Re: RACF TEMPDSN improvement with the zOS 1.13
>You have gotten excellent replies from Robert and Dan. You can sure use these >resources as proof of that change. Also see http://www.rshconsulting.com/racftips/RSH_Consulting__RACF_Tips__April_2012.pdf Happy reading! Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: RACF TEMPDSN improvement with the zOS 1.13
Rogério Camargo wrote: >Thanks for your reply. You're most welcome. >... but again, I could not identified any piece of information about the >TEMPDSN improvements came with the zOS V1R13. You have gotten excellent replies from Robert and Dan. You can sure use these resources as proof of that change. I did activated TEMPDSN many moons ago, long before v1.13. But before you activate it, make sure all your system are at z/OS v1.13 before you attempt to activate it. For myself, I would perhaps just wait for a silent time if I want to activate it. I'm just paranoid, don't really like to break my bread and butter systems. ;-) >Definitively, I wouldn't like to bother you, but were you able to find that >info in such documentations ? You are not bothering me or others. ;-) I would also posted the same information these two kind persons already done. Feel free to ask again here on IBM-MAIN or RACF-L. There are many kind people lurking ready to help. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: RACF TEMPDSN improvement with the zOS 1.13
Dan, I really appreciate that you're right such doc shows that and implies the 1.13 had that change. Tks a lot!! From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of Dan Little <dwlit...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RACF TEMPDSN improvement with the zOS 1.13 It's not really described as an improvement anywhere for z/OS 1.13 but the documentation at https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.icha700/tempdsn.htm Protecting DFP-managed temporary data sets<https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.icha700/tempdsn.htm> www.ibm.com In these cases, if the TEMPDSN class is active, only users with the OPERATIONS attribute can scratch any residual DFP-managed temporary data sets remaining on a volume. does reference sharing disk with V1.12 or earlier which kind of implies that V1.13 had the change. Dan On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Rogério Camargo <remcama...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hey Elardus, good morning! > Thanks for your reply. > > And yes, I've being searched these manuals (zOS 1.13 Migration Guide and > also I tried the "z/Architecture Principles of Operation " but again, I > could not identified any piece of information about the TEMPDSN > improvements came with the zOS V1R13. > I've already discussed with my customer all the information about the > TEMPDSN I got from the RACF-L forum, however they want to see an official > statement from IBM reporting about such improvement. > > Definitively, I wouldn't like to bother you, but were you able to find > that info in such documentations ? > > Again, tks a lot for your time :-) > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf > of Elardus Engelbrecht <elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 2:43 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: RACF TEMPDSN improvement with the zOS 1.13 > > Rogério Camargo wrote: > > >Hello! > >I've heard about improvements with the zOS 1.13 (some year ago) related > to the RACF TEMPDSN, however it is being just impossible to me to find that > information in any 1.13 manual/migration guide... I've just read and > searched several of these manual, but I simply could not find it. > > Really? What manuals did you read? > > Did you started searching at this KC page? > > https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_1. > 13.0/com.ibm.zos.r13/en/Homepage.html > IBM: z/OS V1R13 information center<https://www.ibm.com/ > support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_1.13.0/com.ibm.zos.r13/en/Homepage.html> > www.ibm.com<http://www.ibm.com> > z/OS V1R13 information center ... z/Architecture™ Principles of Operation > A detailed description of z/Architecture, for reference purposes. > > > > You can also search RACF-L and/or IBM-MAIN. TEMPDSN has been discussed a > lot over the years. > > Groete / Greetings > Elardus Engelbrecht > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: RACF TEMPDSN improvement with the zOS 1.13
