Re: Signing off

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

First: Happy retirement to Sean!

Regarding ICL 19xx - I bet the last machine from that family was 
switched off in Poland, 2006 (year, not model).

However it was polish product called ODRA.
To clarify, ODRA (name of the river) was a name of several completely 
different machines. This knowledge is very uncommon. However "that ODRA" 
was under ICT (then ICL) license - bought together with GEORGE III 
operating system.

It was the most popular type of computers in Poland late 60's and 70's.
Unfortunately I have never worked on Odra, however I saw it working in 
1994, touched guts, etc. :-)


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Lodz, Poland



W dniu 27.02.2024 o 10:46, Martin Packer pisze:

My Dad (now long since retired) worked with 1904’s and then 29xx and 39xx.

(He also had IBM kit in the end – 3090 – but that isn’t really how I got into 
IBM.) 

I think there was / is a 1904 in the Science Museum in London.

Cheers, Martin

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Steve 
Thompson
Date: Monday, 26 February 2024 at 22:02
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU  
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Signing off
I had to re-read that line "first started on an ICL 1904" a few
times before I my brain realized that was a model number and not
a year.

Blue skies and tail winds.

Enjoy your next set of activities.

Regards,
Steve Thompson

On 2/26/2024 2:51 PM, Sean Gleann wrote:

This list has been a great source of ideas and information, although I've
never really been a 'contributor' here, but more of a 'lurker'. Whenever
I've seen a thread that I might be able to respond to, someone else gets in
first with a response very similar to the one that I thought of.

So, I hope you won't mind me speaking up now to say that it's time for this
tired old mainframer to toddle off into the sunset... after 50 years of
working with mainframe systems, I feel it's time to hang up my keyboard and
call it a day.

I first started on an ICL 1904 - punched cards, paper tape, core memory,
60MB disks, GEORGE II - but quickly saw the light and moved to another
employer that used a 360/30 roughly 8 years after the series was first
marketed. Since then, aside from a brief entanglement with a Burroughs
B4700, it's been IBM all the way.

I have to say that it's (mostly) been a lot of fun. From one aspect, I've
never really worked a day in my life. Instead, I've been paid a lot of
money to play on other people's expensive toys.

Here's wishing all of you good luck and good fortune for the future. I'll
be thinking about doing some travelling - haven't made it to South America
or Africa yet.

Regards
Sean o'bhaile na Gleann


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Re: Signing off

[Seymour J Metz]

IBM 65? Should that be 650?

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Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 6:49 AM
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Subject: Re: Signing off

My first computer was a 1902 in Melbourne Australia.

I then went to Shell Oil and worked on an English Electric Leo.

Then an IBM 65 arrived.

And I wrote the first version of Jol to replace JCL in about 1968 or 1969
in PL/1 and converted it Assembler to run in a 16K (?) Partition.

The ICL 1902 was assembler only then. Cobol was just being "played" with.
It needed 4 tape decks to do a compile.

The LEO at Shell could multi program back in the '60s. It also had a
compiler language called CLEO that was a bit similar to COBOL.  A bit...



On Tue, 27 Feb. 2024, 8:47 pm Martin Packer, 
wrote:

