Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Online lookup is coming

2016-12-08 Thread David Cole
Thank you Yvonne for your feedback. It's all good news, especially that you're actively working on the online lookup capability. The jumpiness occurred on the components page. it seemed to result from dropdowns that I had opened up suddenly closing for reasons unclear to me. At other web

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

2016-12-08 Thread Jialei Ma
Susan, thank you for forwarding us the feedback. Thank you everyone for your comments and suggestions for the IBM Doc Buddy app. I am Yvonne Ma, project manager of the app. You can send any future comments for the app to our support email account spt...@cn.ibm.com. We also would like to

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

2016-12-07 Thread David Cole
Byzantine!!! Boy you can say that again! At 12/7/2016 12:13 PM, Gord Tomlin wrote: On 2016-12-06 17:03, Dave Juraschek wrote: Apparently UX/UI is big stuff now. It has been for a long time. Jakob Nielsen has been leading the charge in this space for years: https://www.nngroup.com/ A good

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

2016-12-07 Thread Gord Tomlin
On 2016-12-06 17:03, Dave Juraschek wrote: Apparently UX/UI is big stuff now. It has been for a long time. Jakob Nielsen has been leading the charge in this space for years: https://www.nngroup.com/ A good (and short!) book on the topic is "Don't Make Me Think" by Steve Krug. IBM's

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

2016-12-06 Thread Dave Juraschek
I agree. Apparently UX/UI is big stuff now. Still IBM, the once biggest computing company, doesn't see this stuff as relevant or important. IBM is still green screen, block thought, SNA exclusive oriented. My son is now getting his Masters in UX/UI (User Experience/User Interface). Why

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-06 Thread Allan Staller
This whole conversation about the merits/drawbacks of DocBuddy reminds me om my mantra for the last 5 years. In "modernizing" their support tools. IBM is providing replacements that are neither as available, as functional, or as reliable as the items being replaced. ::DISCLAIMER::

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-06 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 18:32:02 -0500, Susan Shumway wrote: >IBM Knowledge Center allows you to use Boolean operators (AND/+, OR/|, >NOT/-, and so on) to create complex queries. >Example: "dynamic vipa" | dvipa > - Finds topics that contain the phrase dynamic VIPA OR the word DVIPA >anywhere in the

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-06 Thread David Crayford
On 6/12/2016 7:32 AM, Susan Shumway wrote: I don't know about scripted access to KC search, but I can offer up some Google search tricks for those of you that prefer that method over the (still improving) KC search function. These are from a NaSPA deck I helped present early last year...

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-05 Thread Susan Shumway
Answered in sequence... On 12/05/16 7:58 PM, Tony Harminc wrote: On 5 December 2016 at 18:32, Susan Shumway wrote: I don't know about scripted access to KC search, but I can offer up some Google search tricks for those of you that prefer that method over the (still

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

2016-12-05 Thread Susan Shumway
Hi Tony, I emailed the "spt...@cn.ibm.com" address that you also found. That's the official contact address for the IBM Doc Buddy development team, which is located in China (hence the "cn"). It's the only vehicle I know of for commenting or reporting problems on the app. From what I've

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

2016-12-05 Thread Tony Harminc
On 5 December 2016 at 17:35, Susan Shumway wrote: > This is actually very valuable feedback - thanks! I forwarded it on to the > Doc Buddy team. > Hi again, Susan. Is there somewhere official (or semi-official) to sumit problems with Doc Buddy. I imagine it's not formally

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-05 Thread Tony Harminc
On 5 December 2016 at 18:32, Susan Shumway wrote: > I don't know about scripted access to KC search, but I can offer up some > Google search tricks for those of you that prefer that method over the > (still improving) KC search function. These are from a NaSPA deck I helped

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-05 Thread Susan Shumway
I don't know about scripted access to KC search, but I can offer up some Google search tricks for those of you that prefer that method over the (still improving) KC search function. These are from a NaSPA deck I helped present early last year... IBM Knowledge Center allows you to use Boolean

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

2016-12-05 Thread Susan Shumway
This is actually very valuable feedback - thanks! I forwarded it on to the Doc Buddy team. (I did happen to also see your snark apology, so I paraphrased your comments. ;-) ) Here's what I sent. If there's anything any of you want added to it, let me know... A customer recently posted some

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

2016-12-05 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 16:42:43 -0500, David Cole wrote: >Tried it. Don't much like it at all! I tried it, just to see what it is like. I can't really say that I liked it, but then I never liked LOOKAT either. I have Quickref available, and it is, IMO, far better than either LOOKAT or Doc Buddy.

