Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
W dniu 17.06.2020 o 20:09, Frank Swarbrick pisze: What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is primarily a TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called CuteFTP. Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS friendly"? Actually I use regular "default" ftp client embedded in any Windows system for years. And have no problems with that. Real problems occur when mainframe is client and your PC is ftp server. However the most tricky issue I found was with z/VM, not z/OS. In this case filezilla server helped me, AFAIR. I also used old 3Com server, mostly because I've got it with FOS (Fabric OS - firmware for FICON switches). Brocade attached it to FOS (but they stopped). This server is still working on x64 Windows 10. Things get more complex when considering FTPS and/or sftp. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
IBM Legal has a conniption fit over the word 'free', but I'm pretty sure that as a base element, there is 'no charge' once you pay the freight for z/OS. The key in uploading or downloading anything other than straight text is to specify 'binary'. The Vista3270 app gives you that choice and remembers from one invocation to the next. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 6:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL Is it free? I see it's a "base element." Does that make it free? (Gift with purchase.) I seemed to recall that it was chargeable. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.e0za100/e0za10034.htm Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 4:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access I refrained from mentioning IND$FILE because that did not seem to be the question. But in fact I'm a fan of IND$FILE: it's built in to z/OS, i.e. free; it's simple to use; and it's reasonably efficient for small files. I would never attempt to use it for very large files, but for a moderate size file, I can have the file transferred using IND$FILE in less time than I would spend trying to correct the syntax and pass the typos with FTP. Best of all, Tom Brennan's Vista3270 has a graphical interface to IND$FILE that makes up- or downloading a file pretty easy. I asked Tom why he didn't include a similar function for FTP. He said that he did not invent (or maintain) the IND$FILE graphical feature, which is a standard function that he simply hooks into. There are of course comparable products for FTP, but Tom doesn't have to make assumptions or requirements for IND$FILE. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 10:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL Wha...? I might have misunderstood you, but it sounds like you're saying I can 1) collect all the REXX execs I want to transfer to the mainframe, 2) ZIP them up (using PKZIP or WinZIP or 7-ZIP or whatever), 3) IND$FILE the .zip file to the mainframe, and then 4) ...here's where I bog down. Is there a mainframe utility that can read .zip files? And if there is (I never dreamt that), maybe I actually bog down at step 3: Do I do the transfer in text or binary? Are you sure you're not just having me on? Even if you are, it suddenly occurs to me that there's a PC-based utility that handles XMIT files, and I think I have a copy left over from an old project. I can bundle them all up in a XMIT file, copy that to the host, then RECEIVE it there. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Every contrition for sin is apt to encourage a not-quite-charitable wish that other people should exhibit a similar contrition. -Charles Williams (1886-1945) */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:34 Why not zip them and do a single transfer of the zip file, then unzip them? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:20 AM Sometimes all that's allowed, though. Some of my clients lock up FTP, and make me use IND$FILE via whatever local 3270 emulation they use. This can be a major pain. Whenever I start at a new installation, one of my first jobs is to load up a bunch of REXX tools I've written over the years. If I have to do them one at a time, it's a big bottleneck. Most apps of that sort allow you to set up a list of files - but you have to enter the list manually, one by one, providing the filename on your PC and the target DSN on the mainframe, so it's not saving anything (and is a one-time job, after all). Last time I had to deal with it I reverse-engineered the format used for multi-file transfers and had VBA create a longer list for me. I felt a fine, self-congratulatory glow at having hacked the system, but really, it shouldn't have been necessary. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
Is it free? I see it's a "base element." Does that make it free? (Gift with purchase.) I seemed to recall that it was chargeable. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.e0za100/e0za10034.htm Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 4:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access I refrained from mentioning IND$FILE because that did not seem to be the question. But in fact I'm a fan of IND$FILE: it's built in to z/OS, i.e. free; it's simple to use; and it's reasonably efficient for small files. I would never attempt to use it for very large files, but for a moderate size file, I can have the file transferred using IND$FILE in less time than I would spend trying to correct the syntax and pass the typos with FTP. Best of all, Tom Brennan's Vista3270 has a graphical interface to IND$FILE that makes up- or downloading a file pretty easy. I asked Tom why he didn't include a similar function for FTP. He said that he did not invent (or maintain) the IND$FILE graphical feature, which is a standard function that he simply hooks into. There are of course comparable products for FTP, but Tom doesn't have to make assumptions or requirements for IND$FILE. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 10:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL Wha...? I might have misunderstood you, but it sounds like you're saying I can 1) collect all the REXX execs I want to transfer to the mainframe, 2) ZIP them up (using PKZIP or WinZIP or 7-ZIP or whatever), 3) IND$FILE the .zip file to the mainframe, and then 4) ...here's where I bog down. Is there a mainframe utility that can read .zip files? And if there is (I never dreamt that), maybe I actually bog down at step 3: Do I do the transfer in text or binary? Are you sure you're not just having me on? Even if you are, it suddenly occurs to me that there's a PC-based utility that handles XMIT files, and I think I have a copy left over from an old project. I can bundle them all up in a XMIT file, copy that to the host, then RECEIVE it there. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Every contrition for sin is apt to encourage a not-quite-charitable wish that other people should exhibit a similar contrition. -Charles Williams (1886-1945) */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:34 Why not zip them and do a single transfer of the zip file, then unzip them? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:20 AM Sometimes all that's allowed, though. Some of my clients lock up FTP, and make me use IND$FILE via whatever local 3270 emulation they use. This can be a major pain. Whenever I start at a new installation, one of my first jobs is to load up a bunch of REXX tools I've written over the years. If I have to do them one at a time, it's a big bottleneck. Most apps of that sort allow you to set up a list of files - but you have to enter the list manually, one by one, providing the filename on your PC and the target DSN on the mainframe, so it's not saving anything (and is a one-time job, after all). Last time I had to deal with it I reverse-engineered the format used for multi-file transfers and had VBA create a longer list for me. I felt a fine, self-congratulatory glow at having hacked the system, but really, it shouldn't have been necessary. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 23:39 Also slower than a dog, and if you are working for the security folks, basically unaudited. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:05 PM I have painfully experienced instances where IND$FILE (on z/VM) mangled a Binary Upload from my MS-Windows 10 Pro workstation. It works every time I use FTP, though (via CLI or WinSCP). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
I refrained from mentioning IND$FILE because that did not seem to be the question. But in fact I'm a fan of IND$FILE: it's built in to z/OS, i.e. free; it's simple to use; and it's reasonably efficient for small files. I would never attempt to use it for very large files, but for a moderate size file, I can have the file transferred using IND$FILE in less time than I would spend trying to correct the syntax and pass the typos with FTP. Best of all, Tom Brennan's Vista3270 has a graphical interface to IND$FILE that makes up- or downloading a file pretty easy. I asked Tom why he didn't include a similar function for FTP. He said that he did not invent (or maintain) the IND$FILE graphical feature, which is a standard function that he simply hooks into. There are of course comparable products for FTP, but Tom doesn't have to make assumptions or requirements for IND$FILE. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 10:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL Wha...? I might have misunderstood you, but it sounds like you're saying I can 1) collect all the REXX execs I want to transfer to the mainframe, 2) ZIP them up (using PKZIP or WinZIP or 7-ZIP or whatever), 3) IND$FILE the .zip file to the mainframe, and then 4) ...here's where I bog down. Is there a mainframe utility that can read .zip files? And if there is (I never dreamt that), maybe I actually bog down at step 3: Do I do the transfer in text or binary? Are you sure you're not just having me on? Even if you are, it suddenly occurs to me that there's a PC-based utility that handles XMIT files, and I think I have a copy left over from an old project. I can bundle them all up in a XMIT file, copy that to the host, then RECEIVE it there. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Every contrition for sin is apt to encourage a not-quite-charitable wish that other people should exhibit a similar contrition. -Charles Williams (1886-1945) */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:34 Why not zip them and do a single transfer of the zip file, then unzip them? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:20 AM Sometimes all that's allowed, though. Some of my clients lock up FTP, and make me use IND$FILE via whatever local 3270 emulation they use. This can be a major pain. Whenever I start at a new installation, one of my first jobs is to load up a bunch of REXX tools I've written over the years. If I have to do them one at a time, it's a big bottleneck. Most apps of that sort allow you to set up a list of files - but you have to enter the list manually, one by one, providing the filename on your PC and the target DSN on the mainframe, so it's not saving anything (and is a one-time job, after all). Last time I had to deal with it I reverse-engineered the format used for multi-file transfers and had VBA create a longer list for me. I felt a fine, self-congratulatory glow at having hacked the system, but really, it shouldn't have been necessary. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 23:39 Also slower than a dog, and if you are working for the security folks, basically unaudited. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:05 PM I have painfully experienced instances where IND$FILE (on z/VM) mangled a Binary Upload from my MS-Windows 10 Pro workstation. It works every time I use FTP, though (via CLI or WinSCP). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