> My Dad (now long since retired) worked with 1904’s and then 29xx and 39xx.
>
> (He also had IBM kit in the end – 3090 – but that isn’t really how I got
> into IBM.) 
>
> I think there was / is a 1904 in the Science Museum in London.
>
> Cheers, Martin
>
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
> of Steve Thompson 
> Date: Monday, 26 February 2024 at 22:02
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Signing off
> I had to re-read that line "first started on an ICL 1904" a few
> times before I my brain realized that was a model number and not
> a year.
>
> Blue skies and tail winds.
>
> Enjoy your next set of activities.
>
> Regards,
> Steve Thompson
>
> On 2/26/2024 2:51 PM, Sean Gleann wrote:
> > This list has been a great source of ideas and information, although I've
> > never really been a 'contributor' here, but more of a 'lurker'. Whenever
> > I've seen a thread that I might be able to respond to, someone else gets
> in
> > first with a response very similar to the one that I thought of.
> >
> > So, I hope you won't mind me speaking up now to say that it's time for
> this
> > tired old mainframer to toddle off into the sunset... after 50 years of
> > working with mainframe systems, I feel it's time to hang up my keyboard
> and
> > call it a day.
> >
> > I first started on an ICL 1904 - punched cards, paper tape, core memory,
> > 60MB disks, GEORGE II - but quickly saw the light and moved to another
> > employer that used a 360/30 roughly 8 years after the series was first
> > marketed. Since then, aside from a brief entanglement with a Burroughs
> > B4700, it's been IBM all the way.
> >
> > I have to say that it's (mostly) been a lot of fun. From one aspect, I've
> > never really worked a day in my life. Instead, I've been paid a lot of
> > money to play on other people's expensive toys.
> >
> > Here's wishing all of you good luck and good fortune for the future. I'll
> > be thinking about doing some travelling - haven't made it to South
> America
> > or Africa yet.
> >
> > Regards
> > Sean o'bhaile na Gleann
> >
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Re: Signing off

[Clement Clarke]

My first computer was a 1902 in Melbourne Australia.

I then went to Shell Oil and worked on an English Electric Leo.

Then an IBM 65 arrived.

And I wrote the first version of Jol to replace JCL in about 1968 or 1969
in PL/1 and converted it Assembler to run in a 16K (?) Partition.

The ICL 1902 was assembler only then. Cobol was just being "played" with.
It needed 4 tape decks to do a compile.

The LEO at Shell could multi program back in the '60s. It also had a
compiler language called CLEO that was a bit similar to COBOL.  A bit...



On Tue, 27 Feb. 2024, 8:47 pm Martin Packer, 
wrote:

> My Dad (now long since retired) worked with 1904’s and then 29xx and 39xx.
>
> (He also had IBM kit in the end – 3090 – but that isn’t really how I got
> into IBM.) 
>
> I think there was / is a 1904 in the Science Museum in London.
>
> Cheers, Martin
>
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
> of Steve Thompson 
> Date: Monday, 26 February 2024 at 22:02
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Signing off
> I had to re-read that line "first started on an ICL 1904" a few
> times before I my brain realized that was a model number and not
> a year.
>
> Blue skies and tail winds.
>
> Enjoy your next set of activities.
>
> Regards,
> Steve Thompson
>
> On 2/26/2024 2:51 PM, Sean Gleann wrote:
> > This list has been a great source of ideas and information, although I've
> > never really been a 'contributor' here, but more of a 'lurker'. Whenever
> > I've seen a thread that I might be able to respond to, someone else gets
> in
> > first with a response very similar to the one that I thought of.
> >
> > So, I hope you won't mind me speaking up now to say that it's time for
> this
> > tired old mainframer to toddle off into the sunset... after 50 years of
> > working with mainframe systems, I feel it's time to hang up my keyboard
> and
> > call it a day.
> >
> > I first started on an ICL 1904 - punched cards, paper tape, core memory,
> > 60MB disks, GEORGE II - but quickly saw the light and moved to another
> > employer that used a 360/30 roughly 8 years after the series was first
> > marketed. Since then, aside from a brief entanglement with a Burroughs
> > B4700, it's been IBM all the way.
> >
> > I have to say that it's (mostly) been a lot of fun. From one aspect, I've
> > never really worked a day in my life. Instead, I've been paid a lot of
> > money to play on other people's expensive toys.
> >
> > Here's wishing all of you good luck and good fortune for the future. I'll
> > be thinking about doing some travelling - haven't made it to South
> America
> > or Africa yet.
> >
> > Regards
> > Sean o'bhaile na Gleann
> >
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Re: Signing off

[Martin Packer]

My Dad (now long since retired) worked with 1904’s and then 29xx and 39xx.

(He also had IBM kit in the end – 3090 – but that isn’t really how I got into 
IBM.) 

I think there was / is a 1904 in the Science Museum in London.

