Re: How to determine the Dataclas Used for a TAPE

2020-10-22 Thread Russell Witt
Lizette,

There is an option within CA 1 called SMS that can be set to EXT (EXTended).
This will store the SMS Management class in the TMC record at the
file-level. 

For Dataclas you would have to use the new (new with 14.0) TMOKEYxx member
and have the Dataclas stored at the volume level in the 50-byte user area.
You do not have to code any exit to do this, we support a dozen different
fields (DATACLAS, STORCLAS, creating USERID, creating SYSPLEX) that can be
optionally stored in the user-area without having to code an assembler exit.
Take a look at the documentation for TMOKEYxx. 

If you need further assistance with the TMOKEYxx member, feel free to
contact me at the office.

Russell Witt
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I am a little foggy on this

 

Is there a way with CA-1 or ISMF to determine what Dataclas a tape dataset
used?

 

I have various sizes of tape in my TS7700.  I am trying to see what dataclas
was used for a specific dataset

 

Thank you 

 

Lizette

 


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Re: How to determine the Dataclas Used for a TAPE

2020-10-22 Thread R.S.

Yes,
Data class is used for choosing tape parameters (MEDIAn, encryption, etc).

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W dniu 21.10.2020 o 01:08, Jackson, Rob pisze:

And yet it is for SMS-managed tape.  Tape does not have SMS-managed datasets.

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There can be several datasets on a tape volume. DATACLAS wouldn’t be a volume 
attribute


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On Oct 20, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Jackson, Rob 
wrote:

Are you sure?  I see LM DC: on my display; that's the construct
where size is

defined in the Library Manager.  Dataclass is definitely stored (I'd
guess in the VVDS, not sure honestly, but certainly in the LM for tape
volumes); check your dataset records in a DCOLLECT run . . . .
OK, but I don’t see that:


CBR1180I OAM tape volume status: FRAME LAST   F  E   SYS=V470
VOLUME  MEDIA STORAGE   LIBRARY   USE  W  C  SOFTWARE  LIBRARY
 TYPE  GROUP NAME  ATR  P  P  ERR STAT  CATEGORY
PL0009  MEDIA4DLMUTPUTXDLMP   PN  N  NOERROR   NONE
---
RECORDING TECH: 128 TRACKCOMPACTION: YES
SPECIAL ATTRIBUTE:  NONE ENTER/EJECT DATE:   2011-05-28
CREATION DATE:  2008-05-14   EXPIRATION DATE:2015-02-16
LAST MOUNTED DATE:  2015-01-17   LAST WRITTEN DATE:  2015-01-15
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Re: How to determine the Dataclas Used for a TAPE

2020-10-22 Thread R.S.

W dniu 20.10.2020 o 23:26, Pew, Curtis G pisze:

On Oct 20, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Jackson, Rob  wrote:

Tape dataclass is on the volume level.  You can use 'd sms,vol(vv)'.

That shows the storage group but not the dataclass.

I’m pretty sure DATACLAS, for both disk and tape, is used during ACS routines 
and allocation in general, but isn’t ever stored anywhere. It’s a place for the 
system to get information when allocating the dataset, but then it’s discarded.


No. For DASD datasets dataclass is stored in VVDS.
BTW: also MC and SC are recorded there. As well other "not related to 
VSAM" parameters.
And important: Dataclass *IS USED* after dataset is created. Especially 
for Dynamic Volume Count.


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Re: How to determine the Dataclas Used for a TAPE

2020-10-20 Thread Pew, Curtis G
On Oct 20, 2020, at 6:10 PM, Jackson, Rob  wrote:
> 
> Maybe because you're on a DLM.  It is a DLM, right?

We’re part-way through a migration from an antique TS35000 to a DLm.


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Re: How to determine the Dataclas Used for a TAPE

2020-10-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
z/OS Version 2 Release 4 DFSMS Implementing System-Managed Storage, 
SC23-6849-40, discusses SMS amanged tapes.


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And yet it is for SMS-managed tape.  Tape does not have SMS-managed datasets.