> pax -w that UNIX directory with option to convert to ASCII Thats likely to break his file, depending on what characters he uses. The safes thing is to translate to UTF-8. I hate 8-bit code pages! -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Paul Gilmartin [000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 2:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:34:28 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: >Wha...? I might have misunderstood you, but it sounds like you're saying I >can 1) collect all the REXX execs I want to transfer to the mainframe, 2) >ZIP them up (using PKZIP or WinZIP or 7-ZIP or whatever), 3) IND$FILE the >.zip file to the mainframe, and then 4) ...here's where I bog down. Is >there a mainframe utility that can read .zip files? > jar. Do you need them extracted on the desktop? o No: Collect them in a PDS TSO TRANSMIT OUTFILE(...) transfer *binary* directly or with desktop waystation to target z/OS Extract with TSO RECEIVE INFILE(...) o Yes: - collect them in a PDS - OPUTX or CP to a UNIX directory Or: - collect them in a UNIX directory pax -w that UNIX directory with option to convert to ASCII transfer *binary* to desktop Extract pax with WinZip or such transfer pax archive *binary* to zOS target pax -r that archive with option to convert to EBCDIC (I hate EBCDIC!) >And if there is (I never dreamt that), maybe I actually bog down at step 3: >Do I do the transfer in text or binary? > >Are you sure you're not just having me on? > ??? >Even if you are, it suddenly occurs to me that there's a PC-based utility >that handles XMIT files, and I think I have a copy left over from an old >project. I can bundle them all up in a XMIT file, copy that to the host, >then RECEIVE it there. > More likely extract than pack. try CBTTAPE. Might be useful (I'm not afflicted with Windows; this is mere hearsay): http://secure-web.cisco.com/1zrulqhYyXaVJGDe61TQjfw7zrq6E4Q4tzIo9qVxUxYacm_oGqlQzwGLtz86NZrh0a4oPiP6PpYqDSxtMo1FKxItk5V5Yzqt14l3fjq4IHCX5qXXdCwPHT8z6zhiAW-QLWvHiH2dqWfR5VKi2B_o_3V6ABPY1bBwU3Fsoe8Gidyx0vvzVr93pfwApYWgjbzsl7SACKIsfz1l-SCOTVNSgHiZVpGSbWPfSyNwOReiU4pKqTTVOaX8UTmLntlrW3IMp56dnd9sA_XrihRMiETVIRwSoOb3nZN_mMPEKT8M2ZH5W0neI4yY_CEew0KAmijdaycjit-RNYY4l-87UcdgNmAfOx0tvndsJ3qNCX3-w3vuLEQeo1rbD-KVVvhKdPxUbimXFrUroOuV8uNaQ_OLuCTEICV7HmTQyxsmbox6EDlxlGYVtvT2-eNGlOBvedTXF/http%3A%2F%2Fplanetmvs.com%2Funxmit%2F >-Original Message- >From: Seymour J Metz >Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:34 > >Why not zip them and do a single transfer of the zip file, then unzip them? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
Z/Explorer is free, I think based on discussions with others part of the base @ 2.4 level. it can be installed independently. My CICS SYSPROG told me they needed it for CICS Explorer, so I ordered and installed it on my 2.2 system - @ now I have it on my 2.3 systems the product name in the samplib I have is IBM Explorer for z/OS FMID(HALG320) Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:38:07 PM Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Looks like my confusion is I don't seem to actually have z/OS Explorer, but rather the "z/OS view" of IBM Problem Determination Tools Studio. I guess they are not the same thing. Is z/OS Explorer, including the server/host side of the product truly no-cost? If so I guess I could ask for it to be installed. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 12:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access okay, understand, FEK is the HLQ for zexplorer, but yes a sysprog would need to install it if not installed, configure and setup the security or have the secadmin do the security. Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:20:14 PM Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access I'm not a sysprog so I can't configure anything myself. I don't that we have an SFEK* set of libraries on the system currently. The documentation I've just now looked at seems to indicate this is part of IBM Developer/Rational Developer for z/OS. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 12:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access >From what I recall, I don't have any doc at home, the configuration is done >using the FEF.SFEKSAMP library for the RSED address space. the Unix part located in /usr/lpp/IBM/zexpl contains some environmental and configuration files it was not hard to setup and once the client is installed you get one view of your workstation MVS and USS files, TSO command window and a USS window to run scripts File 755 2020-02-20 11:49 CPV8281 1387 ISPF.conf File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 2916 process_audit.rex File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 2187 process_logon.sh File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 324 pushtoclient.properties File 755 2020-02-20 11:49 CPV8281 7844 rse.env File 755 2020-02-20 11:49 CPV8281 308 rsecomm.properties File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 294 ssl.properties Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 12:52:18 PM Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Looks like some of this might be part of the "Remote System Explorer" perspective, which I don't see to have configured. Does this require z/OS configuration? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 6:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access the FMID is (HALG320) the GUI client is Aqua explorer for zos, IIRC I currently do not have the GUI client on the loaner laptop I'm using at home so I cannot be 100% sure Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 5:29:58 PM Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Hey Carmen, Is that z/OS Explorer (free) or is that IBM Developer (formerly Rational Developer -- expensive) for Z that you are referring to? I know that z/OS Explorer uses FTP under the covers, but I've not seen it having a normal drag and drop style FTP GUI, or have I seen an ability to run shell scripts or TSO commands. Perhaps I'm overlooking some things. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access I've always liked the reflections FTP client, I've not been able to use any other client, but I am not starting to use IBM's Z/explorer , that GUI along with an MVS address space will get you MVS dataset, USS filesystem, local fileystems access plus the ability to run shell scripts, and tso command from the GUI moving or coping datasets can be done using a drag and drop. Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 1:09:55 PM Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access What F
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
Looks like my confusion is I don't seem to actually have z/OS Explorer, but rather the "z/OS view" of IBM Problem Determination Tools Studio. I guess they are not the same thing. Is z/OS Explorer, including the server/host side of the product truly no-cost? If so I guess I could ask for it to be installed. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 12:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access okay, understand, FEK is the HLQ for zexplorer, but yes a sysprog would need to install it if not installed, configure and setup the security or have the secadmin do the security. Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:20:14 PM Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access I'm not a sysprog so I can't configure anything myself. I don't that we have an SFEK* set of libraries on the system currently. The documentation I've just now looked at seems to indicate this is part of IBM Developer/Rational Developer for z/OS. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 12:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access From what I recall, I don't have any doc at home, the configuration is done using the FEF.SFEKSAMP library for the RSED address space. the Unix part located in /usr/lpp/IBM/zexpl contains some environmental and configuration files it was not hard to setup and once the client is installed you get one view of your workstation MVS and USS files, TSO command window and a USS window to run scripts File 755 2020-02-20 11:49 CPV8281 1387 ISPF.conf File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 2916 process_audit.rex File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 2187 process_logon.sh File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 324 pushtoclient.properties File 755 2020-02-20 11:49 CPV8281 7844 rse.env File 755 2020-02-20 11:49 CPV8281 308 rsecomm.properties File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 294 ssl.properties Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 12:52:18 PM Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Looks like some of this might be part of the "Remote System Explorer" perspective, which I don't see to have configured. Does this require z/OS configuration? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 6:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access the FMID is (HALG320) the GUI client is Aqua explorer for zos, IIRC I currently do not have the GUI client on the loaner laptop I'm using at home so I cannot be 100% sure Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 5:29:58 PM Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Hey Carmen, Is that z/OS Explorer (free) or is that IBM Developer (formerly Rational Developer -- expensive) for Z that you are referring to? I know that z/OS Explorer uses FTP under the covers, but I've not seen it having a normal drag and drop style FTP GUI, or have I seen an ability to run shell scripts or TSO commands. Perhaps I'm overlooking some things. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access I've always liked the reflections FTP client, I've not been able to use any other client, but I am not starting to use IBM's Z/explorer , that GUI along with an MVS address space will get you MVS dataset, USS filesystem, local fileystems access plus the ability to run shell scripts, and tso command from the GUI moving or coping datasets can be done using a drag and drop. Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 1:09:55 PM Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is primarily a TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO)
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:34 PM Bob Bridges wrote:
> Wha...? I might have misunderstood you, but it sounds like you're saying I
> can 1) collect all the REXX execs I want to transfer to the mainframe, 2)
> ZIP them up (using PKZIP or WinZIP or 7-ZIP or whatever), 3) IND$FILE the
> .zip file to the mainframe, and then 4) ...here's where I bog down. Is
> there a mainframe utility that can read .zip files?
>
The Java "jar" command can read & write zip files. That's because a jar
file is just a zip file of a directory with a specific format of what the
names are.
>
> And if there is (I never dreamt that), maybe I actually bog down at step 3:
> Do I do the transfer in text or binary?
