Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID
I installed a feature pack for CICS. It came as a separate FMID. We are having trouble making it work, so I wanted to make sure that we had the latest maintenance for it. That tells me why you want to install (APPLY) PTFs for a single FMID. It does not answer my question of why you feel it necessary to order and receive PTFs only for that FMID. At the risk of beating a dead horse, I'll say you are missing the point I and others are trying to make. You can order and RECEIVE all PTFs, but then you can install (APPLY) only the PTFs for the FMID you desire, using FORFMID on the APPLY. There is no harm in having PTFs in your global zone that you don't intend to install, yet. After all, you will have a maintenance cycle eventually, and you will need to APPLY those PTFs eventually, right? Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID
I was working on a specific product and *ONLY* wanted maintenance for that. Time and again I had to figure out all the pertaining PTF's and do a select(,,,,eee, etc etc) I did NOT want maintenance for other products to be recieved and applied. (I know I'm going to kick my self for responding, but...) Why didn't you want PTFs for other FMIDs received? What's the harm? You'll need them eventually, right? Because you will eventually update all the other FMIDs with service during a maintenance cycle, right? Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Dec 1, 2014, at 8:41 AM, Kurt Quackenbush wrote: Kurt: We wanted to bring RACF to the latest level without the other acruttumonts(sp?) so w just wanted to receive maintenance for RACF. We had an issue and level 2 want ptf X on and x was in the the group of PTFS that we wanted to order from IBM but did not want to apply the who mess . Ed That tells me why you want to install (APPLY) PTFs for a single FMID. It does not answer my question of why you feel it necessary to order and receive PTFs only for that FMID. At the risk of beating a dead horse, I'll say you are missing the point I and others are trying to make. You can order and RECEIVE all PTFs, but then you can install (APPLY) only the PTFs for the FMID you desire, using FORFMID on the APPLY. There is no harm in having PTFs in your global zone that you don't intend to install, yet. After all, you will have a maintenance cycle eventually, and you will need to APPLY those PTFs eventually, right? Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID
Kurt: We didn't have the DASD space at the time (we needed a few extra volumes for maintenance and they were being used by another application). We were in a DASD constrained environment. Ed On Dec 1, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Kurt Quackenbush wrote: I was working on a specific product and *ONLY* wanted maintenance for that. Time and again I had to figure out all the pertaining PTF's and do a select(,,,,eee, etc etc) I did NOT want maintenance for other products to be recieved and applied. (I know I'm going to kick my self for responding, but...) Why didn't you want PTFs for other FMIDs received? What's the harm? You'll need them eventually, right? Because you will eventually update all the other FMIDs with service during a maintenance cycle, right? Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID
On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:49:37 -0600, Ed Gould wrote: We didn't have the DASD space at the time (we needed a few extra volumes for maintenance and they were being used by another application). We were in a DASD constrained environment. Is there a further performance concern in that if the user wants to APPLY a single PTF (plus what GROUPEXTEND brings along), the user will spend network bandwidth to download everything; CPU cycles to un-pax everything; space in SMPNTS and SMPWKDIR; and more CPU cycles to pass a needlessly large SMPPTFIN? (All assuming the customer is in a hurry for an urgent PTF and is willing to defer the other stuff until later.) Beyond those performance concerns, APPLY SELECT() GROUPEXTEND should suffice. Some years ago, a contributor to this list used the notion of The Great SMPPTS in the Sky, his vision being that APPLY should access that cloud and transfer and unpack only the PTFs needed according to SELECT() GROUPEXTEND. The RECEIVE command, a relic of tape processing, would simply vanish. It remains an unfulfilled wish. On Dec 1, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Kurt Quackenbush wrote: (I know I'm going to kick my self for responding, but...) Why didn't you want PTFs for other FMIDs received? What's the harm? You'll need them eventually, right? Because you will eventually update all the other FMIDs with service during a maintenance cycle, right? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID
The problem I had with it was that there doesn't seem to be any way to order maintenance for an FMID (or product) until *after* it has been applied. I would have much preferred to have applied all maintenance along with the FMID, particularly since there were ++IFREQs against the FMID that wanted to prevent us from applying the FMID without the PTFs that we couldn't get until after the FMID had been applied, but couldn't be with out the PTFs that couldn't be obtained until after the apply, which couldn't be done until... etc. Tim Henness Newport News Shipbuilding On 12/1/2014 9:41 AM, Kurt Quackenbush wrote: That tells me why you want to install (APPLY) PTFs for a single FMID. It does not answer my question of why you feel it necessary to order and receive PTFs only for that FMID. At the risk of beating a dead horse, I'll say you are missing the point I and others are trying to make. You can order and RECEIVE all PTFs, but then you can install (APPLY) only the PTFs for the FMID you desire, using FORFMID on the APPLY. There is no harm in having PTFs in your global zone that you don't intend to install, yet. After all, you will have a maintenance cycle eventually, and you will need to APPLY those PTFs eventually, right? Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 00:04:50 -0500, Tim Henness wrote: The problem I had with it was that there doesn't seem to be any way to order maintenance for an FMID (or product) until *after* it has been applied. I would have much preferred to have applied all maintenance along with the FMID, particularly since there were ++IFREQs against the FMID that wanted to prevent us from applying the FMID without the PTFs that we couldn't get until after the FMID had been applied, but couldn't be with out the PTFs that couldn't be obtained until after the apply, which couldn't be done until... etc. RECEIVE and APPLY are two separate operations with different rules. So: RECEIVE the FUNCTION(s) RECEIVE the PTFs and HOLDDATA APPLY SELECT(FMID(s)) GROUPEXTEND. (or, does shopZ actually preclude that, as you seem to be saying. That would be a defect, perhaps not APARable, but at least subject to RFE or Requirement. For a properly designed shopZ, it should suffice to have the FMID in the GLOBAL zone; no requirement for its presence in the TZONE.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID
To apply PTFs for a specific fmid: //APPLYEXEC PGM=GIMSMP,PARM='DATE=U',REGION=0M //SMPCSI DD DISP=SHR,DSN=your_csi //SMPCNTL DD * SET BDY (your_target) . APPLY PTFS FORFMID (your_fmid) GROUPEXTEND BYPASS(HOLDSYS) RETRY(YES) C(ALL) . Hope this is what you've been looking for. Lucas Rosalen Kurt: I was working on a specific product and *ONLY* wanted maintenance for that. Time and again I had to figure out all the pertaining PTF's and do a select(,,,,eee, etc etc) I did NOT want maintenance for other products to be recieved and applied. Ed On Nov 25, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Kurt Quackenbush wrote: Is it possible to use RECEIVE ORDER for a specific FMID? I am running SMP/E 36.11 on z/OS 1.13. To what purpose? Limiting bandwidth for an urgently needed PTF? Sooner or later you're likely to need all available PTFs. Easier to RECEIVE all and APPLY SELECT( ... ) GROUPEXTEND [CHECK] Yes, yes, yes! What he said exactly. Why oh why do you want to order and receive PTFs for only a specific FMID? Why don't you want PTFs for all of your installed FMIDs? Of course you don't need to APPLY them all, but you will have them when you do eventually need 'em. Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID
Thanks. However *I* was the one that raised a SHARE requirement for forfmid. :) Ed On Nov 26, 2014, at 7:30 AM, Lucas Rosalen wrote: To apply PTFs for a specific fmid: //APPLYEXEC PGM=GIMSMP,PARM='DATE=U',REGION=0M //SMPCSI DD DISP=SHR,DSN=your_csi //SMPCNTL DD * SET BDY (your_target) . APPLY PTFS FORFMID (your_fmid) GROUPEXTEND BYPASS(HOLDSYS) RETRY(YES) C(ALL) . Hope this is what you've been looking for. Lucas Rosalen Kurt: I was working on a specific product and *ONLY* wanted maintenance for that. Time and again I had to figure out all the pertaining PTF's and do a select(,,,,eee, etc etc) I did NOT want maintenance for other products to be recieved and applied. Ed On Nov 25, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Kurt Quackenbush wrote: Is it possible to use RECEIVE ORDER for a specific FMID? I am running SMP/E 36.11 on z/OS 1.13. To what purpose? Limiting bandwidth for an urgently needed PTF? Sooner or later you're likely to need all available PTFs. Easier to RECEIVE all and APPLY SELECT( ... ) GROUPEXTEND [CHECK] Yes, yes, yes! What he said exactly. Why oh why do you want to order and receive PTFs for only a specific FMID? Why don't you want PTFs for all of your installed FMIDs? Of course you don't need to APPLY them all, but you will have them when you do eventually need 'em. Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID
Well played mr. Gould! --- *Lucas Rosalen* rosalen.lu...@gmail.com +55 19 9-8146-7633 2014-11-26 14:44 GMT-02:00 Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net: Thanks. However *I* was the one that raised a SHARE requirement for forfmid. :) Ed On Nov 26, 2014, at 7:30 AM, Lucas Rosalen wrote: To apply PTFs for a specific fmid: //APPLYEXEC PGM=GIMSMP,PARM='DATE=U',REGION=0M //SMPCSI DD DISP=SHR,DSN=your_csi //SMPCNTL DD * SET BDY (your_target) . APPLY PTFS FORFMID (your_fmid) GROUPEXTEND BYPASS(HOLDSYS) RETRY(YES) C(ALL) . Hope this is what you've been looking for. Lucas Rosalen Kurt: I was working on a specific product and *ONLY* wanted maintenance for that. Time and again I had to figure out all the pertaining PTF's and do a select(,,,,eee, etc etc) I did NOT want maintenance for other products to be recieved and applied. Ed On Nov 25, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Kurt Quackenbush wrote: Is it possible to use RECEIVE ORDER for a specific FMID? I am running SMP/E 36.11 on z/OS 1.13. To what purpose? Limiting bandwidth for an urgently needed PTF? Sooner or later you're likely to need all available PTFs. Easier to RECEIVE all and APPLY SELECT( ... ) GROUPEXTEND [CHECK] Yes, yes, yes! What he said exactly. Why oh why do you want to order and receive PTFs for only a specific FMID? Why don't you want PTFs for all of your installed FMIDs? Of course you don't need to APPLY them all, but you will have them when you do eventually need 'em. Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID
Is it possible to use RECEIVE ORDER for a specific FMID? I am running SMP/E 36.11 on z/OS 1.13. To what purpose? Limiting bandwidth for an urgently needed PTF? Sooner or later you're likely to need all available PTFs. Easier to RECEIVE all and APPLY SELECT( ... ) GROUPEXTEND [CHECK] Yes, yes, yes! What he said exactly. Why oh why do you want to order and receive PTFs for only a specific FMID? Why don't you want PTFs for all of your installed FMIDs? Of course you don't need to APPLY them all, but you will have them when you do eventually need 'em. Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID
Kurt Quackenbush wrote: Is it possible to use RECEIVE ORDER for a specific FMID? I am running SMP/E 36.11 on z/OS 1.13. To what purpose? Limiting bandwidth for an urgently needed PTF? Sooner or later you're likely to need all available PTFs. Easier to RECEIVE all and APPLY SELECT( ... ) GROUPEXTEND [CHECK] Yes, yes, yes! What he said exactly. Why oh why do you want to order and receive PTFs for only a specific FMID? Why don't you want PTFs for all of your installed FMIDs? Of course you don't need to APPLY them all, but you will have them when you do eventually need 'em. One possible reason - trying to nail a defective PTF or some weird bug? I think the OP should say WHY? Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Hi, I installed a feature pack for CICS. It came as a separate FMID. We are having trouble making it work, so I wanted to make sure that we had the latest maintenance for it. Gadi -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID Kurt Quackenbush wrote: Is it possible to use RECEIVE ORDER for a specific FMID? I am running SMP/E 36.11 on z/OS 1.13. To what purpose? Limiting bandwidth for an urgently needed PTF? Sooner or later you're likely to need all available PTFs. Easier to RECEIVE all and APPLY SELECT( ... ) GROUPEXTEND [CHECK] Yes, yes, yes! What he said exactly. Why oh why do you want to order and receive PTFs for only a specific FMID? Why don't you want PTFs for all of your installed FMIDs? Of course you don't need to APPLY them all, but you will have them when you do eventually need 'em. One possible reason - trying to nail a defective PTF or some weird bug? I think the OP should say WHY? Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN לשימת לבך, בהתאם לנהלי חברת מלם מערכות בעמ ו/או כל חברת בת ו/או חברה קשורה שלה (להלן : החברה) וזכויות החתימה בהן, כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, מחייבים מסמך נפרד וחתום על ידי מורשי החתימה של החברה, הנושא את לוגו החברה או שמה המודפס ובצירוף חותמת החברה. בהעדר מסמך כאמור (לרבות מסמך סרוק) המצורף להודעת דואר אלקטרוני זאת, אין לראות באמור בהודעה אלא משום טיוטה לדיון, ואין להסתמך עליה לביצוע פעולה עסקית או משפטית כלשהי. Please note that in accordance with Malam and/or its subsidiaries (hereinafter : Malam) regulations and signatory rights, no offer, agreement, concession or representation is binding on the Malam, unless accompanied by a duly signed separate document (or a scanned version thereof), affixed with the Malam seal. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID
On 2014-11-24, at 09:11, Chase, John wrote: GROUPEXTEND seems to be in force when the IFREQ FMID(s) exist(s) in (one of) the target zone(s) specified on RECEIVE ORDER. I have ordered specific PTFs for (e.g.) the COBOL v5.1 compiler (HADB510), and IFREQ PTF(s) for Language Environment (LE) were also RECEIVEd when I specified FORTGTZONES(CBL510T,MVST100). We have LE (HLE7780) in the MVST100 zone That resembles GROUP more than GROUPEXTEND. On 2014-11-24, at 09:23, Jousma, David wrote: I think Gadi can accomplish what he wants if he first does a RECEIVE ORDER.TRANSFERONLY. Then does a RECEIVE FROMNTS with the FORFMID. Yep, still ordering and downloading all available maintenance, but not receiving it all. I don’t see the benefit or the need, just trying to provide a mechanism that was asked for. If the goal is avoiding overhead, I fear that RECEIVE FROMNETWORK with selection options still extracts the entire package. But it has been mentioned here that RECEIVE FROMNETWORK now supports an enormous number of FILEDEFs (I've watched it; it seems to extract in batches of a few hundred; concatenate the outputs, and perform selection on the ensemble). I don't believe that SMP/E has any awareness that it needs to extract only a subset of files in a package. But my knowledge may be outdated. On 2014-11-25, at 07:16, גדי בן אבי wrote: I installed a feature pack for CICS. It came as a separate FMID. We are having trouble making it work, so I wanted to make sure that we had the latest maintenance for it. That still provides no rationale not to RECEIVE everything then APPLY selectively. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID
Kurt: I was working on a specific product and *ONLY* wanted maintenance for that. Time and again I had to figure out all the pertaining PTF's and do a select(,,,,eee, etc etc) I did NOT want maintenance for other products to be recieved and applied. Ed On Nov 25, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Kurt Quackenbush wrote: Is it possible to use RECEIVE ORDER for a specific FMID? I am running SMP/E 36.11 on z/OS 1.13. To what purpose? Limiting bandwidth for an urgently needed PTF? Sooner or later you're likely to need all available PTFs. Easier to RECEIVE all and APPLY SELECT( ... ) GROUPEXTEND [CHECK] Yes, yes, yes! What he said exactly. Why oh why do you want to order and receive PTFs for only a specific FMID? Why don't you want PTFs for all of your installed FMIDs? Of course you don't need to APPLY them all, but you will have them when you do eventually need 'em. Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Getting ptfs for a specific FMID