Bob, Thanks so much I noticed now such difference. Have a great day! From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of Robert S. Hansel (RSH) <r.han...@rshconsulting.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 6:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RACF TEMPDSN improvement with the zOS 1.13 HI Roger, Beginning with z/OS 1.13, the activation of TEMPDSN no longer interferes with currently running processes, and it is safe to activate TEMPDSN without waiting for an IPL. If you compare the description of TEMPDSN in the 1.12 version of the RACF Security Administrator's Guide with its description in the 1.13 version, you'll find following verbiage has been dropped from the 1.13 version. (quote) Avoid activating the TEMPDSN class when current users or jobs are using temporary data sets. Otherwise, you could cause users or jobs to receive an ABEND, as shown in the following scenario: 1. The job or user allocates a temporary data set. 2. You activate the TEMPDSN class. 3. The job or user opens the data set. 4. Because activating the TEMPDSN class restricts the authority to open a temporary data set, the user or job receives an abend. (end-quote) Regards, Bob Robert S. Hansel *** Celebrating 30 years working with RACF *** Lead RACF Specialist RSH Consulting, Inc. 617-969-8211 www.linkedin.com/in/roberthansel<http://www.linkedin.com/in/roberthansel> Robert Hansel | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/in/roberthansel> www.linkedin.com View Robert Hansel’s professional profile on LinkedIn. LinkedIn is the world's largest business network, helping professionals like Robert Hansel discover inside connections to recommended job candidates, industry experts, and business partners. http://twitter.com/RSH_RACF Robert Hansel (@RSH_RACF) | Twitter<http://twitter.com/RSH_RACF> twitter.com The latest Tweets from Robert Hansel (@RSH_RACF). President & Lead RACF Specialist, RSH Consulting, Inc www.rshconsulting.com<http://www.rshconsulting.com> Upcoming RSH RACF Training - WebEx - RACF Audit & Compliance Roadmap - MAY 15-19, 2017 - RACF Level I Administration - APR 25-28, 2017 - RACF Level II Administration - NOV 13-17, 2017 - RACF Level III Admin, Audit, & Compliance - OCT 2-6, 2017 - RACF - Securing z/OS UNIX - OCT 23-27, 2017 -Original Message- Date:Tue, 18 Apr 2017 20:25:30 + From:Rogério Camargo <remcama...@hotmail.com> Subject: RACF TEMPDSN improvement with the zOS 1.13 Hello! I've heard about improvements with the zOS 1.13 (some year ago) related to the RACF TEMPDSN, however it is being just impossible to me to find that information in any 1.13 manual/migration guide... I've just read and searched several of these manual, but I simply could not find it. Would any of you have any material about it that could share with me ?! Tks Roger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: RACF TEMPDSN improvement with the zOS 1.13
It's not really described as an improvement anywhere for z/OS 1.13 but the documentation at https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.icha700/tempdsn.htm does reference sharing disk with V1.12 or earlier which kind of implies that V1.13 had the change. Dan On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Rogério Camargo <remcama...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hey Elardus, good morning! > Thanks for your reply. > > And yes, I've being searched these manuals (zOS 1.13 Migration Guide and > also I tried the "z/Architecture Principles of Operation " but again, I > could not identified any piece of information about the TEMPDSN > improvements came with the zOS V1R13. > I've already discussed with my customer all the information about the > TEMPDSN I got from the RACF-L forum, however they want to see an official > statement from IBM reporting about such improvement. > > Definitively, I wouldn't like to bother you, but were you able to find > that info in such documentations ? > > Again, tks a lot for your time :-) > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf > of Elardus Engelbrecht <elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 2:43 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: RACF TEMPDSN improvement with the zOS 1.13 > > Rogério Camargo wrote: > > >Hello! > >I've heard about improvements with the zOS 1.13 (some year ago) related > to the RACF TEMPDSN, however it is being just impossible to me to find that > information in any 1.13 manual/migration guide... I've just read and > searched several of these manual, but I simply could not find it. > > Really? What manuals did you read? > > Did you started searching at this KC page? > > https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_1. > 13.0/com.ibm.zos.r13/en/Homepage.html > IBM: z/OS V1R13 information center<https://www.ibm.com/ > support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_1.13.0/com.ibm.zos.r13/en/Homepage.html> > www.ibm.com > z/OS V1R13 information center ... z/Architecture™ Principles of Operation > A detailed description of z/Architecture, for reference purposes. > > > > You can also search RACF-L and/or IBM-MAIN. TEMPDSN has been discussed a > lot over the years. > > Groete / Greetings > Elardus Engelbrecht > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: RACF TEMPDSN improvement with the zOS 1.13
