. Being a fellow mainframe lover, (my HNET address is TURGUT AT TRVM1) I would love to assist. Email me (or TELL me) for more assistance. Regards, Turgut Kalfaoglu CEO of Kalfaoglu Internet Services Ltd. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Email Providers
Do any of these meet your needs? Fastmail Protonmail runbox.com Tuffmail.com -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Steve Smith [sasd...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 7:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Email Providers I looked for such a list on WP, but didn't find one, and I'm not up for creating one. Regardless, almost all email services provide both. sas On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 3:19 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > Why webmail? Wouldn't you be better of with an e-mail provider with POP3 > or IMAP4? > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Email Providers
I looked for such a list on WP, but didn't find one, and I'm not up for creating one. Regardless, almost all email services provide both. sas On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 3:19 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > Why webmail? Wouldn't you be better of with an e-mail provider with POP3 > or IMAP4? > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Email Providers
Why webmail? Wouldn't you be better of with an e-mail provider with POP3 or IMAP4? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Steve Smith [sasd...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 2:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Email Providers Thanks for some great tips, esp. for Gmail, Vivaldi, and mail.ee. Those last two look interesting. Wikipedia ( https://secure-web.cisco.com/1FwIEOAvrVAOcmDxxpL8yQ3kaSCGwptlNnKpvwVde_1svvJ1NAjTeAH7yNJqcdHIhnZfE12GgBlYaKFoBhtvKXweYIodQUTQlwWtGv4f7Bbhsx9ETfiq92PnzLQPvz8vKqddg3VBwqX2rDz6V7dOL5ybYCmAmwq4BINJvEu2syIQL8Q9Ad4t6vnS2AFn0qOl2ilEjexatGKzmCD5t5CYqLMWPgwSzqs-iQxs__i30Uf0vzhMoMSHQTXql20lpvX5CvaANUN7vTZQQ3DYgnb-hSYObxTZF5EPN86E06N4kBP9vfhWxH6Afk9BhA7Uhgs6-Ig6eKz5fCxMqGJnOFP-3plYYtOX1YaccVI8Nq1yLp-HC3Z7-FCpo_i-DHlXbQA40-DaZYsqy57dTHbIuZrSACcrxjrGW7Kwq22VGbfdu7DdSSWSICbplw-1epmgneGBb/https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FComparison_of_webmail_providers%29 has a selection, although it appears its list is only a sampling of what's available. I guess the ultimate in control and customization would be to buy a domain, and build your email empire at a website provider, or your own server if you're up for that. I've done this on my home Linux server, but I don't use it for anything serious, as neither the hardware nor the admin (c'est moi) do I consider reliable enough. sas On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 1:56 AM Timothy Sipples wrote: > With Gmail you can use task-specific e-mail addresses that route to your > common inbox. Let's suppose for example your Gmail address is > ban...@gmail.com. You could subscribe to IBM-MAIN using this e-mail > address: > > banana+ibmm...@gmail.com > > and that'll route to the same inbox, but you can generally use your e-mail > client to sort based on the incoming e-mail address. Just add a plus sign > (+) plus any tag you want. > > Here are some lesser known but possibly interesting free e-mail providers > in no particular order: > > 1. Vivaldi.net > https://secure-web.cisco.com/19OKclQ4_LjWBMs4pwQco3PpokFiTEKFAuSslXeOjfcyeBKbL1ztAe-yf3tX8tEG-DGiRGs7jZV8J27a-yzsYTXNxu066fzIewV46idP_idSqXINe7Ot4ABWl8aLNQliYiRXEU9qRWEQxsS9mD5DrhRH0KpvV9rrqm8A1TgVQse9qk7cl59T2MaIVlWqNMJCEkPv8U9Q9hK-et_4Tzp69FAmW3cYscDFI3uiFT9dSpTxq6ol5lmQYV-PuiazcBIvnF5kNQK7KQfs7nKq8xVIEVRKY72LWK8gk4erfM8Ncv7UPeqjGyJgR84AFOHQwn6QKDR_RR7RmywVGrLXUtKcv-uT3SiZYLytyInCGQ8JUmYktDRZ7p1CIhTK4ULJyo9hRuYKd7jVBd-7iUjfDsjoMpkimfIhZmVvWkHo4kdlDjDqDnO-Pm2Pa5XjWC-NoiDvu/https%3A%2F%2Fwebmail.vivaldi.net > Mail client setup details: > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1b5mXlQhPjqKTl90ojCNrQvdSiDWWBJD_Hj9_86Sq5EDLqTc8R7HQIMPCodZkO4FzlffiJ6BgLk06MthD02hHrld8FdHTk_HoKKVD_frAQX9BpSZ3AIsW_pQbktzDdlWBBEuMoT4HkYR5sqkDJylySEdLZoHQqk2gAHij-8sLNKqpJqqH2qhXm4M_TflNEGI8WTLEGyEFkAmlESb4MM2CmULyKhnhhlBJoTqGdSu0yadA2Ix34SNA2oTwuN9jckndyFkQdoBDsDl2ZoIrRBxtXN592YO7yy6ehUT9UgW0vAJLUn2w_k3bXyT3emdVBEtYU0IE7PjFpQn9XxXba1NfLMPJr_vDaxyj-gEhAxkk0xebHxcVkyTrElsYH5yMsyj-jN9jIJ6HsQEzdnVjW_ZHelhT7cevOyDW6MTG9L1GRl6MDslvPGSmkiUiDO7EwM1qry9doXwz-IrOlnwfx0VItg/https%3A%2F%2Fhelp.vivaldi.com%2Fservices%2Fwebmail%2Fsetting-up-vivaldi-mail-in-a-mail-client%2F > 5 GB mailbox limit, supports TLS-encrypted IMAP, POP3, and SMTP > > 2. Apple iCloud Mail > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1Zga0taucJNesUhPEd51_VTh8wclcCD145LtW93eMx8S3qLjVOhKnr32lYG5ydOnz-1bNqOOo9R85Ke2bU7KVHUiceK1d1eVth3yaR8pwZeN5iZESsJsphRfT75e-7Eyfc6utXXVZibiySzIZN_HvHAKNIxrRK349jfES3ajl9jYInTPnda3N22asq5Br32g6s0x8iijXie59anTM0uDFMh2zY3UNkeErpX7i-ni8FNQu5YHFNOarHu1wDtayd1SHze05I7y0LKnSpN39_uDsW8LP5BQE5zJxvhGwrIHKXgo11w67odufUlKuhrTfkbmnYcmBMPLJwAlFV73KtkfOM0VZSnwmmst89t7I_cGfmqazLHEWAoG5_e1MhXvhwuSfKGwdVhnNvGIvjj11M2kHk0OUaEmNDB6dYTj7gRZ8pcF8AK2AA6unUYAgqjY71e1vJbzdn8fkuhYjL_cEdxK5Qg/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icloud.com > Mail client setup details: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202304 > 5 GB limit, supports TLS-encrypted IMAP and SMTP > You might need an Apple device on hand at some point, but for day to day > use you don't. > > 3. Yahoo Japan Mail > https://secure-web.cisco.com/14eZgwp1txq3W7r2EMvNZUhA8TdKGQ0-awczIb7AlYxtNWjeN-IcKnuRxTcfshE98WApfu_9BGO1wk4gxBTiKXoybCm_aBujd2MXBkT6EhMGyWTs1opJ8aLEBtShjkJEcBGuOxCDh_85zzhKieOCskHlYi4MMwnkpyO_pJ3EhFsp7O3a6HpNW2ALAHnYQrhp8XXXIz8oTmjFsGLYXTELiOS4a_scCBQ9vFKKvhooqd-ZZH9vU3epv0ZkO6nl99VM9iZLcGBW2psHrEcV5TxRbLkFhkZ-fQm33DH9EZMCnruIyvenb0CPBoEMbrEHI0mhmYCA0bJUkmMhWQgs3n7lqUDcA0bRXiVQCQRoNf-bukdD8l1WPUwa8rY-Mld93KhNYFdQPLb6KmPYuI8F4z__LHDJMm2M0XsQ5p5XlWfScblIzjggb7mhS1oeDYkzPSb-OvqXnWyOCg8xqtQtpGTNN0Q/https%3A%2F%2Fmail.yahoo.co.jp > Mail client setup details: > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1TW3yeufo6Na_cQhm8XUNOnCWvdWN7v8GXO3CJoSUBMvqMzL69mhRhP8U28iz8uD9ByMGvJx1zWohZExPVR0wwfQSbooEO3E_KAR00GkUZcoFjxcPP-M__0RmdqBOFcdJvKLUZx8fJte0Zn
Re: Email Providers
Thanks for some great tips, esp. for Gmail, Vivaldi, and mail.ee. Those last two look interesting. Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_webmail_providers) has a selection, although it appears its list is only a sampling of what's available. I guess the ultimate in control and customization would be to buy a domain, and build your email empire at a website provider, or your own server if you're up for that. I've done this on my home Linux server, but I don't use it for anything serious, as neither the hardware nor the admin (c'est moi) do I consider reliable enough. sas On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 1:56 AM Timothy Sipples wrote: > With Gmail you can use task-specific e-mail addresses that route to your > common inbox. Let's suppose for example your Gmail address is > ban...@gmail.com. You could subscribe to IBM-MAIN using this e-mail > address: > > banana+ibmm...@gmail.com > > and that'll route to the same inbox, but you can generally use your e-mail > client to sort based on the incoming e-mail address. Just add a plus sign > (+) plus any tag you want. > > Here are some lesser known but possibly interesting free e-mail providers > in no particular order: > > 1. Vivaldi.net > https://webmail.vivaldi.net > Mail client setup details: > > https://help.vivaldi.com/services/webmail/setting-up-vivaldi-mail-in-a-mail-client/ > 5 GB mailbox limit, supports TLS-encrypted IMAP, POP3, and SMTP > > 2. Apple iCloud Mail > https://www.icloud.com > Mail client setup details: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202304 > 5 GB limit, supports TLS-encrypted IMAP and SMTP > You might need an Apple device on hand at some point, but for day to day > use you don't. > > 3. Yahoo Japan Mail > https://mail.yahoo.co.jp > Mail client setup details: > https://getmailspring.com/setup/access-yahoo-co-jp-via-imap-smtp > 10 GB limit, supports TLS-encrypted IMAP and SMTP > Yahoo Japan is