>
always transfer zip (or jar) files in BINARY. I would guess that the "text"
(REXX) files extracted would be in ASCII (most likely the Windows-1250, but
some might actually be UTF-8). So you'd likely need to use the z/OS UNIX
"iconv" command (or some equivalent) to translate the text into some EBCDIC
code page. The two main ones are the "legacy" CP-037, which is what I think
of as the "JCL" code page & the IBM-1047 code page which is the "z/OS UNIX"
code page as well as the one which I think is the C language default. The
main differences are in the "funny" character such as: { } [ ] | which are
heavily used in C & UNIX.
All answers are given with a 110% money back guarantee of correctness (and
110% of nothing is still nothing). {grin}
Me being me, I'd just use the Co:Z products at
http://dovetail.com/products/dspipes.html They are free to use. You can get
a support contract.
>
> Are you sure you're not just having me on?
>
> Even if you are, it suddenly occurs to me that there's a PC-based utility
> that handles XMIT files, and I think I have a copy left over from an old
> project. I can bundle them all up in a XMIT file, copy that to the host,
> then RECEIVE it there.
>
> ---
> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
>
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Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
okay, understand, FEK is the HLQ for zexplorer, but yes a sysprog would need to install it if not installed, configure and setup the security or have the secadmin do the security. Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:20:14 PM Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access I'm not a sysprog so I can't configure anything myself. I don't that we have an SFEK* set of libraries on the system currently. The documentation I've just now looked at seems to indicate this is part of IBM Developer/Rational Developer for z/OS. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 12:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access >From what I recall, I don't have any doc at home, the configuration is done >using the FEF.SFEKSAMP library for the RSED address space. the Unix part located in /usr/lpp/IBM/zexpl contains some environmental and configuration files it was not hard to setup and once the client is installed you get one view of your workstation MVS and USS files, TSO command window and a USS window to run scripts File 755 2020-02-20 11:49 CPV8281 1387 ISPF.conf File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 2916 process_audit.rex File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 2187 process_logon.sh File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 324 pushtoclient.properties File 755 2020-02-20 11:49 CPV8281 7844 rse.env File 755 2020-02-20 11:49 CPV8281 308 rsecomm.properties File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 294 ssl.properties Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 12:52:18 PM Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Looks like some of this might be part of the "Remote System Explorer" perspective, which I don't see to have configured. Does this require z/OS configuration? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 6:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access the FMID is (HALG320) the GUI client is Aqua explorer for zos, IIRC I currently do not have the GUI client on the loaner laptop I'm using at home so I cannot be 100% sure Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 5:29:58 PM Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Hey Carmen, Is that z/OS Explorer (free) or is that IBM Developer (formerly Rational Developer -- expensive) for Z that you are referring to? I know that z/OS Explorer uses FTP under the covers, but I've not seen it having a normal drag and drop style FTP GUI, or have I seen an ability to run shell scripts or TSO commands. Perhaps I'm overlooking some things. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access I've always liked the reflections FTP client, I've not been able to use any other client, but I am not starting to use IBM's Z/explorer , that GUI along with an MVS address space will get you MVS dataset, USS filesystem, local fileystems access plus the ability to run shell scripts, and tso command from the GUI moving or coping datasets can be done using a drag and drop. Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 1:09:55 PM Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is primarily a TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called CuteFTP. Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS friendly"? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:34:28 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: >Wha...? I might have misunderstood you, but it sounds like you're saying I >can 1) collect all the REXX execs I want to transfer to the mainframe, 2) >ZIP them up (using PKZIP or WinZIP or 7-ZIP or whatever), 3) IND$FILE the >.zip file to the mainframe, and then 4) ...here's where I bog down. Is >there a mainframe utility that can read .zip files? > jar. Do you need them extracted on the desktop? o No: Collect them in a PDS TSO TRANSMIT OUTFILE(...) transfer *binary* directly or with desktop waystation to target z/OS Extract with TSO RECEIVE INFILE(...) o Yes: - collect them in a PDS - OPUTX or CP to a UNIX directory Or: - collect them in a UNIX directory pax -w that UNIX directory with option to convert to ASCII transfer *binary* to desktop Extract pax with WinZip or such transfer pax archive *binary* to zOS target pax -r that archive with option to convert to EBCDIC (I hate EBCDIC!) >And if there is (I never dreamt that), maybe I actually bog down at step 3: >Do I do the transfer in text or binary? > >Are you sure you're not just having me on? > ??? >Even if you are, it suddenly occurs to me that there's a PC-based utility >that handles XMIT files, and I think I have a copy left over from an old >project. I can bundle them all up in a XMIT file, copy that to the host, >then RECEIVE it there. > More likely extract than pack. try CBTTAPE. Might be useful (I'm not afflicted with Windows; this is mere hearsay): http://planetmvs.com/unxmit/ >-Original Message- >From: Seymour J Metz >Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:34 > >Why not zip them and do a single transfer of the zip file, then unzip them? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
I'm not a sysprog so I can't configure anything myself. I don't that we have an SFEK* set of libraries on the system currently. The documentation I've just now looked at seems to indicate this is part of IBM Developer/Rational Developer for z/OS. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 12:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access From what I recall, I don't have any doc at home, the configuration is done using the FEF.SFEKSAMP library for the RSED address space. the Unix part located in /usr/lpp/IBM/zexpl contains some environmental and configuration files it was not hard to setup and once the client is installed you get one view of your workstation MVS and USS files, TSO command window and a USS window to run scripts File 755 2020-02-20 11:49 CPV8281 1387 ISPF.conf File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 2916 process_audit.rex File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 2187 process_logon.sh File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 324 pushtoclient.properties File 755 2020-02-20 11:49 CPV8281 7844 rse.env File 755 2020-02-20 11:49 CPV8281 308 rsecomm.properties File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 294 ssl.properties Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 12:52:18 PM Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Looks like some of this might be part of the "Remote System Explorer" perspective, which I don't see to have configured. Does this require z/OS configuration? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 6:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access the FMID is (HALG320) the GUI client is Aqua explorer for zos, IIRC I currently do not have the GUI client on the loaner laptop I'm using at home so I cannot be 100% sure Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 5:29:58 PM Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Hey Carmen, Is that z/OS Explorer (free) or is that IBM Developer (formerly Rational Developer -- expensive) for Z that you are referring to? I know that z/OS Explorer uses FTP under the covers, but I've not seen it having a normal drag and drop style FTP GUI, or have I seen an ability to run shell scripts or TSO commands. Perhaps I'm overlooking some things. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access I've always liked the reflections FTP client, I've not been able to use any other client, but I am not starting to use IBM's Z/explorer , that GUI along with an MVS address space will get you MVS dataset, USS filesystem, local fileystems access plus the ability to run shell scripts, and tso command from the GUI moving or coping datasets can be done using a drag and drop. Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 1:09:55 PM Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is primarily a TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called CuteFTP. Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS friendly"? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
>From what I recall, I don't have any doc at home, the configuration is done >using the FEF.SFEKSAMP library for the RSED address space. the Unix part located in /usr/lpp/IBM/zexpl contains some environmental and configuration files it was not hard to setup and once the client is installed you get one view of your workstation MVS and USS files, TSO command window and a USS window to run scripts File 755 2020-02-20 11:49 CPV8281 1387 ISPF.conf File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 2916 process_audit.rex File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 2187 process_logon.sh File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 324 pushtoclient.properties File 755 2020-02-20 11:49 CPV8281 7844 rse.env File 755 2020-02-20 11:49 CPV8281 308 rsecomm.properties File 755 2020-02-20 11:50 CPV8281 294 ssl.properties Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 12:52:18 PM Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Looks like some of this might be part of the "Remote System Explorer" perspective, which I don't see to have configured. Does this require z/OS configuration? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 6:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access the FMID is (HALG320) the GUI client is Aqua explorer for zos, IIRC I currently do not have the GUI client on the loaner laptop I'm using at home so I cannot be 100% sure Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 5:29:58 PM Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Hey Carmen, Is that z/OS Explorer (free) or is that IBM Developer (formerly Rational Developer -- expensive) for Z that you are referring to? I know that z/OS Explorer uses FTP under the covers, but I've not seen it having a normal drag and drop style FTP GUI, or have I seen an ability to run shell scripts or TSO commands. Perhaps I'm overlooking some things. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access I've always liked the reflections FTP client, I've not been able to use any other client, but I am not starting to use IBM's Z/explorer , that GUI along with an MVS address space will get you MVS dataset, USS filesystem, local fileystems access plus the ability to run shell scripts, and tso command from the GUI moving or coping datasets can be done using a drag and drop. Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 1:09:55 PM Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is primarily a TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called CuteFTP. Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS friendly"? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
Looks like some of this might be part of the "Remote System Explorer" perspective, which I don't see to have configured. Does this require z/OS configuration? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 6:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access the FMID is (HALG320) the GUI client is Aqua explorer for zos, IIRC I currently do not have the GUI client on the loaner laptop I'm using at home so I cannot be 100% sure Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 5:29:58 PM Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Hey Carmen, Is that z/OS Explorer (free) or is that IBM Developer (formerly Rational Developer -- expensive) for Z that you are referring to? I know that z/OS Explorer uses FTP under the covers, but I've not seen it having a normal drag and drop style FTP GUI, or have I seen an ability to run shell scripts or TSO commands. Perhaps I'm overlooking some things. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access I've always liked the reflections FTP client, I've not been able to use any other client, but I am not starting to use IBM's Z/explorer , that GUI along with an MVS address space will get you MVS dataset, USS filesystem, local fileystems access plus the ability to run shell scripts, and tso command from the GUI moving or coping datasets can be done using a drag and drop. Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 1:09:55 PM Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is primarily a TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called CuteFTP. Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS friendly"? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
