Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-18 Thread R.S.
Well, I also worked for Volvo. In Poland, Wrocław. Hint: Volvo is swedish company, but they also have Renault trucks. So, polish guys in Wrocław worked on swedish terminal emulator to connect to french mainframes with french messages from some exits (ridiculous IMHO). Polish guys called it

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-12 Thread Seymour J Metz
: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes") Volvo Truck NA, for whom I worked 14 years, had a sort of DOS-101 class for all our end users who were trying to figure out how to use the PCs newly on their desks. Some of them actually seemed to pay attention, and cam

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-12 Thread Bob Bridges
Volvo Truck NA, for whom I worked 14 years, had a sort of DOS-101 class for all our end users who were trying to figure out how to use the PCs newly on their desks. Some of them actually seemed to pay attention, and came back to their cubicles understanding, for instance, what a root directory is

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-12 Thread Don Leahy
t; of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 7:23 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire > mainframes") > > W dniu 12.06.2020 o 12:59, Seymour J Metz pisze: > > Well, if they

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-12 Thread Seymour J Metz
s Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes") W dniu 12.06.2020 o 12:59, Seymour J Metz pisze: > Well, if they come from a world where there is no messages manual, it may not > occur to them to RTFM; that should be part of their initial training, but we > all know how gen

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-12 Thread Seymour J Metz
9:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes") We used to run a product called SPIFFY by Isogon. It was bought by IBM and renamed to Dataset Commander. I was actually told by the IBMer supporting the product that th

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-12 Thread Charles Mills
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes") Well... The only country I can imagine such approach is France. I don't know Japan, so I cannot say. However I met mainrame people from South America and they told me they orderd a

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-12 Thread Herring, Bobby
] Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes") CAUTION: This email message originated from outside the organization. Do not click on links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. > 4. Message description in the

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-12 Thread R.S.
ion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 1:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes") This pair of error messages was a design mistake: OS/2 !! Sys014

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-12 Thread R.S.
W dniu 12.06.2020 o 12:59, Seymour J Metz pisze: Well, if they come from a world where there is no messages manual, it may not occur to them to RTFM; that should be part of their initial training, but we all know how generous education budgets are these days. I teach mainframe courses in

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-12 Thread Seymour J Metz
__ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 4:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes") Well, I wr

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-12 Thread Seymour J Metz
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Martin Packer [martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com] Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes") I

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-12 Thread Martin Packer
/tv/mpt/or https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/mainframe-performance-topics/id1127943573?mt=2 Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA From: "R.S." To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 12/06/2020 09:51 Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Messag

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-12 Thread R.S.
Well, I wrote an article on my internal company blog, recently. It was exactly about messages and codes. People couldn't believe in some statements: 1. Every message has its own ID. Fortunately readers agreed that msg ID is far better than "Oops! Something went wrong, try again later". 2. Every

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-11 Thread Allan Staller
Nope! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 10:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes") [CAUTION: This Email i

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
ERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Timothy Sipples [sipp...@sg.ibm.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes") This pair of error messages was a design mistake: OS/2 !! Sys01475 OS/2 !!

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
lls [charl...@mcn.org] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 10:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes") You have to understand national politics: "we won't buy this product; the error messages are in English"

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-11 Thread Charles Mills
Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 1:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes") This pair of error

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 16:42:02 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote: >This pair of error messages was a design mistake: > >OS/2 !! Sys01475 >OS/2 !! Sys02027 > >That's a case of national language considerations run amok. ... > >A diskette's boot sector doesn't have much room, ... >:-) Please don't try to

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-11 Thread Timothy Sipples
This pair of error messages was a design mistake: OS/2 !! Sys01475 OS/2 !! Sys02027 That's a case of national language considerations run amok. That was the only pair of messages you saw on your screen when you formatted a diskette with OS/2, left the diskette in the primary drive, and

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
AIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes") I take this example as merely an example. IBM & the software industry are notoriously bad at getting these right. At one end, you have "Oops, something went wrong." -- Windows

Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-10 Thread Steve Smith
I take this example as merely an example. IBM & the software industry are notoriously bad at getting these right. At one end, you have "Oops, something went wrong." -- Windows 10 (and yeah, the day I started using Windows 10). At the other, IDC3009I. Sheesh. Counter to those, the IMS message