Hi, Is it possible to use RECEIVE ORDER for a specific FMID? I am running SMP/E 36.11 on z/OS 1.13. Thanks Gadi לשימת לבך, בהתאם לנהלי חברת מלם מערכות בעמ ו/או כל חברת בת ו/או חברה קשורה שלה (להלן : החברה) וזכויות החתימה בהן, כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, מחייבים מסמך נפרד וחתום על ידי מורשי החתימה של החברה, הנושא את לוגו החברה או שמה המודפס ובצירוף חותמת החברה. בהעדר מסמך כאמור (לרבות מסמך סרוק) המצורף להודעת דואר אלקטרוני זאת, אין לראות באמור בהודעה אלא משום טיוטה לדיון, ואין להסתמך עליה לביצוע פעולה עסקית או משפטית כלשהי. Please note that in accordance with Malam and/or its subsidiaries (hereinafter : Malam) regulations and signatory rights, no offer, agreement, concession or representation is binding on the Malam, unless accompanied by a duly signed separate document (or a scanned version thereof), affixed with the Malam seal. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Gadi, I don't think that is possible. Unless, of course, some product consists of a single FMID. But you can't, for instance, only order TCPIP independently of z/OS. At least, I cannot see any way to do that. As an aside, if possible, could you adjust your email software to left justify your English text? It is really disconcerting to have your sentences align on the right. I guess that is due to your normal Hebrew text needing to be right justified. It's not a bit deal, but the messages look really weird to this old Texan grin/. 2014-11-24 7:55 GMT-06:00 גדי בן אבי gad...@malam.com: Hi, Is it possible to use RECEIVE ORDER for a specific FMID? I am running SMP/E 36.11 on z/OS 1.13. Thanks Gadi לשימת לבך, בהתאם לנהלי חברת מלם מערכות בעמ ו/או כל חברת בת ו/או חברה קשורה שלה (להלן : החברה) וזכויות החתימה בהן, כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, מחייבים מסמך נפרד וחתום על ידי מורשי החתימה של החברה, הנושא את לוגו החברה או שמה המודפס ובצירוף חותמת החברה. בהעדר מסמך כאמור (לרבות מסמך סרוק) המצורף להודעת דואר אלקטרוני זאת, אין לראות באמור בהודעה אלא משום טיוטה לדיון, ואין להסתמך עליה לביצוע פעולה עסקית או משפטית כלשהי. Please note that in accordance with Malam and/or its subsidiaries (hereinafter : Malam) regulations and signatory rights, no offer, agreement, concession or representation is binding on the Malam, unless accompanied by a duly signed separate document (or a scanned version thereof), affixed with the Malam seal. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The temperature of the aqueous content of an unremittingly ogled culinary vessel will not achieve 100 degrees on the Celsius scale. Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Hi, AFAIK normal RECEIVE ORDER does not have such a function to include or exclude FMIDs, but there is an offering of IBM Germany which allows to specify a BLACKLIST or a WHITELIST of FMIDs to be included or excluded, when you order service. You'll find some information about this product named CPMz here: https://www-03.ibm.com/services/ca/en/custompac/country/germany/ge_en/cpm.html Kind regards Juergen -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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You might: http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21225816 3.0 Ordering Products in Shop zSeries Mainframe product orders are placed through the Shop zSeries Web site. If you have already purchased the product and are current on your MLC (machine-level control) or OTC SS license, you are typically not charged for the order. Products are fulfilled using the customized offering in either CBPDO or ServerPac format. 4.0 Ordering Maintenance in Shop zSeries Mainframe maintenance orders are placed through the ShopzSeries Web site. If you are current on your MLC or OTC SS license, you are not typically charged for the order. You can order maintenance in the following ways: individual PTFs PTFs for individual APARs service for individual installed FMIDs service for individual installed products (requires SMP/E 3.2) service for all installed products in one or more SMP/E zones service for all licensed products in one or more SRELs (new and improved - not a service only CBPDO) Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 7:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID Gadi, I don't think that is possible. Unless, of course, some product consists of a single FMID. But you can't, for instance, only order TCPIP independently of z/OS. At least, I cannot see any way to do that. As an aside, if possible, could you adjust your email software to left justify your English text? It is really disconcerting to have your sentences align on the right. I guess that is due to your normal Hebrew text needing to be right justified. It's not a bit deal, but the messages look really weird to this old Texan grin/. 