Hey Elardus, good morning! Thanks for your reply. And yes, I've being searched these manuals (zOS 1.13 Migration Guide and also I tried the "z/Architecture Principles of Operation " but again, I could not identified any piece of information about the TEMPDSN improvements came with the zOS V1R13. I've already discussed with my customer all the information about the TEMPDSN I got from the RACF-L forum, however they want to see an official statement from IBM reporting about such improvement. Definitively, I wouldn't like to bother you, but were you able to find that info in such documentations ? Again, tks a lot for your time :-) From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of Elardus Engelbrecht <elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 2:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RACF TEMPDSN improvement with the zOS 1.13 Rogério Camargo wrote: >Hello! >I've heard about improvements with the zOS 1.13 (some year ago) related to the >RACF TEMPDSN, however it is being just impossible to me to find that >information in any 1.13 manual/migration guide... I've just read and searched >several of these manual, but I simply could not find it. Really? What manuals did you read? Did you started searching at this KC page? https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_1.13.0/com.ibm.zos.r13/en/Homepage.html IBM: z/OS V1R13 information center<https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_1.13.0/com.ibm.zos.r13/en/Homepage.html> www.ibm.com z/OS V1R13 information center ... z/Architecture™ Principles of Operation A detailed description of z/Architecture, for reference purposes. You can also search RACF-L and/or IBM-MAIN. TEMPDSN has been discussed a lot over the years. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: RACF TEMPDSN improvement with the zOS 1.13
HI Roger, Beginning with z/OS 1.13, the activation of TEMPDSN no longer interferes with currently running processes, and it is safe to activate TEMPDSN without waiting for an IPL. If you compare the description of TEMPDSN in the 1.12 version of the RACF Security Administrator's Guide with its description in the 1.13 version, you'll find following verbiage has been dropped from the 1.13 version. (quote) Avoid activating the TEMPDSN class when current users or jobs are using temporary data sets. Otherwise, you could cause users or jobs to receive an ABEND, as shown in the following scenario: 1. The job or user allocates a temporary data set. 2. You activate the TEMPDSN class. 3. The job or user opens the data set. 4. Because activating the TEMPDSN class restricts the authority to open a temporary data set, the user or job receives an abend. (end-quote) Regards, Bob Robert S. Hansel *** Celebrating 30 years working with RACF *** Lead RACF Specialist RSH Consulting, Inc. 617-969-8211 www.linkedin.com/in/roberthansel http://twitter.com/RSH_RACF www.rshconsulting.com Upcoming RSH RACF Training - WebEx - RACF Audit & Compliance Roadmap - MAY 15-19, 2017 - RACF Level I Administration - APR 25-28, 2017 - RACF Level II Administration - NOV 13-17, 2017 - RACF Level III Admin, Audit, & Compliance - OCT 2-6, 2017 - RACF - Securing z/OS UNIX - OCT 23-27, 2017 -Original Message- Date:Tue, 18 Apr 2017 20:25:30 + From:Rogério Camargo <remcama...@hotmail.com> Subject: RACF TEMPDSN improvement with the zOS 1.13 Hello! I've heard about improvements with the zOS 1.13 (some year ago) related to the RACF TEMPDSN, however it is being just impossible to me to find that information in any 1.13 manual/migration guide... I've just read and searched several of these manual, but I simply could not find it. Would any of you have any material about it that could share with me ?! Tks Roger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: RACF TEMPDSN improvement with the zOS 1.13
Rogério Camargo wrote: >Hello! >I've heard about improvements with the zOS 1.13 (some year ago) related to the >RACF TEMPDSN, however it is being just impossible to me to find that >information in any 1.13 manual/migration guide... I've just read and searched >several of these manual, but I simply could not find it. Really? What manuals did you read? Did you started searching at this KC page? https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_1.13.0/com.ibm.zos.r13/en/Homepage.html You can also search RACF-L and/or IBM-MAIN. TEMPDSN has been discussed a lot over the years. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
RACF TEMPDSN improvement with the zOS 1.13
Hello! I've heard about improvements with the zOS 1.13 (some year ago) related to the RACF TEMPDSN, however it is being just impossible to me to find that information in any 1.13 manual/migration guide... I've just read and searched several of these manual, but I simply could not find it. Would any of you have any material about it that could share with me ?! Tks Roger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