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-04 Thread Steve Horein
Add to the list the new face of Redbooks http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/ Thankfully, it's just the "face" (for now?) On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Charles Mills wrote: > ... Why does IBM keep taking things that aren't broken (LookAt, Book Manager) > and making them trendy,

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-04 Thread Charles Mills
tally sold. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 3:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 10:31:13 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: &g

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-04 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 10:31:13 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >And as a side benefit, it does in fact work very nicely from an Android >device (and presumably also from an iOS device). (But unlike Doc Buddy, not >off-line.) > >And also, as I said in another thread, it works for "everything," not just

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Compiler incest

2016-12-04 Thread David L. Craig
On 16Dec04:1431-0500, Gabe Goldberg wrote: > David Cole noted: > > In contrast, a compiler coded in its own language tends to be much > > better, user friendly in features, than a compiler coded in any other > language. > > Interesting observation. It's certainly true of

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

2016-12-04 Thread Gabe Goldberg
Good luck embarrassing IBM anywhere, including (or especially) at shareholders meeting. During the 1980 OCO wars I was involved in industry efforts (it wasn't just SHARE/GUIDE, ADAPSO pushed too on behalf of software vendor members) fighting. I went to shareholders meeting and suggested to IBM

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Compiler incest

2016-12-04 Thread Gabe Goldberg
Related, I think the VM community's wonderful Melinda Varian observed that the best software is developed by people (often individuals) who actually want to use it. On the VM side, that includes Mike Cowlishaw's REXX and John Hartmann's CMS Pipelines. I'm sure z/OS has many equivalent stellar

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-04 Thread Charles Mills
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 2:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? I like it. I'm changing my LOOKAT bookmark to point to the SEARCH page. Than

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-04 Thread David Cole
I like it. I'm changing my LOOKAT bookmark to point to the SEARCH page. Thanks Charles. Dave At 12/3/2016 03:42 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:06:08 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: I just tried something this morning. If you go to Knowledge Center search

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously!

2016-12-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 03:00:15 -0500, David Cole wrote: >... >But if the worlds of Apples, PCs, iPhones, and Androids >has show us anything at all, >it has shown us that skins matter, >and that UIs matter. > >IBM has a decades long history of releasing unpolished products >and then polishing them up

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:06:08 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >I just tried something this morning. If you go to Knowledge Center search >https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/search/ and type in a message >number the first hit seems to be the entry in Messages and Codes. Hard to >see how that is

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-03 Thread Charles Mills
I just tried something this morning. If you go to Knowledge Center search https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/search/ and type in a message number the first hit seems to be the entry in Messages and Codes. Hard to see how that is any less satisfactory than LookAt. Better in that it gives

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

2016-12-03 Thread David Cole
Systems Admin/Programmer 3 UFIT University of Florida (352) 273-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 5:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously!

2016-12-03 Thread David Cole
I will admit... it is easier to be snarky against something anonymous such as faceless development teams... I tend to forget that there are real people working hard to develop something other people hopefully will like. I got an email from one of the UI developers/testers. Someone I may know.

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Compiler incest

2016-12-02 Thread Jack J. Woehr
David Cole wrote: In contrast, a compiler coded in its own language tends to be much better, user friendly in features, than a compiler coded in any other language. Interesting observation. In a word: Forth -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Compiler incest

2016-12-02 Thread David Cole
In contrast, a compiler coded in its own language tends to be much better, user friendly in features, than a compiler coded in any other language. Interesting observation. At 12/2/2016 09:11 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 17:41:25 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: > >Why does

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

2016-12-02 Thread Clark Morris
rsity of Florida >>(352) 273-1298 >>-Original Message- >>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List >>[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Cole >>Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 5:16 PM >>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>Subject: Re: LOOKAT

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-02 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 17:41:25 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: > >Why does IBM keep taking things that aren't broken (LookAt, Book Manager) >and making them trendy, rather than keeping them in a form that is useful to >their customers? > One can often tell when a product is produced and supported by

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-02 Thread Charles Mills
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 5:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? I've got an Android phone, but if I want to look up a message, it is most likely because I am sitting in front of my 3270 emulator. I seldom want to look up a z/OS message when I am walking down the street

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-02 Thread Charles Mills
AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? > >have they replaced it with anything? > > There is a phone app called IBM Doc buddy. Try it, you might like it. > The LOOKAT web site says: LookAt is no longer supported. This site is offered for use "as is" un

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-02 Thread Tony Harminc
On 2 December 2016 at 14:29, Jim Mulder wrote: > 1. I don't have an iPhone or Android. > That takes courage these days... > 2. If I need to look up a message, it is because I am >seeing that message via an Internet connection. I never >need to look up message