Java jar command can also handle .zip files Jerry Whitteridge Delivery Manager / Mainframe Architect GTS - Safeway Account 602 527 4871 Mobile jerry.whitteri...@ibm.com IBM Services IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 06/18/2020 10:45:22 AM: > From: "Jackson, Rob" > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date: 06/18/2020 10:45 AM > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > PKWare for not-free. Unzip from rocket for free. Probably others. > > First Horizon Bank > Mainframe Technical Support > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Bob Bridges > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:34 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access > > [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] > > Wha...? I might have misunderstood you, but it sounds like you're > saying I can 1) collect all the REXX execs I want to transfer to the > mainframe, 2) ZIP them up (using PKZIP or WinZIP or 7-ZIP or > whatever), 3) IND$FILE the .zip file to the mainframe, and then 4) > ...here's where I bog down. Is there a mainframe utility that can > read .zip files? > > And if there is (I never dreamt that), maybe I actually bog down at step 3: > Do I do the transfer in text or binary? > > Are you sure you're not just having me on? > > Even if you are, it suddenly occurs to me that there's a PC-based > utility that handles XMIT files, and I think I have a copy left over > from an old project. I can bundle them all up in a XMIT file, copy > that to the host, then RECEIVE it there. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* Every contrition for sin is apt to encourage a not-quite- > charitable wish that other people should exhibit a similar > contrition. -Charles Williams > (1886-1945) */ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > ] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:34 > > Why not zip them and do a single transfer of the zip file, then unzip them? > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:20 AM > > Sometimes all that's allowed, though. Some of my clients lock up > FTP, and make me use IND$FILE via whatever local 3270 emulation they use. > > This can be a major pain. Whenever I start at a new installation, > one of my first jobs is to load up a bunch of REXX tools I've > written over the years. > If I have to do them one at a time, it's a big bottleneck. Most > apps of that sort allow you to set up a list of files - but you have > to enter the list manually, one by one, providing the filename on > your PC and the target DSN on the mainframe, so it's not saving > anything (and is a one-time job, after all). Last time I had to > deal with it I reverse-engineered the format used for multi-file > transfers and had VBA create a longer list for me. I felt a fine, > self-congratulatory glow at having hacked the system, but really, it > shouldn't have been necessary. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > ] On Behalf Of Charles Mills > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 23:39 > > Also slower than a dog, and if you are working for the security > folks, basically unaudited. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > ] On Behalf Of David Spiegel > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:05 PM > > I have painfully experienced instances where IND$FILE (on z/VM) > mangled a Binary Upload from my MS-Windows 10 Pro workstation. > It works every time I use FTP, though (via CLI or WinSCP). > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > Confidentiality notice: > This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally > privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the > intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for > delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are > hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of > this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and > delete this e-mail message from your computer. > >
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
The last I heard, there was an MVS build of Info-Zip. There are probably other options. I don't know of any 7z on MVS. I'm not saying that there isn't a program, just that I don't know of one. The transfer of an, e.g., zip, gz, 7z, file should always be binary. > Are you sure you're not just having me on? I meant what I said and I said what I meant A sysprog is faithful, 100%. From Horton Hears An IPL by Dr. Seus I may make puns and have a whimsical sense of humor, but I don't generally send people down blind alleys. I may make an exception for telesolicitors seeking money on behalf of bullying, cheating and lying politicians. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Wha...? I might have misunderstood you, but it sounds like you're saying I can 1) collect all the REXX execs I want to transfer to the mainframe, 2) ZIP them up (using PKZIP or WinZIP or 7-ZIP or whatever), 3) IND$FILE the .zip file to the mainframe, and then 4) ...here's where I bog down. Is there a mainframe utility that can read .zip files? And if there is (I never dreamt that), maybe I actually bog down at step 3: Do I do the transfer in text or binary? Are you sure you're not just having me on? Even if you are, it suddenly occurs to me that there's a PC-based utility that handles XMIT files, and I think I have a copy left over from an old project. I can bundle them all up in a XMIT file, copy that to the host, then RECEIVE it there. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Every contrition for sin is apt to encourage a not-quite-charitable wish that other people should exhibit a similar contrition. -Charles Williams (1886-1945) */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:34 Why not zip them and do a single transfer of the zip file, then unzip them? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:20 AM Sometimes all that's allowed, though. Some of my clients lock up FTP, and make me use IND$FILE via whatever local 3270 emulation they use. This can be a major pain. Whenever I start at a new installation, one of my first jobs is to load up a bunch of REXX tools I've written over the years. If I have to do them one at a time, it's a big bottleneck. Most apps of that sort allow you to set up a list of files - but you have to enter the list manually, one by one, providing the filename on your PC and the target DSN on the mainframe, so it's not saving anything (and is a one-time job, after all). Last time I had to deal with it I reverse-engineered the format used for multi-file transfers and had VBA create a longer list for me. I felt a fine, self-congratulatory glow at having hacked the system, but really, it shouldn't have been necessary. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 23:39 Also slower than a dog, and if you are working for the security folks, basically unaudited. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:05 PM I have painfully experienced instances where IND$FILE (on z/VM) mangled a Binary Upload from my MS-Windows 10 Pro workstation. It works every time I use FTP, though (via CLI or WinSCP). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
PKWare for not-free. Unzip from rocket for free. Probably others. First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] Wha...? I might have misunderstood you, but it sounds like you're saying I can 1) collect all the REXX execs I want to transfer to the mainframe, 2) ZIP them up (using PKZIP or WinZIP or 7-ZIP or whatever), 3) IND$FILE the .zip file to the mainframe, and then 4) ...here's where I bog down. Is there a mainframe utility that can read .zip files? And if there is (I never dreamt that), maybe I actually bog down at step 3: Do I do the transfer in text or binary? Are you sure you're not just having me on? Even if you are, it suddenly occurs to me that there's a PC-based utility that handles XMIT files, and I think I have a copy left over from an old project. I can bundle them all up in a XMIT file, copy that to the host, then RECEIVE it there. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Every contrition for sin is apt to encourage a not-quite-charitable wish that other people should exhibit a similar contrition. -Charles Williams (1886-1945) */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:34 Why not zip them and do a single transfer of the zip file, then unzip them? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:20 AM Sometimes all that's allowed, though. Some of my clients lock up FTP, and make me use IND$FILE via whatever local 3270 emulation they use. This can be a major pain. Whenever I start at a new installation, one of my first jobs is to load up a bunch of REXX tools I've written over the years. If I have to do them one at a time, it's a big bottleneck. Most apps of that sort allow you to set up a list of files - but you have to enter the list manually, one by one, providing the filename on your PC and the target DSN on the mainframe, so it's not saving anything (and is a one-time job, after all). Last time I had to deal with it I reverse-engineered the format used for multi-file transfers and had VBA create a longer list for me. I felt a fine, self-congratulatory glow at having hacked the system, but really, it shouldn't have been necessary. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 23:39 Also slower than a dog, and if you are working for the security folks, basically unaudited. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:05 PM I have painfully experienced instances where IND$FILE (on z/VM) mangled a Binary Upload from my MS-Windows 10 Pro workstation. It works every time I use FTP, though (via CLI or WinSCP). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
I'll have to look more at this. Thanks. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 5:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Morning Frank, this is the Free Z/explorer I have installed Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 5:29:58 PM Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Hey Carmen, Is that z/OS Explorer (free) or is that IBM Developer (formerly Rational Developer -- expensive) for Z that you are referring to? I know that z/OS Explorer uses FTP under the covers, but I've not seen it having a normal drag and drop style FTP GUI, or have I seen an ability to run shell scripts or TSO commands. Perhaps I'm overlooking some things. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access I've always liked the reflections FTP client, I've not been able to use any other client, but I am not starting to use IBM's Z/explorer , that GUI along with an MVS address space will get you MVS dataset, USS filesystem, local fileystems access plus the ability to run shell scripts, and tso command from the GUI moving or coping datasets can be done using a drag and drop. Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 1:09:55 PM Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is primarily a TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called CuteFTP. Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS friendly"? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
Bob was complaining that copying individual files was awkward when he wasn't allowed to use FTP. When he's allowed to use FTP it would be easy to write a script. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 12:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access For things that I both want to deal with on z/OS as a "package" and on Windows as individual files, I just download them twice: once as individual members in ASCII and once as a TSO XMIT file. Biggest negative I guess is that if you were to edit one member on Windows you would have to remember to upload it individually after any RECEIVE. I tend to just use the ASCII members for reference: "How did I do that before?" I don't change them. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 9:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:34:04 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Why not zip them and do a single transfer of the zip file, then unzip them? > Or, package them with ... TSO TRANSMIT OUTFILE() ... and reload them with: TSO RECEIVE INFILE() ... for the entire content of a single PDS. If you need them unpacked on Windows, CBTTAPE may have a utility for that. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
