Re: GDPS, Metro Mirror, Global Mirror
Jesse, EMC has a few different types of SRDF, both synchronous and asynchronous. Hitachi has TrueCopy, which is synchronous and can be mixed on the floor with the IBM kit for point in time replication as long as the connection is between the same vendor. GDPS can manage TrueCopy for Hyperswap and metro replication. Hitachi also has Universal Replicator (HUR) for asynchronous replication. You can describe HUR as XRC in a can, but it has some link recovery advantages over XRC. You can use HUR with TrueCopy for 3DC. I'm out of date on IBM's GDPS support for EMC and Hitachi, but they were supporting GDPS services on those platforms 12 months ago, so IBM is not the only choice, even if you go the GDPS automation route. RON HAWKINS Director, Ipsicsopt Pty Ltd (ACN: 627 705 971) m+61 400029610| t: +1 4085625415 | f: +1 4087912585 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2019 09:07 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] GDPS, Metro Mirror, Global Mirror We’ve used XRC for DR for two decades, the first decade without GDPS (in-house RYO), much easier after we added GDPS. Some of your 'options' are determined by hardware. For example, with XRC, your source volumes must be IBM, but the target volumes can be any flavor. Dell/EMC has their own protocol (SRDF?). I think Hitachi has yet another one. So start with the options that are available for your gear unless your mgmt is so hot to trot that they would sweep the floor to get this going. Having lived with DR in a suitcase for ages before mirroring, I can verify that the old Harold Hill technique is strictly last century. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ron Hawkins Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 3:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: GDPS, Metro Mirror, Global Mirror Fred, Have a look outside the nine dots at what the other vendors are offering. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and the IBM products and services are not necessarily the best or most cost-effective way to get the job done. RON HAWKINS Director, Ipsicsopt Pty Ltd (ACN: 627 705 971) m+61 400029610| t: +1 4085625415 | f: +1 4087912585 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Conley Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2019 03:27 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] GDPS, Metro Mirror, Global Mirror On 8/26/2019 10:11 AM, fred glenlake wrote: > Hi List, > > I am looking for some direction on how to get up to speed with GDPS, Metro > Mirror, Global Mirror, etc. My site has been a single site for quite some > time and DR tests have been go to a DR provider, lug the physical tapes along > of the latest backups and spend a few days restoring before turning it over > to selected users to break...ertest. > > Now the light bulbs have gone off in the executive suites and they want to > establish and second and possibly third site with replication out of state > (200+ miles away), the whole ball of wax. Go from zero to 200MPH right away > and of course I have never set one of these up and made them work. > > I am starting to download the IBM manuals on the stuff so I can enhance my > insomnia reading collection, I just want to make sure I am reading up on the > correct material as there seems to be quite a bit available. > > Hence any suggestions, comments on how to get myself up to speed in a > reasonable amount of time would be greatly appreciated. > > Also if this is not the correct list for this type of question and there is > another more appropriate list please let me know so I may ask in the > appropriate list. > > Many thanks, > > Fred G. > Fred, GDPS is not just a product, it is a service sold by IBM. IBM will configure, set up, and install GDPS to get you up and running, with periodic visits to ensure that you're up to snuff. Your management needs to brace themselves, because even the smallest shops are looking at 7+ figures to install GDPS. I've worked with the teams doing it. It's an awesome solution for recovery, with a price tag to match. If your company is a SHARE member, the SHARE GDPS presentations have excellent overview information. GDPS is based on NetView and SA/390, so you should read up on them as well. Metro and Global mirror are PPRC and XRC based, so get familiar with them. Good luck, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: GDPS, Metro Mirror, Global Mirror
