Re: Transfering files from z/OS to VSE
Twenty years ago, I used Netview FTP on z/OS to send actual JCL from a VSE system to an MVS system. Also received the output of the job back that way. The connection was dial-up, which I configured to automatically start the connection when the job was started on VSE. The VSE system was in OKC, the MVS system was in Pittsburgh. Unfortunately, I don't think Netview FTP is marketed/supported anymore. But the capabilities were amazing. I still think you could use FTP if both systems can ping the other. Matthew On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:19:02 -0500, Tony Thigpen wrote: >If you have IP on both, which you indicated when you said "FTP via an >open system", why do you not have direct IP connectivity so you can FTP >directly? > >All you need is one side to have either an external address or a >port-forwarding setup from an external address. (It's not needed at both >ends, just at the end that is not starting the FTP transfer.) > >Tony Thigpen > >Gadi Ben-Avi wrote on 12/4/19 8:54 AM: >> The systems are not connected in any way. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of >> Edgington, Jerry >> Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 3:29 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: Transfering files from z/OS to VSE >> >> You can also use NJE over IP. But, if you use shared DASD, be careful about >> the VTOC. I remember some kind of issue between the z/VSE and z/OS >> formatting. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of >> Tony Thigpen >> Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 8:27 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: Transfering files from z/OS to VSE >> >> Are you in the same room where you can just attached the z/OS disk to the >> z/VSE system? (Works for DAM files, but not VSAM.) >> >> You can also use IDCAMS EXPORT/IMPORT to tape/vtape. >> >> Then, there is FTP directly from z/OS to z/VSE, but with variable records, >> there is some special site commands. And, those differ on the z/VSE site >> depending on which TCP/IP product you have there. >> >> Tony Thigpen >> >> Gadi Ben-Avi wrote on 12/4/19 8:16 AM: >>> Hi, >>> We need to transfer files from z/OS to VSE. >>> The files are large, variable and have long record lengths. >>> The files will be transferred using open systems as an intermediate. >>> >>> If I was transferring to another z/OS system. I would use XMIT or AMATERSE >>> to create a transportable file. >>> >>> Does VSE have a function comparable to RECEIVE or AMATERSE? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Gadi >>> -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Transfering files from z/OS to VSE
OK, so you said transmit via open system. IMHO, The easiest way is to use IDCAMS to REPRO the file to a flat file (RECFM=V). Then, ZIP the file, and send it over the open systems, which should have no problem with a ZIP file. When it gets to the far end (VSE), just unzip it and use IDCAMS REPRO to load it back into a variable file. Joe On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 9:54 AM Gadi Ben-Avi wrote: > The systems are not connected in any way. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Edgington, Jerry > Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 3:29 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Transfering files from z/OS to VSE > > You can also use NJE over IP. But, if you use shared DASD, be careful > about the VTOC. I remember some kind of issue between the z/VSE and z/OS > formatting. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Tony Thigpen > Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 8:27 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Transfering files from z/OS to VSE > > Are you in the same room where you can just attached the z/OS disk to the > z/VSE system? (Works for DAM files, but not VSAM.) > > You can also use IDCAMS EXPORT/IMPORT to tape/vtape. > > Then, there is FTP directly from z/OS to z/VSE, but with variable records, > there is some special site commands. And, those differ on the z/VSE site > depending on which TCP/IP product you have there. > > Tony Thigpen > > Gadi Ben-Avi wrote on 12/4/19 8:16 AM: > > Hi, > > We need to transfer files from z/OS to VSE. > > The files are large, variable and have long record lengths. > > The files will be transferred using open systems as an intermediate. > > > > If I was transferring to another z/OS system. I would use XMIT or > AMATERSE to create a transportable file. > > > > Does VSE have a function comparable to RECEIVE or AMATERSE? > > > > Thanks > > > > Gadi > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > Email secured by Check Point > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Transfering files from z/OS to VSE
If you have IP on both, which you indicated when you said "FTP via an open system", why do you not have direct IP connectivity so you can FTP directly? All you need is one side to have either an external address or a port-forwarding setup from an external address. (It's not needed at both ends, just at the end that is not starting the FTP transfer.) Tony Thigpen Gadi Ben-Avi wrote on 12/4/19 8:54 AM: The systems are not connected in any way. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edgington, Jerry Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 3:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Transfering files from z/OS to VSE You can also use NJE over IP. But, if you use shared DASD, be careful about the VTOC. I remember some kind of issue between the z/VSE and z/OS formatting. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 8:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Transfering files from z/OS to VSE Are you in the same room where you can just attached the z/OS disk to the z/VSE system? (Works for DAM files, but not VSAM.) You can also use IDCAMS EXPORT/IMPORT to tape/vtape. Then, there is FTP directly from z/OS to z/VSE, but with variable records, there is some special site commands. And, those differ on the z/VSE site depending on which TCP/IP product you have there. Tony Thigpen Gadi Ben-Avi wrote on 12/4/19 8:16 AM: Hi, We need to transfer files from z/OS to VSE. The files are large, variable and have long record lengths. The files will be transferred using open systems as an intermediate. If I was transferring to another z/OS system. I would use XMIT or AMATERSE to create a transportable file. Does VSE have a function comparable to RECEIVE or AMATERSE? Thanks Gadi -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Email secured by Check Point -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Transfering files from z/OS to VSE