Cheers, Martin

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Steve Thompson 
Date: Monday, 26 February 2024 at 22:02
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Signing off
I had to re-read that line "first started on an ICL 1904" a few
times before I my brain realized that was a model number and not
a year.

Blue skies and tail winds.

Enjoy your next set of activities.

Regards,
Steve Thompson

On 2/26/2024 2:51 PM, Sean Gleann wrote:
> This list has been a great source of ideas and information, although I've
> never really been a 'contributor' here, but more of a 'lurker'. Whenever
> I've seen a thread that I might be able to respond to, someone else gets in
> first with a response very similar to the one that I thought of.
>
> So, I hope you won't mind me speaking up now to say that it's time for this
> tired old mainframer to toddle off into the sunset... after 50 years of
> working with mainframe systems, I feel it's time to hang up my keyboard and
> call it a day.
>
> I first started on an ICL 1904 - punched cards, paper tape, core memory,
> 60MB disks, GEORGE II - but quickly saw the light and moved to another
> employer that used a 360/30 roughly 8 years after the series was first
> marketed. Since then, aside from a brief entanglement with a Burroughs
> B4700, it's been IBM all the way.
>
> I have to say that it's (mostly) been a lot of fun. From one aspect, I've
> never really worked a day in my life. Instead, I've been paid a lot of
> money to play on other people's expensive toys.
>
> Here's wishing all of you good luck and good fortune for the future. I'll
> be thinking about doing some travelling - haven't made it to South America
> or Africa yet.
>
> Regards
> Sean o'bhaile na Gleann
>
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Re: Signing off

[Tom Brennan]

Happy retirement!
Tom Brennan - formerly O'Brennan a long time ago, I've heard.

On 2/26/2024 11:51 AM, Sean Gleann wrote:

This list has been a great source of ideas and information, although I've
never really been a 'contributor' here, but more of a 'lurker'. Whenever
I've seen a thread that I might be able to respond to, someone else gets in
first with a response very similar to the one that I thought of.

So, I hope you won't mind me speaking up now to say that it's time for this
tired old mainframer to toddle off into the sunset... after 50 years of
working with mainframe systems, I feel it's time to hang up my keyboard and
call it a day.

I first started on an ICL 1904 - punched cards, paper tape, core memory,
60MB disks, GEORGE II - but quickly saw the light and moved to another
employer that used a 360/30 roughly 8 years after the series was first
marketed. Since then, aside from a brief entanglement with a Burroughs
B4700, it's been IBM all the way.

I have to say that it's (mostly) been a lot of fun. From one aspect, I've
never really worked a day in my life. Instead, I've been paid a lot of
money to play on other people's expensive toys.

Here's wishing all of you good luck and good fortune for the future. I'll
be thinking about doing some travelling - haven't made it to South America
or Africa yet.

Regards
Sean o'bhaile na Gleann

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Re: Signing off

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On 2/26/2024 2:51 PM, Sean Gleann wrote:

This list has been a great source of ideas and information, although I've
never really been a 'contributor' here, but more of a 'lurker'. Whenever
I've seen a thread that I might be able to respond to, someone else gets in
first with a response very similar to the one that I thought of.

So, I hope you won't mind me speaking up now to say that it's time for this
tired old mainframer to toddle off into the sunset... after 50 years of
working with mainframe systems, I feel it's time to hang up my keyboard and
call it a day.

I first started on an ICL 1904 - punched cards, paper tape, core memory,
60MB disks, GEORGE II - but quickly saw the light and moved to another
employer that used a 360/30 roughly 8 years after the series was first
marketed. Since then, aside from a brief entanglement with a Burroughs
B4700, it's been IBM all the way.

I have to say that it's (mostly) been a lot of fun. From one aspect, I've
never really worked a day in my life. Instead, I've been paid a lot of
money to play on other people's expensive toys.

Here's wishing all of you good luck and good fortune for the future. I'll
be thinking about doing some travelling - haven't made it to South America
or Africa yet.

Regards
Sean o'bhaile na Gleann

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Re: Signing off

[Steve Thompson]

I had to re-read that line "first started on an ICL 1904" a few 
times before I my brain realized that was a model number and not 
a year.