We’ve used XRC for DR for two decades, the first decade without GDPS (in-house RYO), much easier after we added GDPS. Some of your 'options' are determined by hardware. For example, with XRC, your source volumes must be IBM, but the target volumes can be any flavor. Dell/EMC has their own protocol (SRDF?). I think Hitachi has yet another one. So start with the options that are available for your gear unless your mgmt is so hot to trot that they would sweep the floor to get this going. Having lived with DR in a suitcase for ages before mirroring, I can verify that the old Harold Hill technique is strictly last century. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ron Hawkins Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 3:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: GDPS, Metro Mirror, Global Mirror Fred, Have a look outside the nine dots at what the other vendors are offering. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and the IBM products and services are not necessarily the best or most cost-effective way to get the job done. RON HAWKINS Director, Ipsicsopt Pty Ltd (ACN: 627 705 971) m+61 400029610| t: +1 4085625415 | f: +1 4087912585 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Conley Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2019 03:27 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] GDPS, Metro Mirror, Global Mirror On 8/26/2019 10:11 AM, fred glenlake wrote: > Hi List, > > I am looking for some direction on how to get up to speed with GDPS, Metro > Mirror, Global Mirror, etc. My site has been a single site for quite some > time and DR tests have been go to a DR provider, lug the physical tapes along > of the latest backups and spend a few days restoring before turning it over > to selected users to break...ertest. > > Now the light bulbs have gone off in the executive suites and they want to > establish and second and possibly third site with replication out of state > (200+ miles away), the whole ball of wax. Go from zero to 200MPH right away > and of course I have never set one of these up and made them work. > > I am starting to download the IBM manuals on the stuff so I can enhance my > insomnia reading collection, I just want to make sure I am reading up on the > correct material as there seems to be quite a bit available. > > Hence any suggestions, comments on how to get myself up to speed in a > reasonable amount of time would be greatly appreciated. > > Also if this is not the correct list for this type of question and there is > another more appropriate list please let me know so I may ask in the > appropriate list. > > Many thanks, > > Fred G. > Fred, GDPS is not just a product, it is a service sold by IBM. IBM will configure, set up, and install GDPS to get you up and running, with periodic visits to ensure that you're up to snuff. Your management needs to brace themselves, because even the smallest shops are looking at 7+ figures to install GDPS. I've worked with the teams doing it. It's an awesome solution for recovery, with a price tag to match. If your company is a SHARE member, the SHARE GDPS presentations have excellent overview information. GDPS is based on NetView and SA/390, so you should read up on them as well. Metro and Global mirror are PPRC and XRC based, so get familiar with them. Good luck, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: GDPS, Metro Mirror, Global Mirror
Fred, Have a look outside the nine dots at what the other vendors are offering. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and the IBM products and services are not necessarily the best or most cost-effective way to get the job done. RON HAWKINS Director, Ipsicsopt Pty Ltd (ACN: 627 705 971) m+61 400029610| t: +1 4085625415 | f: +1 4087912585 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Conley Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2019 03:27 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] GDPS, Metro Mirror, Global Mirror On 8/26/2019 10:11 AM, fred glenlake wrote: > Hi List, > > I am looking for some direction on how to get up to speed with GDPS, Metro > Mirror, Global Mirror, etc. My site has been a single site for quite some > time and DR tests have been go to a DR provider, lug the physical tapes along > of the latest backups and spend a few days restoring before turning it over > to selected users to break...ertest. > > Now the light bulbs have gone off in the executive suites and they want to > establish and second and possibly third site with replication out of state > (200+ miles away), the whole ball of wax. Go from zero to 200MPH right away > and of course I have never set one of these up and made them work. > > I am starting to download the IBM manuals on the stuff so I can enhance my > insomnia reading collection, I just want to make sure I am reading up on the > correct material as there seems to be quite a bit available. > > Hence any suggestions, comments on how to get myself up to speed in a > reasonable amount of time would be greatly appreciated. > > Also if this is not the correct list for this type of question and there is > another more appropriate list please let me know so I may ask in the > appropriate list. > > Many thanks, > > Fred G. > Fred, GDPS is not just a product, it is a service sold by IBM. IBM will configure, set up, and install GDPS to get you up and running, with periodic visits to ensure that you're up to snuff. Your management needs to brace themselves, because even the smallest shops are looking at 7+ figures to install GDPS. I've worked with the teams doing it. It's an awesome solution for recovery, with a price tag to match. If your company is a SHARE member, the SHARE GDPS presentations have excellent overview information. GDPS is based on NetView and SA/390, so you should read up on them as well. Metro and Global mirror are PPRC and XRC based, so get familiar with them. Good luck, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: GDPS, Metro Mirror, Global Mirror