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There can be several datasets on a tape volume. DATACLAS wouldn’t be a volume 
attribute

> -Original Message-
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>
> On Oct 20, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Jackson, Rob 
> wrote:
> >
> > Are you sure?  I see LM DC: on my display; that's the construct
> > where size is
> defined in the Library Manager.  Dataclass is definitely stored (I'd
> guess in the VVDS, not sure honestly, but certainly in the LM for tape
> volumes); check your dataset records in a DCOLLECT run . . . .
> >
>
> OK, but I don’t see that:
>
>
> CBR1180I OAM tape volume status: FRAME LAST   F  E   SYS=V470
> VOLUME  MEDIA STORAGE   LIBRARY   USE  W  C  SOFTWARE  LIBRARY
> TYPE  GROUP NAME  ATR  P  P  ERR STAT  CATEGORY
> PL0009  MEDIA4DLMUTPUTXDLMP   PN  N  NOERROR   NONE
> ---
> RECORDING TECH: 128 TRACKCOMPACTION: YES
> SPECIAL ATTRIBUTE:  NONE ENTER/EJECT DATE:   2011-05-28
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Re: How to determine the Dataclas Used for a TAPE

2020-10-20 Thread Jackson, Rob
Well, that's weird indeed.  CBR1180I does not appear to be a variable-content 
message.  Maybe because you're on a DLM.  It is a DLM, right?

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On Oct 20, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Jackson, Rob  wrote:
>
> Are you sure?  I see LM DC: on my display; that's the construct where size is 
> defined in the Library Manager.  Dataclass is definitely stored (I'd guess in 
> the VVDS, not sure honestly, but certainly in the LM for tape volumes); check 
> your dataset records in a DCOLLECT run . . . .
>

OK, but I don’t see that:


CBR1180I OAM tape volume status: FRAME LAST   F  E   SYS=V470
VOLUME  MEDIA STORAGE   LIBRARY   USE  W  C  SOFTWARE  LIBRARY
TYPE  GROUP NAME  ATR  P  P  ERR STAT  CATEGORY
PL0009  MEDIA4DLMUTPUTXDLMP   PN  N  NOERROR   NONE
---
RECORDING TECH: 128 TRACKCOMPACTION: YES
SPECIAL ATTRIBUTE:  NONE ENTER/EJECT DATE:   2011-05-28
CREATION DATE:  2008-05-14   EXPIRATION DATE:2015-02-16
LAST MOUNTED DATE:  2015-01-17   LAST WRITTEN DATE:  2015-01-15
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Re: How to determine the Dataclas Used for a TAPE

2020-10-20 Thread Jackson, Rob
And yet it is for SMS-managed tape.  Tape does not have SMS-managed datasets.

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There can be several datasets on a tape volume. DATACLAS wouldn’t be a volume 
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> On Oct 20, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Jackson, Rob  
> wrote:
> >
> > Are you sure?  I see LM DC: on my display; that's the construct 
> > where size is
> defined in the Library Manager.  Dataclass is definitely stored (I'd 
> guess in the VVDS, not sure honestly, but certainly in the LM for tape 
> volumes); check your dataset records in a DCOLLECT run . . . .
> >
>
> OK, but I don’t see that:
>
>
> CBR1180I OAM tape volume status: FRAME LAST   F  E   SYS=V470
> VOLUME  MEDIA STORAGE   LIBRARY   USE  W  C  SOFTWARE  LIBRARY
> TYPE  GROUP NAME  ATR  P  P  ERR STAT  CATEGORY
> PL0009  MEDIA4DLMUTPUTXDLMP   PN  N  NOERROR   NONE
> ---
> RECORDING TECH: 128 TRACKCOMPACTION: YES
> SPECIAL ATTRIBUTE:  NONE ENTER/EJECT DATE:   2011-05-28
> CREATION DATE:  2008-05-14   EXPIRATION DATE:2015-02-16
> LAST MOUNTED DATE:  2015-01-17   LAST WRITTEN DATE:  2015-01-15
> SHELF LOCATION: DEST=UTXDLMP
> OWNER: DPCGP
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Re: How to determine the Dataclas Used for a TAPE

2020-10-20 Thread Gibney, Dave
There can be several datasets on a tape volume. DATACLAS wouldn’t be a volume 
attribute