Re: Fw: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

2016-12-02 Thread David Cole
@colesoft.com> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date:12/02/2016 05:25 PM Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Thanks for the tip. >Is the ASMA033I message correct? Could it be AS

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

2016-12-02 Thread David Cole
] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 5:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously? Thanks for the tip. >Is the ASMA033I message correct? Could it be ASM033I (without the >second A) Yes, ASMA033I correct. Google it. ASMAnnnc me

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

2016-12-02 Thread Nims,Alva John (Al)
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously? Thanks for the tip. >Is the ASMA033I message correct? Could it be ASM033I (without the >second A) Yes, ASMA033I correct. Google it. ASMAnnnc messages belong to the High Level Assembler. ASMnc message belong to the &quo

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

2016-12-02 Thread David Cole
: Friday, December 02, 2016 4:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously? >There is a phone app called IBM Doc buddy. Try it, you might like it. Tried it. Don't much like it at all! Ok, I've just now downloaded and installed Doc Buddy (Android version).

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

2016-12-02 Thread Nims,Alva John (Al)
SMA033I message correct? Could it be ASM033I (without the second A) Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer 3 UFIT University of Florida (352) 273-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 4:

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

2016-12-02 Thread David Cole
There is a phone app called IBM Doc buddy. Try it, you might like it. Tried it. Don't much like it at all! Ok, I've just now downloaded and installed Doc Buddy (Android version). And the best I can say about it is, whoever designed the UI really didn't put much effort into it. I mean

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-02 Thread Jim Mulder
> >have they replaced it with anything? > > There is a phone app called IBM Doc buddy. Try it, you might like it. > The LOOKAT web site says: LookAt is no longer supported. This site is offered for use "as is" until z/OS V1R13 goes out of service later this year. New: IBM Doc Buddy is a

Friday (was:: LOOKAT gone?)

2016-12-02 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:54:10 -0600, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: > >Much appreciated. Now, I'm off to enjoy my weekend to mow my lawn in the >sweltering heat. ;-D > Too good not to share on Friday:

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-02 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Paul Gilmartin wrote: >>Who is that rockstar who cried out that song? Just curious... >Rockstar!? I can make you feel old: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma!_He's_Making_Eyes_at_Me Groan. I'm feeling OLD! Thanks for posting this link about this nearly 100 years old song. Much

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-02 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:43:27 -0600, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: > >Now, 'LOOKAT' reminds me of that song: 'Maa, he is LOOKING at >meee!' > >Who is that rockstar who cried out that song? Just curious... > Rockstar!? I can make you feel old:

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-02 Thread Charles Mills
Ditto. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dave Cole Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 3:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? H. They've moved it. (The link I've been using

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-02 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Dave Cole wrote: >H. They've moved it. (The link I've been using is in a bookmark and has >been working for years.) >Anyway, thanks for the clue. >:-) Ok, it must be Friday today, something which I never got it in this month... ;-D Now, 'LOOKAT' reminds me of that song: 'Maa, he is

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-02 Thread Allan Staller
Try here: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/library/bkserv/lookat/ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 3:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: LOOKAT gone? LOOKAT

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-02 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 04:51:39 -0500, David Cole wrote: >have they replaced it with anything? There is a phone app called IBM Doc buddy. Try it, you might like it. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-02 Thread David Cole
H. They've moved it. (The link I've been using is in a bookmark and has been working for years.) Anyway, thanks for the clue. :-) Dave At 12/2/2016 05:59 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: Richards, Robert B. wrote:

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-02 Thread Dave Cole
H. They've moved it. (The link I've been using is in a bookmark and has been working for years.) Anyway, thanks for the clue. :-) Dave At 12/2/2016 05:59 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: Richards, Robert B. wrote:

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-02 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Richards, Robert B. wrote: >http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/library/bkserv/lookat/lookatm.html >You were missing "library" before bkserv Thanks! It is the same problem as in thread 'Re: IBM doc page - down or dead?' earlier this week. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht

Re: LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-02 Thread Richards, Robert B.
: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: LOOKAT gone? LOOKAT is (was?) an IBM web page that could be used to look up doc for IBM generated messages. Just give it the message number, and it would give you the doc. The page was "www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/lookat/", but just now I tried

LOOKAT gone?

2016-12-02 Thread David Cole
LOOKAT is (was?) an IBM web page that could be used to look up doc for IBM generated messages. Just give it the message number, and it would give you the doc. The page was "www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/lookat/", but just now I tried going there and got the IBM equivalent of a 404!