The systems are not connected in any way. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edgington, Jerry Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 3:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Transfering files from z/OS to VSE You can also use NJE over IP. But, if you use shared DASD, be careful about the VTOC. I remember some kind of issue between the z/VSE and z/OS formatting. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 8:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Transfering files from z/OS to VSE Are you in the same room where you can just attached the z/OS disk to the z/VSE system? (Works for DAM files, but not VSAM.) You can also use IDCAMS EXPORT/IMPORT to tape/vtape. Then, there is FTP directly from z/OS to z/VSE, but with variable records, there is some special site commands. And, those differ on the z/VSE site depending on which TCP/IP product you have there. Tony Thigpen Gadi Ben-Avi wrote on 12/4/19 8:16 AM: > Hi, > We need to transfer files from z/OS to VSE. > The files are large, variable and have long record lengths. > The files will be transferred using open systems as an intermediate. > > If I was transferring to another z/OS system. I would use XMIT or AMATERSE to > create a transportable file. > > Does VSE have a function comparable to RECEIVE or AMATERSE? > > Thanks > > Gadi > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Email secured by Check Point -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Transfering files from z/OS to VSE
There is no connection between the systems. We will have to use ftp to transfer the file to an intermidates open system, from there to another system and then to the VSE system. Gadi -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 3:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Transfering files from z/OS to VSE Are you in the same room where you can just attached the z/OS disk to the z/VSE system? (Works for DAM files, but not VSAM.) You can also use IDCAMS EXPORT/IMPORT to tape/vtape. Then, there is FTP directly from z/OS to z/VSE, but with variable records, there is some special site commands. And, those differ on the z/VSE site depending on which TCP/IP product you have there. Tony Thigpen Gadi Ben-Avi wrote on 12/4/19 8:16 AM: > Hi, > We need to transfer files from z/OS to VSE. > The files are large, variable and have long record lengths. > The files will be transferred using open systems as an intermediate. > > If I was transferring to another z/OS system. I would use XMIT or AMATERSE to > create a transportable file. > > Does VSE have a function comparable to RECEIVE or AMATERSE? > > Thanks > > Gadi > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Email secured by Check Point -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Transfering files from z/OS to VSE
You can also use NJE over IP. But, if you use shared DASD, be careful about the VTOC. I remember some kind of issue between the z/VSE and z/OS formatting. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 8:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Transfering files from z/OS to VSE Are you in the same room where you can just attached the z/OS disk to the z/VSE system? (Works for DAM files, but not VSAM.) You can also use IDCAMS EXPORT/IMPORT to tape/vtape. Then, there is FTP directly from z/OS to z/VSE, but with variable records, there is some special site commands. And, those differ on the z/VSE site depending on which TCP/IP product you have there. Tony Thigpen Gadi Ben-Avi wrote on 12/4/19 8:16 AM: > Hi, > We need to transfer files from z/OS to VSE. > The files are large, variable and have long record lengths. > The files will be transferred using open systems as an intermediate. > > If I was transferring to another z/OS system. I would use XMIT or AMATERSE to > create a transportable file. > > Does VSE have a function comparable to RECEIVE or AMATERSE? > > Thanks > > Gadi > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Transfering files from z/OS to VSE
Are you in the same room where you can just attached the z/OS disk to the z/VSE system? (Works for DAM files, but not VSAM.) You can also use IDCAMS EXPORT/IMPORT to tape/vtape. Then, there is FTP directly from z/OS to z/VSE, but with variable records, there is some special site commands. And, those differ on the z/VSE site depending on which TCP/IP product you have there. Tony Thigpen Gadi Ben-Avi wrote on 12/4/19 8:16 AM: Hi, We need to transfer files from z/OS to VSE. The files are large, variable and have long record lengths. The files will be transferred using open systems as an intermediate. If I was transferring to another z/OS system. I would use XMIT or AMATERSE to create a transportable file. Does VSE have a function comparable to RECEIVE or AMATERSE? Thanks Gadi -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Transfering files from z/OS to VSE
Hi, We need to transfer files from z/OS to VSE. The files are large, variable and have long record lengths. The files will be transferred using open systems as an intermediate. If I was transferring to another z/OS system. I would use XMIT or AMATERSE to create a transportable file. Does VSE have a function comparable to RECEIVE or AMATERSE? Thanks Gadi -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