> -Original Message-
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> 
> On Oct 20, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Jackson, Rob
>  wrote:
> >
> > Are you sure?  I see LM DC: on my display; that's the construct where size 
> > is
> defined in the Library Manager.  Dataclass is definitely stored (I'd guess in 
> the
> VVDS, not sure honestly, but certainly in the LM for tape volumes); check
> your dataset records in a DCOLLECT run . . . .
> >
> 
> OK, but I don’t see that:
> 
> 
> CBR1180I OAM tape volume status: FRAME LAST   F  E   SYS=V470
> VOLUME  MEDIA STORAGE   LIBRARY   USE  W  C  SOFTWARE  LIBRARY
> TYPE  GROUP NAME  ATR  P  P  ERR STAT  CATEGORY
> PL0009  MEDIA4DLMUTPUTXDLMP   PN  N  NOERROR   NONE
> ---
> RECORDING TECH: 128 TRACKCOMPACTION: YES
> SPECIAL ATTRIBUTE:  NONE ENTER/EJECT DATE:   2011-05-28
> CREATION DATE:  2008-05-14   EXPIRATION DATE:2015-02-16
> LAST MOUNTED DATE:  2015-01-17   LAST WRITTEN DATE:  2015-01-15
> SHELF LOCATION: DEST=UTXDLMP
> OWNER: DPCGP
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Re: How to determine the Dataclas Used for a TAPE

2020-10-20 Thread Pew, Curtis G
On Oct 20, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Jackson, Rob  wrote:
> 
> Are you sure?  I see LM DC: on my display; that's the construct where size is 
> defined in the Library Manager.  Dataclass is definitely stored (I'd guess in 
> the VVDS, not sure honestly, but certainly in the LM for tape volumes); check 
> your dataset records in a DCOLLECT run . . . .
> 

OK, but I don’t see that:


CBR1180I OAM tape volume status: FRAME LAST   F  E   SYS=V470
VOLUME  MEDIA STORAGE   LIBRARY   USE  W  C  SOFTWARE  LIBRARY   
TYPE  GROUP NAME  ATR  P  P  ERR STAT  CATEGORY  
PL0009  MEDIA4DLMUTPUTXDLMP   PN  N  NOERROR   NONE  
---  
RECORDING TECH: 128 TRACKCOMPACTION: YES 
SPECIAL ATTRIBUTE:  NONE ENTER/EJECT DATE:   2011-05-28  
CREATION DATE:  2008-05-14   EXPIRATION DATE:2015-02-16  
LAST MOUNTED DATE:  2015-01-17   LAST WRITTEN DATE:  2015-01-15  
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Re: How to determine the Dataclas Used for a TAPE

2020-10-20 Thread Jackson, Rob
Yep, data class is stored in the VVDS, plain as day, right between the storage 
class and the management class for each dataset that has one.  If it doesn't 
have one, there are three bytes of X'00' between the storage class and length 
of the management class.

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Are you sure?  I see LM DC: on my display; that's the construct where size is 
defined in the Library Manager.  Dataclass is definitely stored (I'd guess in 
the VVDS, not sure honestly, but certainly in the LM for tape volumes); check 
your dataset records in a DCOLLECT run . . . .

D SMS,VOL(64)
CBR1180I OAM TAPE VOLUME STATUS: 022
VOLUME  MEDIA STORAGE   LIBRARY   USE  W  C  SOFTWARE  LIBRARY
TYPE  GROUP NAME  ATR  P  P  ERR STAT  CATEGORY
64  MEDIA2LITVE2F   LITCL02   PN  N  NOERROR   PRIVATE
---
RECORDING TECH: 36 TRACK COMPACTION: YES
SPECIAL ATTRIBUTE:  NONE ENTER/EJECT DATE:   2012-10-28
CREATION DATE:  2012-10-28   EXPIRATION DATE:1999-00-00
LAST MOUNTED DATE:  2018-02-07   LAST WRITTEN DATE:  2018-02-07
SHELF LOCATION:
OWNER: XPTR
LM SG: LITVE2F   LM SC: LITVE LM MC: MCVTSGDE  LM DC: DC4GB
LM CATEGORY: 000F
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LOGICAL VOLUME.
VOLUME IS CACHE RESIDENT.
COPY EXISTS IN AT LEAST TWO DISTRIBUTED LIBRARIES.