a separate company that's not Verizon owned and operated. > User interfaces are exclusively in Japanese as far as I know, but that > doesn't matter much if you're using your own e-mail client and assuming > you get past registration. > > 4. Mail.ee > https://www.mail.ee > Mail client setup details: https://help.mail.ee/category/37/question/521 > 20 GB limit, supports TLS-encrypted IMAP, POP3, and SMTP > > - - - - - - - - - - > Timothy Sipples > I.T. Architect Executive > Digital Asset & Other Industry Solutions > IBM Z & LinuxONE > - - - - - - - - - - > E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Email Providers
The IBM-MAIN -> Usenet gating is one way; if you want replies to be visible on the list, you must post to the list, not to the news group. Does panix reject suspected spam, drop it silently or route it to a spam folder? Does panix use procmail during the SMTP session, or only after it's already accepted the e-mail? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Randy Hudson [i...@panix.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 3:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Email Providers In article , Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: > Unfortunately my ISP have no such service and I don't know any > reasonable paid service which provide me features I want. I am happy with panix.com, but it costs $100/year. Mail can be accessed via shell account, IMAP, and POP3. There's also a fairly complete set of USENET groups, including the USENET copies of IBM-MAIN and other longstanding mailing lists. You can opt for spam filtering of varying aggressiveness, or none, and use procmail to do your own filtering. Lots more, if you need it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Email Providers
I just use filters to assign one of several labels. Used to do that with yahoo folders, but that was greatly reduced about 15 years ago so I switched. On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:56 AM Timothy Sipples wrote: > > With Gmail you can use task-specific e-mail addresses that route to your > common inbox. Let's suppose for example your Gmail address is > ban...@gmail.com. You could subscribe to IBM-MAIN using this e-mail > address: > > banana+ibmm...@gmail.com > > and that'll route to the same inbox, but you can generally use your e-mail > client to sort based on the incoming e-mail address. Just add a plus sign > (+) plus any tag you want. > > Here are some lesser known but possibly interesting free e-mail providers > in no particular order: > > 1. Vivaldi.net > https://webmail.vivaldi.net > Mail client setup details: > https://help.vivaldi.com/services/webmail/setting-up-vivaldi-mail-in-a-mail-client/ > 5 GB mailbox limit, supports TLS-encrypted IMAP, POP3, and SMTP > > 2. Apple iCloud Mail > https://www.icloud.com > Mail client setup details: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202304 > 5 GB limit, supports TLS-encrypted IMAP and SMTP > You might need an Apple device on hand at some point, but for day to day > use you don't. > > 3. Yahoo Japan Mail > https://mail.yahoo.co.jp > Mail client setup details: > https://getmailspring.com/setup/access-yahoo-co-jp-via-imap-smtp > 10 GB limit, supports TLS-encrypted IMAP and SMTP > Yahoo Japan is a separate company that's not Verizon owned and operated. > User interfaces are exclusively in Japanese as far as I know, but that > doesn't matter much if you're using your own e-mail client and assuming > you get past registration. > > 4. Mail.ee > https://www.mail.ee > Mail client setup details: https://help.mail.ee/category/37/question/521 > 20 GB limit, supports TLS-encrypted IMAP, POP3, and SMTP > > - - - - - - - - - - > Timothy Sipples > I.T. Architect Executive > Digital Asset & Other Industry Solutions > IBM Z & LinuxONE > - - - - - - - - - - > E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Email Providers