2014-11-24 7:55 GMT-06:00 גדי בן אבי gad...@malam.com: Hi, Is it possible to use RECEIVE ORDER for a specific FMID? I am running SMP/E 36.11 on z/OS 1.13. Thanks Gadi -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of ??? ?? ??? Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 7:55 AM Hi, Is it possible to use RECEIVE ORDER for a specific FMID? I am running SMP/E 36.11 on z/OS 1.13. Yes, but only if the specific FMID is the only FMID in a specified Target Zone, or you specify CONTENT(PTFS(list_of_ptfs_applicable_to_specific_FMID)). -jc- ** Information contained in this e-mail message and in any attachments thereto is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems, notify the sender immediately, and refrain from using or disclosing all or any part of its content to any other person. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:41:14 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21225816 You can order maintenance in the following ways: individual PTFs PTFs for individual APARs service for individual installed FMIDs service for individual installed products (requires SMP/E 3.2) service for all installed products in one or more SMP/E zones service for all licensed products in one or more SRELs (new and improved - not a service only CBPDO) But consider: you might also need: o PTFs for cross-FMID (IF ...) REQs o Cross-FMID PTFs resolving HOLD ERRORs sort of a RECEIVE ORDER GROUPEXTEND. 2014-11-24 7:55 GMT-06:00 גדי בן אבי gad...@malam.com: Is it possible to use RECEIVE ORDER for a specific FMID? I am running SMP/E 36.11 on z/OS 1.13. To what purpose? Limiting bandwidth for an urgently needed PTF? Sooner or later you're likely to need all available PTFs. Easier to RECEIVE all and APPLY SELECT( ... ) GROUPEXTEND [CHECK] -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:01 AM On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:41:14 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21225816 You can order maintenance in the following ways: individual PTFs PTFs for individual APARs service for individual installed FMIDs --- - service for individual installed products (requires SMP/E 3.2) service for all installed products in one or more SMP/E zones service for all licensed products in one or more SRELs (new and improved - not a service only CBPDO) But consider: you might also need: o PTFs for cross-FMID (IF ...) REQs o Cross-FMID PTFs resolving HOLD ERRORs sort of a RECEIVE ORDER GROUPEXTEND. GROUPEXTEND seems to be in force when the IFREQ FMID(s) exist(s) in (one of) the target zone(s) specified on RECEIVE ORDER. I have ordered specific PTFs for (e.g.) the COBOL v5.1 compiler (HADB510), and IFREQ PTF(s) for Language Environment (LE) were also RECEIVEd when I specified FORTGTZONES(CBL510T,MVST100). We have LE (HLE7780) in the MVST100 zone -jc- ** Information contained in this e-mail message and in any attachments thereto is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems, notify the sender immediately, and refrain from using or disclosing all or any part of its content to any other person. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I think Gadi can accomplish what he wants if he first does a RECEIVE ORDER.TRANSFERONLY. Then does a RECEIVE FROMNTS with the FORFMID. Yep, still ordering and downloading all available maintenance, but not receiving it all. I don’t see the benefit or the need, just trying to provide a mechanism that was asked for. _ Dave Jousma Assistant Vice President, Mainframe Engineering david.jou...@53.com 1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 MD RSCB2H p 616.653.8429 f 616.653.2717 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:01 AM On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:41:14 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21225816 You can order maintenance in the following ways: individual PTFs PTFs for individual APARs service for individual installed FMIDs --- - service for individual installed products (requires SMP/E 3.2) service for all installed products in one or more SMP/E zones service for all licensed products in one or more SRELs (new and improved - not a service only CBPDO) But consider: you might also need: o PTFs for cross-FMID (IF ...) REQs o Cross-FMID PTFs resolving HOLD ERRORs sort of a RECEIVE ORDER GROUPEXTEND. GROUPEXTEND seems to be in force when the IFREQ FMID(s) exist(s) in (one of) the target zone(s) specified on RECEIVE ORDER. I have ordered specific PTFs for (e.g.) the COBOL v5.1 compiler (HADB510), and IFREQ PTF(s) for Language Environment (LE) were also RECEIVEd when I specified FORTGTZONES(CBL510T,MVST100). We have LE (HLE7780) in the MVST100 zone -jc- ** Information contained in this e-mail message and in any attachments thereto is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems, notify the sender immediately, and refrain from using or disclosing all or any part of its content to any other person. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Actually, upon closer examination, closer to 5M lines a day during the week. The prior 2M lines comment was a weekend day. _ Dave Jousma Assistant Vice President, Mainframe Engineering david.jou...@53.com 1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 MD RSCB2H p 616.653.8429 f 616.653.2717 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:01 AM On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:41:14 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21225816 You can order maintenance in the following ways: individual PTFs PTFs for individual APARs service for individual installed FMIDs --- - service for individual installed products (requires SMP/E 3.2) service for all installed products in one or more SMP/E zones service for all licensed products in one or more SRELs (new and improved - not a service only CBPDO) But consider: you might also need: o PTFs for cross-FMID (IF ...) REQs o Cross-FMID PTFs resolving HOLD ERRORs sort of a RECEIVE ORDER GROUPEXTEND. GROUPEXTEND seems to be in force when the IFREQ FMID(s) exist(s) in (one of) the target zone(s) specified on RECEIVE ORDER. I have ordered specific PTFs for (e.g.) the COBOL v5.1 compiler (HADB510), and IFREQ PTF(s) for Language Environment (LE) were also RECEIVEd when I specified FORTGTZONES(CBL510T,MVST100). We have LE (HLE7780) in the MVST100 zone -jc- ** Information contained in this e-mail message and in any attachments thereto is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems, notify the sender immediately, and refrain from using or disclosing all or any part of its content to any other person. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID
Paul, Way back when I was having a similar issue with applies so I asked IBM (SHARE REQ) for apply forfmid. I was lucky I asked for it and got it the the next SHARE so I am guessing it was in the works already. Ed On Nov 24, 2014, at 10:00 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:41:14 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21225816 You can order maintenance in the following ways: individual PTFs PTFs for individual APARs service for individual installed FMIDs service for individual installed products (requires SMP/E 3.2) service for all installed products in one or more SMP/E zones service for all licensed products in one or more SRELs (new and improved - not a service only CBPDO) But consider: you might also need: o PTFs for cross-FMID (IF ...) REQs o Cross-FMID PTFs resolving HOLD ERRORs sort of a RECEIVE ORDER GROUPEXTEND. 2014-11-24 7:55 GMT-06:00 גדי בן אבי gad...@malam.com: Is it possible to use RECEIVE ORDER for a specific FMID? I am running SMP/E 36.11 on z/OS 1.13. To what purpose? Limiting bandwidth for an urgently needed PTF? Sooner or later you're likely to need all available PTFs. Easier to RECEIVE all and APPLY SELECT( ... ) GROUPEXTEND [CHECK] -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In CAAJSdjgAWPxbUCR=czms7m6qx8hbbqwohpoc6upgro4rxkb...@mail.gmail.com, on 11/24/2014 at 08:05 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: As an aside, if possible, could you adjust your email software to left justify your English text? While I see extraneous blanks in his From: and To: lines the body seems to be left justified. He's got Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1255, so he's not set up for Hebrew. It is really disconcerting to have your sentences align on the right. I guess that is due to your normal Hebrew text needing to be right justified. It looks like the problem is on your end. Does your e-mail client let you look at the raw message? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
