Re: Next SMP/E question
> ADD DDDEF(VSHZFSX) PATH'/u/some/directory') . > So it doesn't validate access to or even existence of that directory. APPLY CHECK does indeed check for the existence of the directory, but it does not check a user's permissions to update files in that directory. Kurt Quackenbush IBM | z/OS SMP/E and z/OSMF Software Management | ku...@us.ibm.com Chuck Norris never uses CHECK when he applies PTFs. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Next SMP/E question
Hi Phil, That is true provided the DDDEFs are instead coded as JCL. Regards, David On 2023-09-05 20:47, Phil Smith III wrote: Mark Jacobs wrote: Apply check doesn't open any target traditional datasets, or Unix System Services paths, so it's WAD. Whether it should is a different question. And in my experience (limited, obviously) with traditional target data sets, you'll get a JCL error earlier. So this may just be How It Works, unless someone else has another idea. Thanks. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Next SMP/E question
The rationale is simple: the target libraries may not be accessible on the system performing the APPLY CHECK ... for example, golden master environment, where APPLY CHECK is to validate the fix pre/coreq before distribution. Another example is security rights, APPLY cauld run under a more powerful userid than APPLY CHECK, which affects dataset access. On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 10:42 AM Mark Jacobs < 0224d287a4b1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Apply check doesn't open any target traditional datasets, or Unix System > Services paths, so it's WAD. Whether it should is a different question. > > Mark Jacobs > > Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. > > GPG Public Key - > https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get=markjac...@protonmail.com > > > --- Original Message --- > On Tuesday, September 5th, 2023 at 8:25 PM, Phil Smith III < > li...@akphs.com> wrote: > > > > I have a statement in the allocate job: > > > > ADD DDDEF(VSHZFSX) PATH'/u/some/directory') . > > > > > > > > The later Apply Check job just does: > > > > //SMPCNTL DD * > > > > SET BOUNDARY(TARGET) . > > > > APPLY S(VVSH840) CHECK . > > > > > > > > So it doesn't validate access to or even existence of that directory. > Could/should it? I don't know whether this is even reasonable, which makes > it a bit hard to research! Obviously we'll document it in great detail, but > as previously noted, I'm trying to make this as easy as possible for the > users, and failing on Apply Check seems more correct than on Apply (which > is where it fails now if that directory isn't there or the user doesn't > have R/W access). > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Next SMP/E question
Mark Jacobs wrote: >Apply check doesn't open any target traditional datasets, or Unix >System Services paths, so it's WAD. Whether it should is a different >question. And in my experience (limited, obviously) with traditional target data sets, you'll get a JCL error earlier. So this may just be How It Works, unless someone else has another idea. Thanks. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Next SMP/E question
Apply check doesn't open any target traditional datasets, or Unix System Services paths, so it's WAD. Whether it should is a different question. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get=markjac...@protonmail.com --- Original Message --- On Tuesday, September 5th, 2023 at 8:25 PM, Phil Smith III wrote: > I have a statement in the allocate job: > > ADD DDDEF(VSHZFSX) PATH'/u/some/directory') . > > > > The later Apply Check job just does: > > //SMPCNTL DD * > > SET BOUNDARY(TARGET) . > > APPLY S(VVSH840) CHECK . > > > > So it doesn't validate access to or even existence of that directory. > Could/should it? I don't know whether this is even reasonable, which makes it > a bit hard to research! Obviously we'll document it in great detail, but as > previously noted, I'm trying to make this as easy as possible for the users, > and failing on Apply Check seems more correct than on Apply (which is where > it fails now if that directory isn't there or the user doesn't have R/W > access). > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Next SMP/E question
I have a statement in the allocate job: ADD DDDEF(VSHZFSX) PATH'/u/some/directory') . The later Apply Check job just does: //SMPCNTL DD * SET BOUNDARY(TARGET) . APPLY S(VVSH840) CHECK . So it doesn't validate access to or even existence of that directory. Could/should it? I don't know whether this is even reasonable, which makes it a bit hard to research! Obviously we'll document it in great detail, but as previously noted, I'm trying to make this as easy as possible for the users, and failing on Apply Check seems more correct than on Apply (which is where it fails now if that directory isn't there or the user doesn't have R/W access). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