Wha...? I might have misunderstood you, but it sounds like you're saying I can 1) collect all the REXX execs I want to transfer to the mainframe, 2) ZIP them up (using PKZIP or WinZIP or 7-ZIP or whatever), 3) IND$FILE the .zip file to the mainframe, and then 4) ...here's where I bog down. Is there a mainframe utility that can read .zip files? And if there is (I never dreamt that), maybe I actually bog down at step 3: Do I do the transfer in text or binary? Are you sure you're not just having me on? Even if you are, it suddenly occurs to me that there's a PC-based utility that handles XMIT files, and I think I have a copy left over from an old project. I can bundle them all up in a XMIT file, copy that to the host, then RECEIVE it there. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Every contrition for sin is apt to encourage a not-quite-charitable wish that other people should exhibit a similar contrition. -Charles Williams (1886-1945) */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:34 Why not zip them and do a single transfer of the zip file, then unzip them? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:20 AM Sometimes all that's allowed, though. Some of my clients lock up FTP, and make me use IND$FILE via whatever local 3270 emulation they use. This can be a major pain. Whenever I start at a new installation, one of my first jobs is to load up a bunch of REXX tools I've written over the years. If I have to do them one at a time, it's a big bottleneck. Most apps of that sort allow you to set up a list of files - but you have to enter the list manually, one by one, providing the filename on your PC and the target DSN on the mainframe, so it's not saving anything (and is a one-time job, after all). Last time I had to deal with it I reverse-engineered the format used for multi-file transfers and had VBA create a longer list for me. I felt a fine, self-congratulatory glow at having hacked the system, but really, it shouldn't have been necessary. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 23:39 Also slower than a dog, and if you are working for the security folks, basically unaudited. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:05 PM I have painfully experienced instances where IND$FILE (on z/VM) mangled a Binary Upload from my MS-Windows 10 Pro workstation. It works every time I use FTP, though (via CLI or WinSCP). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
For things that I both want to deal with on z/OS as a "package" and on Windows as individual files, I just download them twice: once as individual members in ASCII and once as a TSO XMIT file. Biggest negative I guess is that if you were to edit one member on Windows you would have to remember to upload it individually after any RECEIVE. I tend to just use the ASCII members for reference: "How did I do that before?" I don't change them. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 9:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:34:04 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Why not zip them and do a single transfer of the zip file, then unzip them? > Or, package them with ... TSO TRANSMIT OUTFILE() ... and reload them with: TSO RECEIVE INFILE() ... for the entire content of a single PDS. If you need them unpacked on Windows, CBTTAPE may have a utility for that. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:34:04 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Why not zip them and do a single transfer of the zip file, then unzip them? > Or, package them with ... TSO TRANSMIT OUTFILE() ... and reload them with: TSO RECEIVE INFILE() ... for the entire content of a single PDS. If you need them unpacked on Windows, CBTTAPE may have a utility for that. (I keep mine in HFS and use pax.) > >From: Bob Bridges >Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:20 AM > >This can be a major pain. Whenever I start at a new installation, one of my >first jobs is to load up a bunch of REXX tools I've written over the years. >If I have to do them one at a time, it's a big bottleneck. Most apps of that >sort allow you to set up a list of files - but you have to enter the list >manually, one by one, providing the filename on your PC and the target DSN on >the mainframe, so it's not saving anything (and is a one-time job, after all). > Last time I had to deal with it I reverse-engineered the format used for >multi-file transfers and had VBA create a longer list for me. I felt a fine, >self-congratulatory glow at having hacked the system, but really, it shouldn't >have been necessary. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
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someone to expect that he can run an old DOS application in it, which he can
only do in certain versions of windoze. I know that m$ wanted to kill that asd
part of killing off the 32-bit API; I don't know whether they had to back off
from that position.
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I'm an old guy. (Maybe a lot of us are.) I still call it "the DOS window" in
my head, I think because I predate Win 3.1; for a long time I was a plain DOS
user (the PC DOS, not the early mainframe DOS). Win 3.1 wasn't really a
Windows operating system as it's understood now; DOS was the OS, and Win 3.1
sat on top of it as ISPF sits on top of TSO, providing a user interface.
So for quite a while I did a lot of work in "the DOS window" even after Windows
was around. Still do, from time to time, when I want a particular kind of file
listing ("dir xyz*.docx>x.txt") or file rename. Or (non-encrypted) FTP.
Yeah, I meant what I guess is now cmd.exe
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Is "DOS" the same as "cmd.exe"? The latter seems clearer.
--- On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:58:07 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>No flames from me but Windows "DOS" FTP has no TLS support -- is that not
>right?
>
>Not needed in every situation but required in some.
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Why not zip them and do a single transfer of the zip file, then unzip them? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:20 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Sometimes all that's allowed, though. Some of my clients lock up FTP, and make me use IND$FILE via whatever local 3270 emulation they use. This can be a major pain. Whenever I start at a new installation, one of my first jobs is to load up a bunch of REXX tools I've written over the years. If I have to do them one at a time, it's a big bottleneck. Most apps of that sort allow you to set up a list of files - but you have to enter the list manually, one by one, providing the filename on your PC and the target DSN on the mainframe, so it's not saving anything (and is a one-time job, after all). Last time I had to deal with it I reverse-engineered the format used for multi-file transfers and had VBA create a longer list for me. I felt a fine, self-congratulatory glow at having hacked the system, but really, it shouldn't have been necessary. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Cats consent to love us. Dogs beg to love us. -Cathryn Michon, Grrl Genius */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 23:39 Also slower than a dog, and if you are working for the security folks, basically unaudited. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:05 PM I have painfully experienced instances where IND$FILE (on z/VM) mangled a Binary Upload from my MS-Windows 10 Pro workstation. It works every time I use FTP, though (via CLI or WinSCP). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
The SFTP and FTPS acronyms leave my head spinning. If I have it right today, WS_FTP does FTPS but not SFTP. In any event it does the one that is ordinary vanilla FTP but with the traffic secured by TLS-based encryption. It does not do the one that is a part of the SSH suite (or something like that) AFAIK. Not sure where SHA comes in. SHA is a hash, not encryption. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of CarlosM Martinez Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 8:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Does it DO SFTP with SHA-XXX support? Or is this product just FTP? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 10:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Yes, WS_FTP has no issue with PDSEs. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Does it DO SFTP with SHA-XXX support? Or is this product just FTP? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 10:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Yes, WS_FTP has no issue with PDSEs. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Edward Finnell Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access I've used WS_FTP for 20 yrs and it's got just about everything. Don't know about PDSE. Has auto for mode selection and gets it right most of the time. For PDS's does MGETs and MPUTs like a bat. Trial available at:https://www.ipswitch.com/ftp-client -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Yes, WS_FTP has no issue with PDSEs. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Edward Finnell Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access I've used WS_FTP for 20 yrs and it's got just about everything. Don't know about PDSE. Has auto for mode selection and gets it right most of the time. For PDS's does MGETs and MPUTs like a bat. Trial available at:https://www.ipswitch.com/ftp-client -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
the FMID is (HALG320) the GUI client is Aqua explorer for zos, IIRC I currently do not have the GUI client on the loaner laptop I'm using at home so I cannot be 100% sure Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 5:29:58 PM Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Hey Carmen, Is that z/OS Explorer (free) or is that IBM Developer (formerly Rational Developer -- expensive) for Z that you are referring to? I know that z/OS Explorer uses FTP under the covers, but I've not seen it having a normal drag and drop style FTP GUI, or have I seen an ability to run shell scripts or TSO commands. Perhaps I'm overlooking some things. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access I've always liked the reflections FTP client, I've not been able to use any other client, but I am not starting to use IBM's Z/explorer , that GUI along with an MVS address space will get you MVS dataset, USS filesystem, local fileystems access plus the ability to run shell scripts, and tso command from the GUI moving or coping datasets can be done using a drag and drop. Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 1:09:55 PM Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is primarily a TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called CuteFTP. Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS friendly"? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Morning Frank, this is the Free Z/explorer I have installed Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 5:29:58 PM Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Hey Carmen, Is that z/OS Explorer (free) or is that IBM Developer (formerly Rational Developer -- expensive) for Z that you are referring to? I know that z/OS Explorer uses FTP under the covers, but I've not seen it having a normal drag and drop style FTP GUI, or have I seen an ability to run shell scripts or TSO commands. Perhaps I'm overlooking some things. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access I've always liked the reflections FTP client, I've not been able to use any other client, but I am not starting to use IBM's Z/explorer , that GUI along with an MVS address space will get you MVS dataset, USS filesystem, local fileystems access plus the ability to run shell scripts, and tso command from the GUI moving or coping datasets can be done using a drag and drop. Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 1:09:55 PM Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is primarily a TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called CuteFTP. Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS friendly"? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I've used WS_FTP for 20 yrs and it's got just about everything. Don't know about PDSE. Has auto for mode selection and gets it right most of the time. For PDS's does MGETs and MPUTs like a bat. Trial available at:https://www.ipswitch.com/ftp-client In a message dated 6/17/2020 11:52:21 PM Central Standard Time, gib...@wsu.edu writes: Filezilla for non OMVS files. Not so good for OMVS filesystem data. Thing is, it used to work, then he broke it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Sometimes all that's allowed, though. Some of my clients lock up FTP, and make me use IND$FILE via whatever local 3270 emulation they use. This can be a major pain. Whenever I start at a new installation, one of my first jobs is to load up a bunch of REXX tools I've written over the years. If I have to do them one at a time, it's a big bottleneck. Most apps of that sort allow you to set up a list of files - but you have to enter the list manually, one by one, providing the filename on your PC and the target DSN on the mainframe, so it's not saving anything (and is a one-time job, after all). Last time I had to deal with it I reverse-engineered the format used for multi-file transfers and had VBA create a longer list for me. I felt a fine, self-congratulatory glow at having hacked the system, but really, it shouldn't have been necessary. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Cats consent to love us. Dogs beg to love us. -Cathryn Michon, Grrl Genius */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 23:39 Also slower than a dog, and if you are working for the security folks, basically unaudited. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:05 PM I have painfully experienced instances where IND$FILE (on z/VM) mangled a Binary Upload from my MS-Windows 10 Pro workstation. It works every time I use FTP, though (via CLI or WinSCP). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I experimented with that when I first became aware of it, but stopped using it for some reason. I liked very much the ability to use ISPF Edit on some PC files - and vice versa, sometimes - but for file transfer I thought it was 'way too slow. Is that not the case? --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* You know it's time to diet when... ...you dance and it makes the band skip. ...your driver's license photo says "Continued on other side". ...you are diagnosed with the flesh-eating virus and the doctor gives you only 22 years to live. */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Don Leahy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 21:59 For what it is worth, I prefer the file transfer features supported by the ISPF Workstation Agent. Performs well and is easy to automate using Rexx and ISPF services. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I'm an old guy. (Maybe a lot of us are.) I still call it "the DOS window" in