In article , Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: > Unfortunately my ISP have no such service and I don't know any > reasonable paid service which provide me features I want. I am happy with panix.com, but it costs $100/year. Mail can be accessed via shell account, IMAP, and POP3. There's also a fairly complete set of USENET groups, including the USENET copies of IBM-MAIN and other longstanding mailing lists. You can opt for spam filtering of varying aggressiveness, or none, and use procmail to do your own filtering. Lots more, if you need it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Email Providers
With Gmail you can use task-specific e-mail addresses that route to your common inbox. Let's suppose for example your Gmail address is ban...@gmail.com. You could subscribe to IBM-MAIN using this e-mail address: banana+ibmm...@gmail.com and that'll route to the same inbox, but you can generally use your e-mail client to sort based on the incoming e-mail address. Just add a plus sign (+) plus any tag you want. Here are some lesser known but possibly interesting free e-mail providers in no particular order: 1. Vivaldi.net https://webmail.vivaldi.net Mail client setup details: https://help.vivaldi.com/services/webmail/setting-up-vivaldi-mail-in-a-mail-client/ 5 GB mailbox limit, supports TLS-encrypted IMAP, POP3, and SMTP 2. Apple iCloud Mail https://www.icloud.com Mail client setup details: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202304 5 GB limit, supports TLS-encrypted IMAP and SMTP You might need an Apple device on hand at some point, but for day to day use you don't. 3. Yahoo Japan Mail https://mail.yahoo.co.jp Mail client setup details: https://getmailspring.com/setup/access-yahoo-co-jp-via-imap-smtp 10 GB limit, supports TLS-encrypted IMAP and SMTP Yahoo Japan is a separate company that's not Verizon owned and operated. User interfaces are exclusively in Japanese as far as I know, but that doesn't matter much if you're using your own e-mail client and assuming you get past registration. 4. Mail.ee https://www.mail.ee Mail client setup details: https://help.mail.ee/category/37/question/521 20 GB limit, supports TLS-encrypted IMAP, POP3, and SMTP - - - - - - - - - - Timothy Sipples I.T. Architect Executive Digital Asset & Other Industry Solutions IBM Z & LinuxONE - - - - - - - - - - E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Email Providers
Not very local to you but I have been using these folks for 20 years. http://www.mcn.org/email/email.html $2.50/month Good folks -- they are a unit of the local school district. I can assure you that it works with IBM-MAIN. I use POP3. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Radoslaw Skorupka Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 3:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Email Providers Unfortunately my ISP have no such service and I don't know any reasonable paid service which provide me features I want. Usually fee is -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Email Providers
>From the settings page: "ProtonMail supports IMAP/SMTP via the ProtonMail Bridge application. Thunderbird, Microsoft Outlook, and Apple Mail are officially supported on both Windows and MacOS." I do use Thunderbird, but I haven't tried it with Protonmail. The "bridge" seems to be necessary because of their encryption discipline. sas On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 6:17 PM R.S. < 0368479ca34d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Now I can answer: I hate this disclaimer. I was almost ready to switch to > private email when they started with this cr*p, but 1. I'm lazy, 2. other > people have similar disclaimers, so I felt not so guilty. > > Regarding gmail - I already have gmail account and I don't want to use it > for other activities. I attempted to use second account, but this provide > complexity. > > However I have no luck - yahoo is bad, aol is the same company so I won't > even try. Protonmail claim they don't support POP3/IMAP, and GMX > registration just ended with some error. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Email Providers