Here is a link to the GDPS REDBOOK: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246374.html?Open And to get information on the products, capabilities, etc., send an email to g...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: GDPS, Metro Mirror, Global Mirror
Very likely to be Freedom units $$$. - Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: 27 August 2019 07:21 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: GDPS, Metro Mirror, Global Mirror Tom Conley wrote: >Your management needs to brace themselves, because even the smallest >shops are looking at 7+ figures to install GDPS. Which currency are you talking about there? :-) There are various GDPS offerings, and their prices vary. Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MARKSANDSPENCER.COM Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: GDPS, Metro Mirror, Global Mirror
Tom Conley wrote: >Your management needs to brace themselves, because even >the smallest shops are looking at 7+ figures to install >GDPS. Which currency are you talking about there? :-) There are various GDPS offerings, and their prices vary. Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: GDPS, Metro Mirror, Global Mirror
On 8/26/2019 10:11 AM, fred glenlake wrote: Hi List, I am looking for some direction on how to get up to speed with GDPS, Metro Mirror, Global Mirror, etc. My site has been a single site for quite some time and DR tests have been go to a DR provider, lug the physical tapes along of the latest backups and spend a few days restoring before turning it over to selected users to break...ertest. Now the light bulbs have gone off in the executive suites and they want to establish and second and possibly third site with replication out of state (200+ miles away), the whole ball of wax. Go from zero to 200MPH right away and of course I have never set one of these up and made them work. I am starting to download the IBM manuals on the stuff so I can enhance my insomnia reading collection, I just want to make sure I am reading up on the correct material as there seems to be quite a bit available. Hence any suggestions, comments on how to get myself up to speed in a reasonable amount of time would be greatly appreciated. Also if this is not the correct list for this type of question and there is another more appropriate list please let me know so I may ask in the appropriate list. Many thanks, Fred G. Fred, GDPS is not just a product, it is a service sold by IBM. IBM will configure, set up, and install GDPS to get you up and running, with periodic visits to ensure that you're up to snuff. Your management needs to brace themselves, because even the smallest shops are looking at 7+ figures to install GDPS. I've worked with the teams doing it. It's an awesome solution for recovery, with a price tag to match. If your company is a SHARE member, the SHARE GDPS presentations have excellent overview information. GDPS is based on NetView and SA/390, so you should read up on them as well. Metro and Global mirror are PPRC and XRC based, so get familiar with them. Good luck, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
GDPS, Metro Mirror, Global Mirror
Hi List, I am looking for some direction on how to get up to speed with GDPS, Metro Mirror, Global Mirror, etc. My site has been a single site for quite some time and DR tests have been go to a DR provider, lug the physical tapes along of the latest backups and spend a few days restoring before turning it over to selected users to break...ertest. Now the light bulbs have gone off in the executive suites and they want to establish and second and possibly third site with replication out of state (200+ miles away), the whole ball of wax. Go from zero to 200MPH right away and of course I have never set one of these up and made them work. I am starting to download the IBM manuals on the stuff so I can enhance my insomnia reading collection, I just want to make sure I am reading up on the correct material as there seems to be quite a bit available. Hence any suggestions, comments on how to get myself up to speed in a reasonable amount of time would be greatly appreciated. Also if this is not the correct list for this type of question and there is another more appropriate list please let me know so I may ask in the appropriate list. Many thanks, Fred G. Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