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On Oct 20, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Jackson, Rob  wrote:
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> Tape dataclass is on the volume level.  You can use 'd sms,vol(vv)'.

That shows the storage group but not the dataclass.

I’m pretty sure DATACLAS, for both disk and tape, is used during ACS routines 
and allocation in general, but isn’t ever stored anywhere. It’s a place for the 
system to get information when allocating the dataset, but then it’s discarded.


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Re: How to determine the Dataclas Used for a TAPE

2020-10-20 Thread Jackson, Rob
Are you sure?  I see LM DC: on my display; that's the construct where size is 
defined in the Library Manager.  Dataclass is definitely stored (I'd guess in 
the VVDS, not sure honestly, but certainly in the LM for tape volumes); check 
your dataset records in a DCOLLECT run . . . .

D SMS,VOL(64)   
CBR1180I OAM TAPE VOLUME STATUS: 022
VOLUME  MEDIA STORAGE   LIBRARY   USE  W  C  SOFTWARE  LIBRARY  
TYPE  GROUP NAME  ATR  P  P  ERR STAT  CATEGORY 
64  MEDIA2LITVE2F   LITCL02   PN  N  NOERROR   PRIVATE  
--- 
RECORDING TECH: 36 TRACK COMPACTION: YES
SPECIAL ATTRIBUTE:  NONE ENTER/EJECT DATE:   2012-10-28 
CREATION DATE:  2012-10-28   EXPIRATION DATE:1999-00-00 
LAST MOUNTED DATE:  2018-02-07   LAST WRITTEN DATE:  2018-02-07 
SHELF LOCATION: 
OWNER: XPTR 
LM SG: LITVE2F   LM SC: LITVE LM MC: MCVTSGDE  LM DC: DC4GB 
LM CATEGORY: 000F   
--- 
LOGICAL VOLUME. 
VOLUME IS CACHE RESIDENT.   
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On Oct 20, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Jackson, Rob  wrote:
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> Tape dataclass is on the volume level.  You can use 'd sms,vol(vv)'.

That shows the storage group but not the dataclass.

I’m pretty sure DATACLAS, for both disk and tape, is used during ACS routines 
and allocation in general, but isn’t ever stored anywhere. It’s a place for the 
system to get information when allocating the dataset, but then it’s discarded.


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Re: How to determine the Dataclas Used for a TAPE

2020-10-20 Thread Pew, Curtis G
On Oct 20, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Jackson, Rob  wrote:
> 
> Tape dataclass is on the volume level.  You can use 'd sms,vol(vv)'.

That shows the storage group but not the dataclass.

I’m pretty sure DATACLAS, for both disk and tape, is used during ACS routines 
and allocation in general, but isn’t ever stored anywhere. It’s a place for the 
system to get information when allocating the dataset, but then it’s discarded.


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Re: How to determine the Dataclas Used for a TAPE

2020-10-20 Thread Jackson, Rob
Tape dataclass is on the volume level.  You can use 'd sms,vol(vv)'.

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I am a little foggy on this



Is there a way with CA-1 or ISMF to determine what Dataclas a tape dataset used?



I have various sizes of tape in my TS7700.  I am trying to see what dataclas 
was used for a specific dataset



Thank you



Lizette




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Re: How to determine the Dataclas Used for a TAPE

2020-10-20 Thread Carmen Vitullo
Lizette, I listed some volumes via CA-1, ISMF and LISTCAT and so far I cannot 
see the dataclas in the display.
I'll poke around some more 
Carmen

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How to determine the Dataclas Used for a TAPE

2020-10-20 Thread Lizette Koehler
I am a little foggy on this

 

Is there a way with CA-1 or ISMF to determine what Dataclas a tape dataset
used?

 

I have various sizes of tape in my TS7700.  I am trying to see what dataclas
was used for a specific dataset

 

Thank you 

 

Lizette

 


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