Unfortunately my ISP have no such service and I don't know any reasonable paid service which provide me features I want. Usually fee is just to have better limits - more disk space, more emails, etc. In fact I don't need it. I think my requirements are quite basic: just regular email client (means POP3/IMAP) and no madness with spam filtering. Yahoo looked good when I started with RACF-L, but thing changed completely with IBM-MAIN. BTW: I wish listserv would have POP3/IMAP interface. It would simplify many things. -- Radoslaw Skorupka (currently unemployed) Lodz, Poland W dniu 26.01.2021 o 00:31, Gibney, Dave pisze: My private email has been with my former local ISP for a very long time. They are no longer my ISP and I pay $6/month for the email address. I think I could have a few more than the one I use for that price. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 3:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Email Providers Now I can answer: I hate this disclaimer. I was almost ready to switch to private email when they started with this cr*p, but 1. I'm lazy, 2. other people have similar disclaimers, so I felt not so guilty. Regarding gmail - I already have gmail account and I don't want to use it for other activities. I attempted to use second account, but this provide complexity. However I have no luck - yahoo is bad, aol is the same company so I won't even try. Protonmail claim they don't support POP3/IMAP, and GMX registration just ended with some error. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Email Providers
My private email has been with my former local ISP for a very long time. They are no longer my ISP and I pay $6/month for the email address. I think I could have a few more than the one I use for that price. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of R.S. > Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 3:17 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Email Providers > > Now I can answer: I hate this disclaimer. I was almost ready to switch to > private email when they started with this cr*p, but 1. I'm lazy, 2. other > people have similar disclaimers, so I felt not so guilty. > > Regarding gmail - I already have gmail account and I don't want to use it for > other activities. I attempted to use second account, but this provide > complexity. > > However I have no luck - yahoo is bad, aol is the same company so I won't > even try. Protonmail claim they don't support POP3/IMAP, and GMX > registration just ended with some error. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Email Providers
Now I can answer: I hate this disclaimer. I was almost ready to switch to private email when they started with this cr*p, but 1. I'm lazy, 2. other people have similar disclaimers, so I felt not so guilty. Regarding gmail - I already have gmail account and I don't want to use it for other activities. I attempted to use second account, but this provide complexity. However I have no luck - yahoo is bad, aol is the same company so I won't even try. Protonmail claim they don't support POP3/IMAP, and GMX registration just ended with some error. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Email Providers
--> protonmail.com, free, but worth paying for. Thunderbird is possible, although more difficult than normal. I think there are many reasons to avoid gmail, although I do not (obviously). yahoo is garbage; and the tech world still wonders why they still exist. Maybe big G secretly subsidises them to have some pretend competition for lawsuit purposes. Anyway, can't say I'll miss the huge disclaimer your former employer appended to your posts. sas On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 4:38 PM Radoslaw Skorupka < 0368479ca34d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > ... > PS It seems I will have to change email again, because yahoo insist to > treat most of the IBM-MAIN postings as a spam, and even does not allow to > manually mark it as non-spam message. More: some messages are not shown at > all. > I don't know what provider to choose. For some reasons I don't want gmail > and I want to use Thunderbird as a client, so it make the list shorter. > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