my head, I think because I predate Win 3.1; for a long time I was a plain DOS
user (the PC DOS, not the early mainframe DOS). Win 3.1 wasn't really a
Windows operating system as it's understood now; DOS was the OS, and Win 3.1
sat on top of it as ISPF sits on top of TSO, providing a user interface.
So for quite a while I did a lot of work in "the DOS window" even after Windows
was around. Still do, from time to time, when I want a particular kind of file
listing ("dir xyz*.docx>x.txt") or file rename. Or (non-encrypted) FTP.
Yeah, I meant what I guess is now cmd.exe
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Is "DOS" the same as "cmd.exe"? The latter seems clearer.
--- On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:58:07 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>No flames from me but Windows "DOS" FTP has no TLS support -- is that not
>right?
>
>Not needed in every situation but required in some.
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> Do tinyURLs track you? Probably. > I can't imagine what other business model they have. Advertising and paid, custom tiny URLs. If Gil wanted to be able to generate paul.gi/xx links, Bit.ly might be able to help you out for a fee. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 22:05:02 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: > >I have painfully experienced instances where IND$FILE (on z/VM) mangled >a Binary Upload from my MS-Windows 10 Pro workstation. >It works every time I use FTP, though (via CLI or WinSCP). > >On 2020-06-17 21:38, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >> >> ... ... On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 18:57:23 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >https://bit.ly/2YbqTGL > Do tinyURLs track you? I can't imagine what other business model they have. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Also slower than a dog, and if you are working for the security folks, basically unaudited. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Hi Gil, I have painfully experienced instances where IND$FILE (on z/VM) mangled a Binary Upload from my MS-Windows 10 Pro workstation. It works every time I use FTP, though (via CLI or WinSCP). Regards, David On 2020-06-17 21:38, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 20:29:08 -0500, Shawn Prenevost wrote: > >> I am pretty happy with Bluezone as a paid product (Not sure if the FTP >> client is free) has GUI and I helped a user script an FTP to the mainframe >> that stored their password in an encrypted session definition... In the >> past I was also happy to use windows command line FTP when I was allowed a >> non TLS encrypted connection into the mainframe. >> > If you have an encrypted tn3270 client, I'd expect you have > IND$FILE. But I'm less than sure the mainframe side supports zFS. > > -- gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I, too, like ISPF WSA for file transfer and editing PC files with ISPF Editor, However Our marvellous SysProgs have advised me that Z/OS 2.4 is the last release which will support WSA. I expect I will be retired before 2.5 comes along but I'd appreciate any guidance for a reliable alternative. Roger -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Don Leahy Sent: Thursday, 18 June 2020 1:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access For what it is worth, I prefer the file transfer features supported by the ISPF Workstation Agent. Performs well and is easy to automate using Rexx and ISPF services. On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 21:38 Paul Gilmartin < 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 20:29:08 -0500, Shawn Prenevost wrote: > > >I am pretty happy with Bluezone as a paid product (Not sure if the > >FTP client is free) has GUI and I helped a user script an FTP to the > >mainframe that stored their password in an encrypted session > >definition... In the past I was also happy to use windows command > >line FTP when I was allowed a non TLS encrypted connection into the > >mainframe. > > > If you have an encrypted tn3270 client, I'd expect you have > IND$FILE. But I'm less than sure the mainframe side supports zFS. > > -- gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Good planets are hard to find - please think of the environment before you print this email. CAUTION - This message may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error please notify Air New Zealand immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Air New Zealand. _ For more information on the Air New Zealand Group, visit us online at http://www.airnewzealand.com _ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 22:05:02 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: > >I have painfully experienced instances where IND$FILE (on z/VM) mangled >a Binary Upload from my MS-Windows 10 Pro workstation. >It works every time I use FTP, though (via CLI or WinSCP). > >On 2020-06-17 21:38, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >> >> ... ... On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 18:57:23 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >https://bit.ly/2YbqTGL > Do tinyURLs track you? I can't imagine what other business model they have. I sometimes post URLs of Google search results. I sanitize them first. I have a script for that. Regexen are marvelous! -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Hi Gil, I have painfully experienced instances where IND$FILE (on z/VM) mangled a Binary Upload from my MS-Windows 10 Pro workstation. It works every time I use FTP, though (via CLI or WinSCP). Regards, David On 2020-06-17 21:38, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 20:29:08 -0500, Shawn Prenevost wrote: I am pretty happy with Bluezone as a paid product (Not sure if the FTP client is free) has GUI and I helped a user script an FTP to the mainframe that stored their password in an encrypted session definition... In the past I was also happy to use windows command line FTP when I was allowed a non TLS encrypted connection into the mainframe. If you have an encrypted tn3270 client, I'd expect you have IND$FILE. But I'm less than sure the mainframe side supports zFS. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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For what it is worth, I prefer the file transfer features supported by the ISPF Workstation Agent. Performs well and is easy to automate using Rexx and ISPF services. On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 21:38 Paul Gilmartin < 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 20:29:08 -0500, Shawn Prenevost wrote: > > >I am pretty happy with Bluezone as a paid product (Not sure if the FTP > >client is free) has GUI and I helped a user script an FTP to the mainframe > >that stored their password in an encrypted session definition... In the > >past I was also happy to use windows command line FTP when I was allowed a > >non TLS encrypted connection into the mainframe. > > > If you have an encrypted tn3270 client, I'd expect you have > IND$FILE. But I'm less than sure the mainframe side supports zFS. > > -- gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
https://bit.ly/2YbqTGL Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 5:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:58:07 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >No flames from me but Windows "DOS" FTP has no TLS support -- is that not >right? > Is "DOS" the same as "cmd.exe"? The latter seems clearer. >Not needed in every situation but required in some. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 20:29:08 -0500, Shawn Prenevost wrote: >I am pretty happy with Bluezone as a paid product (Not sure if the FTP >client is free) has GUI and I helped a user script an FTP to the mainframe >that stored their password in an encrypted session definition... In the >past I was also happy to use windows command line FTP when I was allowed a >non TLS encrypted connection into the mainframe. > If you have an encrypted tn3270 client, I'd expect you have IND$FILE. But I'm less than sure the mainframe side supports zFS. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
I am pretty happy with Bluezone as a paid product (Not sure if the FTP client is free) has GUI and I helped a user script an FTP to the mainframe that stored their password in an encrypted session definition... In the past I was also happy to use windows command line FTP when I was allowed a non TLS encrypted connection into the mainframe. Shawn On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 7:33 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > DOS could really mean DOS (COMMAND.COM) executables, although I don't > know whether 10 supports them. More likely it's not actually a DOS > application but uses the API that started with NT and is called from > CMD.EXE.. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of Paul Gilmartin [000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:15 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access > > On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:58:07 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: > > >No flames from me but Windows "DOS" FTP has no TLS support -- is that not > >right? > > > Is "DOS" the same as "cmd.exe"? The latter seems clearer. > > >Not needed in every situation but required in some. > > -- gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
DOS could really mean DOS (COMMAND.COM) executables, although I don't know whether 10 supports them. More likely it's not actually a DOS application but uses the API that started with NT and is called from CMD.EXE.. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Paul Gilmartin [000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:58:07 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >No flames from me but Windows "DOS" FTP has no TLS support -- is that not >right? > Is "DOS" the same as "cmd.exe"? The latter seems clearer. >Not needed in every situation but required in some. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:58:07 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >No flames from me but Windows "DOS" FTP has no TLS support -- is that not >right? > Is "DOS" the same as "cmd.exe"? The latter seems clearer. >Not needed in every situation but required in some. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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No flames from me but Windows "DOS" FTP has no TLS support -- is that not right? Not needed in every situation but required in some. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 4:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access I know I'm inviting censorious and/or contemptuous lectures, but I've always been happy with using Windows FTP from my DOS window. I whipped up a decent .bat command that asks for me to enter my password (but doesn't save it afterward) and executes the commands I prepared ahead of time. What more can I want? (Clarification: Go ahead and let fly with the lectures both censorious and contemptuous; I'm likely to learn something interesting, probably even useful.) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I know I'm inviting censorious and/or contemptuous lectures, but I've always been happy with using Windows FTP from my DOS window. I whipped up a decent .bat command that asks for me to enter my password (but doesn't save it afterward) and executes the commands I prepared ahead of time. What more can I want? (Clarification: Go ahead and let fly with the lectures both censorious and contemptuous; I'm likely to learn something interesting, probably even useful.) --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* The road to the promised land runs past Sinai. The moral law may exist to be transcended; but there is no transcending it for those who have not first admitted its claim upon them, and then tried with all their strength to meet that claim, and fairly and squarely faced the fact of their failure. -C S Lewis, _The Problem of Pain_ */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 14:10 What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is primarily a TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called CuteFTP. Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS friendly"? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Yes! I pretty much need to have two different "hosts" defined for the same LPAR: one "MVS" and one "UNIX." This is in Ispwitch WS_FTP. (Only one FTP server STC on the LPAR.) Not a problem at all. I can open multiple host windows, so I can transfer a convention dataset one minute and a UNIX file the next minute. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access I don't know if this is your problem or not, but in FileZilla's Site Manager, I have two hosts defined for a few z/OS systems, one for MVS, and one for USS. The "server type" matters... "MVS..." vs. "Unix". -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Our whitelisting software blocks every execution of a BAT or CMD file as being possibly dangerous. Yikes! At least they allow us to use manual command line commands. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access +1 for CLI! -1 for corporate nannies who want to log every time you use a command prompt window because that is so dangerous for the masses . . . or maybe especially for programmers who *think* they know what they are doing . . . I use FileZilla, it has a few quirks but mostly it works for my limited and occasional needs. I fall back to the CLI version when all else fails. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jackson, Rob Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access My opinion, which is absolutely worthless: FileZilla sucks as a mainframe FTP client. BZ is far superior. If you don't need SSL/TLS (which, of course, you do), the "DOS" client is better than both. Who doesn't love a good ol' CLI? First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] I use Filezilla (Open Source) and Bluezone (now from Rocket) Both have their pluses and minuses. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:10 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access > > What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? > > I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly > Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being > an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is > primarily a > TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly > understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. > > On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are > "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. > They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called > CuteFTP. > > Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS > friendly"? -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I think I tried that, but will check again. Someday > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Steve Smith > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:44 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access > > I don't know if this is your problem or not, but in FileZilla's Site > Manager, I have two hosts defined for a few z/OS systems, one for MVS, and > one for USS. The "server type" matters... "MVS..." vs. "Unix". > > sas > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 6:13 PM Gibney, Dave wrote: > > > Filezilla for non OMVS files. Not so good for OMVS filesystem data. Thing > > is, it used to work, then he broke it. I prefer the Filezilla GUI, so I > > only use Bluezone when I need to. Recently, the delay o let me know that > > Rocket has acquired Bluezone has be slightly irritating. > > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
I just tried using WinSCP today and I couldn't get it to recognize MVS data sets. Is there some option I am missing? This might be ideal in that it, unlike the others already mentioned, is currently used in our environment so wouldn't require a lot of bureaucracy to just perform a POC. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jackson, Rob Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 1:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access WinSCP is decent; there are countless class libraries as well. I just enjoy the DOS CLI. Man, I wish they'd add encryption to it. First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] The devil is in the details. I want tools that work together. That includes the ability to mix and match CLI and GUI. I should be able to script the GUI in a decent language. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jackson, Rob [rwjack...@firsthorizon.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access My opinion, which is absolutely worthless: FileZilla sucks as a mainframe FTP client. BZ is far superior. If you don't need SSL/TLS (which, of course, you do), the "DOS" client is better than both. Who doesn't love a good ol' CLI? First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] I use Filezilla (Open Source) and Bluezone (now from Rocket) Both have their pluses and minuses. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:10 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access > > What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? > > I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly > Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being > an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is > primarily a > TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly > understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. > > On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are > "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. > They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called > CuteFTP. > > Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS > friendly"? > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
I don't know if this is your problem or not, but in FileZilla's Site Manager, I have two hosts defined for a few z/OS systems, one for MVS, and one for USS. The "server type" matters... "MVS..." vs. "Unix". sas On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 6:13 PM Gibney, Dave wrote: > Filezilla for non OMVS files. Not so good for OMVS filesystem data. Thing > is, it used to work, then he broke it. I prefer the Filezilla GUI, so I > only use Bluezone when I need to. Recently, the delay o let me know that > Rocket has acquired Bluezone has be slightly irritating. > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
My goodness, I absolutely agree that a command line interface is ideal. Which, because of no SSL/TLS support, as you say eliminates the Windows provided client. In the past the only good (and free) command line client I've found for Windows is MoveIt Freely. I used to use it extensively until my company implemented whitelisting (can I still say that?) software and I never bothered to get it approved. Ugh, I hate "security". If I find a good GUI FTP client that my coworkers would actually use I could go through the bother of getting it approved. Not sure if the company would be up for buying something because we already have something that kinda/sorta works. Back to command line, if we could have WSL activated on our workstations we could have all of the goodness of Linux command line tools. Including, I believe, SSL/TLS capable FTP client. I've never asked for it, but think about it often... From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jackson, Rob Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access My opinion, which is absolutely worthless: FileZilla sucks as a mainframe FTP client. BZ is far superior. If you don't need SSL/TLS (which, of course, you do), the "DOS" client is better than both. Who doesn't love a good ol' CLI? First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] I use Filezilla (Open Source) and Bluezone (now from Rocket) Both have their pluses and minuses. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:10 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access > > What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? > > I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly > Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being > an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is > primarily a > TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly > understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. > > On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are > "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. > They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called > CuteFTP. > > Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS > friendly"? > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
Hey Carmen, Is that z/OS Explorer (free) or is that IBM Developer (formerly Rational Developer -- expensive) for Z that you are referring to? I know that z/OS Explorer uses FTP under the covers, but I've not seen it having a normal drag and drop style FTP GUI, or have I seen an ability to run shell scripts or TSO commands. Perhaps I'm overlooking some things. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access I've always liked the reflections FTP client, I've not been able to use any other client, but I am not starting to use IBM's Z/explorer , that GUI along with an MVS address space will get you MVS dataset, USS filesystem, local fileystems access plus the ability to run shell scripts, and tso command from the GUI moving or coping datasets can be done using a drag and drop. Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 1:09:55 PM Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is primarily a TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called CuteFTP. Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS friendly"? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
Filezilla for non OMVS files. Not so good for OMVS filesystem data. Thing is, it used to work, then he broke it. I prefer the Filezilla GUI, so I only use Bluezone when I need to. Recently, the delay o let me know that Rocket has acquired Bluezone has be slightly irritating. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:43 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access > > +1 for CLI! > > -1 for corporate nannies who want to log every time you use a command > prompt window because that is so dangerous for the masses . . . or maybe > especially for programmers who *think* they know what they are doing . . . > > I use FileZilla, it has a few quirks but mostly it works for my limited and > occasional needs. I fall back to the CLI version when all else fails. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Jackson, Rob > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:49 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access > > My opinion, which is absolutely worthless: FileZilla sucks as a mainframe FTP > client. BZ is far superior. If you don't need SSL/TLS (which, of course, you > do), the "DOS" client is better than both. Who doesn't love a good ol' CLI? > > First Horizon Bank > Mainframe Technical Support > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Gibney, Dave > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:23 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access > > [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] > > I use Filezilla (Open Source) and Bluezone (now from Rocket) Both have their > pluses and minuses. > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick > > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:10 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access > > > > What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? > > > > I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly > > Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being > > an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is > > primarily a > > TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly > > understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. > > > > On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are > > "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. > > They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called > CuteFTP. > > > > Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS > > friendly"? > -- > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If > the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized > representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail > and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
