Re: How display level of paging?

2019-11-05 Thread Mike Schwab
B real 30TB Paging. > > Implies 3:1 virtual to real. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Mike Schwab > Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 10:39 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: How display level of paging? >

Re: How display level of paging?

2019-11-05 Thread Allan Staller
10TB real 30TB Paging. Implies 3:1 virtual to real. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 10:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How display level of paging? 10TB real 30TB Paging. On Tue, Nov 5

Re: How display level of paging?

2019-11-05 Thread Mike Schwab
gt; > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Tom Marchant > Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 8:56 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: How display level of paging? > > On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 17:46:12 -0500, Tom Conle

Re: How display level of paging?

2019-11-05 Thread Allan Staller
, November 5, 2019 8:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How display level of paging? On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 17:46:12 -0500, Tom Conley wrote: >I posed this same question about 2 years ago. Then I was dealing with >an LPAR with 131GB, so I created a 400GB paging subsystem to hand

Re: How display level of paging?

2019-11-05 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 17:46:12 -0500, Tom Conley wrote: >I posed this same question about 2 years ago. Then I was dealing with >an LPAR with 131GB, so I created a 400GB paging subsystem to handle the >system. Others suggested SCM, but that was not in the budget. If the >10TB is truly fully utilize

Re: How display level of paging?

2019-11-04 Thread Tom Conley
On 11/4/2019 9:39 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 14:04:02 +, Allan Staller wrote: IBM has generally recommended 2:1 virtual to real storage. I have pushed this to 3:1 without major issues. The paging subsystem should be configured accordingly page slots approx. 3x available real

Re: How display level of paging?

2019-11-04 Thread Jousma, David
s, MI 49546 616.653.8429  |  fax: 616.653.2717 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Allan Staller Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 10:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How display level of paging? **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attach

Re: How display level of paging?

2019-11-04 Thread Allan Staller
f yore" is late 80's / early 90's. I have not heard about any updates to the IBM ROTs since then. YMMV, -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 8:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How di

Re: How display level of paging?

2019-11-04 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 14:04:02 +, Allan Staller wrote: >IBM has generally recommended 2:1 virtual to real storage. I have >pushed this to 3:1 without major issues. >The paging subsystem should be configured accordingly page slots >approx. 3x available real. > >If you are actually going to be d

Re: How display level of paging?

2019-11-04 Thread Allan Staller
or about 0.7 x. Tripling the read storage will result in X(/1.7) or about 0.6x HTH, -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 8:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How display level of paging? &qu

Re: How display level of paging?

2019-11-04 Thread Scott Chapman
>under our control, so mostly what we have is subjective: "it's really slow >today." > >Charles > > >-Original Message- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >Behalf Of Scott Chapman >Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 5:

Re: How display level of paging?

2019-11-03 Thread Charles Mills
Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Chapman Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 5:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How display level of paging? I'm not so sure that's practical and necessary for the large me

Re: How display level of paging?

2019-11-03 Thread Scott Chapman
I'm not so sure that's practical and necessary for the large memory systems that we have today. Last time I looked across a number of customers it was fairly common for LPARs with hundreds of GB of memory to have paging space < 1x memory. Sometimes much less. Those with Storage Class Memory we

Re: How display level of paging?

2019-11-02 Thread Mike Schwab
Paging packs should be a minimum of 3X real memory. 1 to back main memory, then another copy of both for a system dump. On Sat, Nov 2, 2019, 08:17 Charles Mills wrote: > Please forgive the basic question: I'm a product developer, not a sysprog. > > Two part question: > > 1. What command, panel

Re: How display level of paging?

2019-11-02 Thread Charles Mills
splay level of paging? 1) The RMFMON TSO command will have an option to look at paging rates at that instant in time. For anything else run batch RMF reports (with the appropriate options and data selection) for historical reports. 2) In 2019, I'd expect to have zero, or near zero paging

Re: How display level of paging?

2019-11-02 Thread Mark Jacobs
1) The RMFMON TSO command will have an option to look at paging rates at that instant in time. For anything else run batch RMF reports (with the appropriate options and data selection) for historical reports. 2) In 2019, I'd expect to have zero, or near zero paging rates. The local page dataset

How display level of paging?

2019-11-02 Thread Charles Mills
Please forgive the basic question: I'm a product developer, not a sysprog. Two part question: 1. What command, panel or report would show the level of paging in a z/OS system? Ideally I would like something that would show the instantaneous level and some sort of "period" level (yesterday, last w