Blue skies and tail winds.

Enjoy your next set of activities.

Regards,
Steve Thompson

On 2/26/2024 2:51 PM, Sean Gleann wrote:

This list has been a great source of ideas and information, although I've
never really been a 'contributor' here, but more of a 'lurker'. Whenever
I've seen a thread that I might be able to respond to, someone else gets in
first with a response very similar to the one that I thought of.

So, I hope you won't mind me speaking up now to say that it's time for this
tired old mainframer to toddle off into the sunset... after 50 years of
working with mainframe systems, I feel it's time to hang up my keyboard and
call it a day.

I first started on an ICL 1904 - punched cards, paper tape, core memory,
60MB disks, GEORGE II - but quickly saw the light and moved to another
employer that used a 360/30 roughly 8 years after the series was first
marketed. Since then, aside from a brief entanglement with a Burroughs
B4700, it's been IBM all the way.

I have to say that it's (mostly) been a lot of fun. From one aspect, I've
never really worked a day in my life. Instead, I've been paid a lot of
money to play on other people's expensive toys.

Here's wishing all of you good luck and good fortune for the future. I'll
be thinking about doing some travelling - haven't made it to South America
or Africa yet.

Regards
Sean o'bhaile na Gleann

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Re: Signing off

[Robley Lutz]

Bon Voyage

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 2:52 PM Sean Gleann <
05c8f47efdd2-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> This list has been a great source of ideas and information, although I've
> never really been a 'contributor' here, but more of a 'lurker'. Whenever
> I've seen a thread that I might be able to respond to, someone else gets in
> first with a response very similar to the one that I thought of.
>
> So, I hope you won't mind me speaking up now to say that it's time for this
> tired old mainframer to toddle off into the sunset... after 50 years of
> working with mainframe systems, I feel it's time to hang up my keyboard and
> call it a day.
>
> I first started on an ICL 1904 - punched cards, paper tape, core memory,
> 60MB disks, GEORGE II - but quickly saw the light and moved to another
> employer that used a 360/30 roughly 8 years after the series was first
> marketed. Since then, aside from a brief entanglement with a Burroughs
> B4700, it's been IBM all the way.
>
> I have to say that it's (mostly) been a lot of fun. From one aspect, I've
> never really worked a day in my life. Instead, I've been paid a lot of
> money to play on other people's expensive toys.
>
> Here's wishing all of you good luck and good fortune for the future. I'll
> be thinking about doing some travelling - haven't made it to South America
> or Africa yet.
>
> Regards
> Sean o'bhaile na Gleann
>
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Signing off

[Sean Gleann]

This list has been a great source of ideas and information, although I've
never really been a 'contributor' here, but more of a 'lurker'. Whenever
I've seen a thread that I might be able to respond to, someone else gets in
first with a response very similar to the one that I thought of.

So, I hope you won't mind me speaking up now to say that it's time for this
tired old mainframer to toddle off into the sunset... after 50 years of
working with mainframe systems, I feel it's time to hang up my keyboard and
call it a day.

I first started on an ICL 1904 - punched cards, paper tape, core memory,
60MB disks, GEORGE II - but quickly saw the light and moved to another
employer that used a 360/30 roughly 8 years after the series was first
marketed. Since then, aside from a brief entanglement with a Burroughs
B4700, it's been IBM all the way.

I have to say that it's (mostly) been a lot of fun. From one aspect, I've
never really worked a day in my life. Instead, I've been paid a lot of
money to play on other people's expensive toys.

Here's wishing all of you good luck and good fortune for the future. I'll
be thinking about doing some travelling - haven't made it to South America
or Africa yet.