+1 for CLI! -1 for corporate nannies who want to log every time you use a command prompt window because that is so dangerous for the masses . . . or maybe especially for programmers who *think* they know what they are doing . . . I use FileZilla, it has a few quirks but mostly it works for my limited and occasional needs. I fall back to the CLI version when all else fails. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jackson, Rob Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access My opinion, which is absolutely worthless: FileZilla sucks as a mainframe FTP client. BZ is far superior. If you don't need SSL/TLS (which, of course, you do), the "DOS" client is better than both. Who doesn't love a good ol' CLI? First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] I use Filezilla (Open Source) and Bluezone (now from Rocket) Both have their pluses and minuses. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:10 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access > > What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? > > I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly > Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being > an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is > primarily a > TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly > understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. > > On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are > "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. > They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called > CuteFTP. > > Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS > friendly"? -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Sorry, Gil, I should have been more explicit. WinSCP has a decent scripting facility. I wish they'd add encryption to the DOS FTP client. Also: not SCP; WinSCP. Quite a difference. First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 19:41:23 +, Jackson, Rob wrote: >WinSCP is decent; there are countless class libraries as well. I just enjoy >the DOS CLI. Man, I wish they'd add encryption to it. > Doesn't the "S" in "SCP" mean "Secure", therefore the transmission is encrypted. But: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_copy "outdated, inflexible and not readily fixed." -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 19:41:23 +, Jackson, Rob wrote: >WinSCP is decent; there are countless class libraries as well. I just enjoy >the DOS CLI. Man, I wish they'd add encryption to it. > Doesn't the "S" in "SCP" mean "Secure", therefore the transmission is encrypted. But: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_copy "outdated, inflexible and not readily fixed." -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
WinSCP is decent; there are countless class libraries as well. I just enjoy the DOS CLI. Man, I wish they'd add encryption to it. First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] The devil is in the details. I want tools that work together. That includes the ability to mix and match CLI and GUI. I should be able to script the GUI in a decent language. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jackson, Rob [rwjack...@firsthorizon.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access My opinion, which is absolutely worthless: FileZilla sucks as a mainframe FTP client. BZ is far superior. If you don't need SSL/TLS (which, of course, you do), the "DOS" client is better than both. Who doesn't love a good ol' CLI? First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] I use Filezilla (Open Source) and Bluezone (now from Rocket) Both have their pluses and minuses. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:10 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access > > What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? > > I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly > Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being > an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is > primarily a > TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly > understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. > > On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are > "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. > They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called > CuteFTP. > > Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS > friendly"? > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
You will get almost as many opinions as there are folks on this list. The question is a lot like "what is a good brand of car for weekend trips?" I use Ipswitch WS_FTP Professional. I have little experience with anything else for non-mainframe to mainframe access so I am fat, dumb and happy. It is "pure" GUI AFAIK, a Windows Explorer type interface. Perhaps there is also a CLI -- I don't know. Supports both "legacy" datasets and z UNIX files well enough to make me happy. I use the Windows free command line FTP client a tiny bit for one scripted application. Oh! And I use Ipswitch MOVEit Freely for one "embedded" application. It has some option that suited the particular application. It has the advantage that it is ... free. I use it CLI (actually, called from within a program) but for all I know it also has a GUI. I use both exclusively to access z/OS datasets and files from Windows. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
The devil is in the details. I want tools that work together. That includes the ability to mix and match CLI and GUI. I should be able to script the GUI in a decent language. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jackson, Rob [rwjack...@firsthorizon.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access My opinion, which is absolutely worthless: FileZilla sucks as a mainframe FTP client. BZ is far superior. If you don't need SSL/TLS (which, of course, you do), the "DOS" client is better than both. Who doesn't love a good ol' CLI? First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] I use Filezilla (Open Source) and Bluezone (now from Rocket) Both have their pluses and minuses. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:10 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access > > What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? > > I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly > Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being > an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is > primarily a > TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly > understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. > > On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are > "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. > They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called > CuteFTP. > > Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS > friendly"? > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
My opinion, which is absolutely worthless: FileZilla sucks as a mainframe FTP client. BZ is far superior. If you don't need SSL/TLS (which, of course, you do), the "DOS" client is better than both. Who doesn't love a good ol' CLI? First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] I use Filezilla (Open Source) and Bluezone (now from Rocket) Both have their pluses and minuses. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:10 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access > > What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? > > I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly > Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being > an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is > primarily a > TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly > understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. > > On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are > "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. > They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called > CuteFTP. > > Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS > friendly"? > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
'not starting to use' ===> 'now starting to use' ??? . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL I've always liked the reflections FTP client, I've not been able to use any other client, but I am not starting to use IBM's Z/explorer , that GUI along with an MVS address space will get you MVS dataset, USS filesystem, local fileystems access plus the ability to run shell scripts, and tso command from the GUI moving or coping datasets can be done using a drag and drop. Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 1:09:55 PM Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is primarily a TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called CuteFTP. Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS friendly"? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
correction :) I am NOW using... I've always liked the reflections FTP client, I've not been able to use any other client, but I am now starting to use IBM's Z/explorer , that GUI along with an MVS address space will get you MVS dataset, USS filesystem, local fileystems access plus the ability to run shell scripts, and tso command from the GUI moving or coping datasets can be done using a drag and drop. Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 1:09:55 PM Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is primarily a TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called CuteFTP. Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS friendly"? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
I've always liked the reflections FTP client, I've not been able to use any other client, but I am not starting to use IBM's Z/explorer , that GUI along with an MVS address space will get you MVS dataset, USS filesystem, local fileystems access plus the ability to run shell scripts, and tso command from the GUI moving or coping datasets can be done using a drag and drop. Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Frank Swarbrick" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 1:09:55 PM Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is primarily a TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called CuteFTP. Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS friendly"? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
Seagull (aka Blue Zone FTP) .. no longer supported but I think it's the best and still works on Windows 10 Also recommend FileZilla. Best Regards Paul -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick Sent: 17 June 2020 19:10 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access Caution! External email. Do not open attachments or click links, unless this email comes from a known sender and you know the content is safe. What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is primarily a TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called CuteFTP. Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS friendly"? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Atos and Canopy The Open Cloud Company are trading names used by the Atos group. The following trading entities are registered in England and Wales: Atos IT Services UK Limited (registered number 01245534) and Canopy The Open Cloud Company Limited (registration number 08011902). The registered office for each is at Second Floor, Mid City Place, 71 High Holborn, London, WC1V 6EA. The VAT No. for each is: GB232327983. This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and intended solely for the addressee, and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you receive this e-mail in error, you are not authorised to copy, disclose, use or retain it. Please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your systems. As emails may be intercepted, amended or lost, they are not secure. Atos therefore can accept no liability for any errors or their content. Although Atos endeavours to maintain a virus-free network, we do not warrant that this transmission is virus-free and can accept no liability for any damages resulting from any virus transmitted. The risks are deemed to be accepted by everyone who communicates with Atos by email. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
I use Filezilla (Open Source) and Bluezone (now from Rocket) Both have their pluses and minuses. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:10 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Good FTP client for MVS data set access > > What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? > > I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly > Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being an > application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is primarily > a > TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly > understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. > > On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are > "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. They are > stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called CuteFTP. > > Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS > friendly"? > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access
Filezilla works great for me. It handles MVS pretty well, mapping DSN nodes and PDSes to mostly act like directories. sas On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:10 PM Frank Swarbrick wrote: > What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Good FTP client for MVS data set access
What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being an application suite dedicated to mainframe access (the application is primarily a TN3270 client), the FTP Client that goes along with it seems to truly understand the idiosyncrasies of MVS and works quite well with it. On the other hand, only a limited number of users in our shop are "authorized" to use Reflection, so they cannot use its FTP client. They are stuck (currently) with an MVS hostile (IMO) application called CuteFTP. Are there any good "freestanding" FTP GUI applications that are "MVS friendly"? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