Regards
Sean o'bhaile na Gleann

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Re: OFF TOPIC - SIGNING OFF LINKEDIN

[ITschak Mugzach]

It was the first item on google ... ;-)

בתאריך שבת, 4 בינו׳ 2020, 18:08, מאת willie bunter ‏<
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> Super.  It worked.  A massive thanks.
>
>
> On Saturday, January 4, 2020, 3:53:51 PM GMT, ITschak Mugzach <
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>
>  *To close your LinkedIn account:*
>
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>   2. Tap the Settings icon in the top right corner of your profile.
>   3. On the Account tab, tap Close account.
>   4. Tap Continue to proceed with closing your account.
>   5. Tap the reason for closing your account and tap Next.
>   6. Enter your account password and tap Done.
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 5:50 PM willie bunter <
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>
> > Good Morning All,
> >
> >I am trying to end my association with LINKEDIN.  I have looked at all
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Re: OFF TOPIC - SIGNING OFF LINKEDIN

[willie bunter]

Super.  It worked.  A massive thanks.


On Saturday, January 4, 2020, 3:53:51 PM GMT, ITschak Mugzach 
 wrote:  
 
 *To close your LinkedIn account:*

  1. Tap your profile picture.
  2. Tap the Settings icon in the top right corner of your profile.
  3. On the Account tab, tap Close account.
  4. Tap Continue to proceed with closing your account.
  5. Tap the reason for closing your account and tap Next.
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> Good Morning All,
>
>    I am trying to end my association with LINKEDIN.  I have looked at all
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>
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Re: OFF TOPIC - SIGNING OFF LINKEDIN

[ITschak Mugzach]

*To close your LinkedIn account:*

   1. Tap your profile picture.
   2. Tap the Settings icon in the top right corner of your profile.
   3. On the Account tab, tap Close account.
   4. Tap Continue to proceed with closing your account.
   5. Tap the reason for closing your account and tap Next.
   6. Enter your account password and tap Done.


On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 5:50 PM willie bunter <
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> Good Morning All,
>
> I am trying to end my association with LINKEDIN.  I have looked at all
> the options but I couldn't find anything.  I am sure it is staring me in
> the face.  Any suggestions would be gladly appreciated.
>
> Many thanks.
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OFF TOPIC - SIGNING OFF LINKEDIN

[willie bunter]

Good Morning All,

    I am trying to end my association with LINKEDIN.  I have looked at all the 
options but I couldn't find anything.  I am sure it is staring me in the face.  
Any suggestions would be gladly appreciated.

Many thanks.

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Re: Signing Off

[Grinsell, Don]

Retirement planning must be obfuscating my proof reading.  My bosses actual 
email address is randyhae...@mt.gov.  

Kindest regards once again.

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Enterprise Technology Services Bureau
SITSD/Montana Department of Administration
406.444.2983 (D)


"If not us, who?  If not now, when?"
~ John F. Kennedy

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Re: Signing Off

[Jill Grine]

Hello Don,
Grats on retirement!  Hardly seems like you are old enough, but then doesn't 
seem I am old enough to have retired two  years ago.  Anyway, I just wanted to 
say have a great life away from IT.  Wish you and your family all the best.

  From: "Grinsell, Don" <dgrins...@mt.gov>
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
 Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 12:03 PM
 Subject: Signing Off
   
I am retiring from the State of Montana on May 11th.  This opens a CICS Systems 
Programmer role here.  If anybody would be interested in relocating to Helena, 
Montana, please contact my boss, Randy Haefka <rhae...@mt.gov> for details.

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Donald Grinsell, Systems Programmer
Enterprise Technology Services Bureau
SITSD/Montana Department of Administration
406.444.2983


Vogonism: (n) originally defined as being overly bureaucratic; sticking too 
much to the book and leaving no room for original interpretation; requiring 
every single person to perceive and understand things only in a single, usually 
literal, fashion.

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Signing Off

[Grinsell, Don]

I am retiring from the State of Montana on May 11th.  This opens a CICS Systems 
Programmer role here.  If anybody would be interested in relocating to Helena, 
Montana, please contact my boss, Randy Haefka  for details.

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Donald Grinsell, Systems Programmer
Enterprise Technology Services Bureau
SITSD/Montana Department of Administration
406.444.2983


Vogonism: (n) originally defined as being overly bureaucratic; sticking too 
much to the book and leaving no room for original interpretation; requiring 
every single person to perceive and understand things only in a single, usually 
literal, fashion.

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