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ICU covers collation and lots more. Open source.
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On Wed, 1 May 2019 18:06:32 +, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
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>Don’t remember the model number, but it may have been a takeoff of '3270'.
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I remember something like that. All the logic was in a control box, connected
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On Wed, 1 May 2019 04:47:02 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:
> ...
>Another sequence (collation) problem which is also sometimes overlooked: one
>example - 'North' certainly comes before 'Northern'. This can be resolved by
>giving a space higher priority for this case.
>
This is sometimes appro
Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>IBM 7030 did something like the latter, but neither is right; it's worse.
>... Note that "CAMEL" comes after "Camel" but before "canary". So you can't
>simply say either that Aa.
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>A more important reason was that addition of mixed case in either IS
On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 21:05:00 -0300, Clark Morris wrote:
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>A more important reason was that addition of mixed case in either
>ISO/ASCII changed a compare from a simple Compare Logical Character
>into a subroutine. While this was always true if a true dictionary or
>phone book sort is wanted, this
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000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Paul Gilmartin) wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 08:30:34 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:
>>
>>... 3279 and similar IBM 3270 display terminals? Those heavy toys have 3 blue
>>switches, o
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 17:02:13 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>I recall, e.g., the 129, printing lower case.
>
Google is uninformative on the topic, but your memory is usually good. I never
used anything beyond 029. Had it a caps ke
On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 17:02:13 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>I recall, e.g., the 129, printing lower case.
>
Google is uninformative on the topic, but your memory is usually
good. I never used anything beyond 029. Had it a caps key, or
was multi-punch necessary?
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 08:30:34 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:
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>... 3279 and similar IBM 3270 display terminals? Those heavy toys have 3 blue
>switches, one for Normal/Test, one for 4 or 2 colours and l
On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 08:30:34 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:
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>... 3279 and similar IBM 3270 display terminals? Those heavy toys have 3 blue
>switches, one for Normal/Test, one for 4 or 2 colours and lastly one which
>switch from A,a to A or vice versa.
>
I never had one of those, but a clone
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When I started, also the terminals we used for online access (TSO, IMS etc.)
were uppercase only.
I don't know why, maybe because dual case were not avail
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Vernooij, Kees wrote:
>When I started, also the terminals we used for online access (TSO, IMS etc.)
>were uppercase only. I don't know why, maybe because dual case were not
>available, cost
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> Vernooij, Kees wrote:
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>> When I started, also the terminals we used for online access (TSO, IMS etc.)
>> were uppercase onl
On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 8:31 AM Elardus Engelbrecht <
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> Vernooij, Kees wrote:
>
> >When I started, also the terminals we used for online access (TSO, IMS
> etc.) were uppercase only. I don't know why, maybe because dual case were
> not available, cost more, w
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Vernooij, Kees wrote:
>When I started, also the
Vernooij, Kees wrote:
>When I started, also the terminals we used for online access (TSO, IMS etc.)
>were uppercase only. I don't know why, maybe because dual case were not
>available, cost more, were not necessary?
Perhaps you're refering to those 3279 and similar IBM 3270 display terminals?
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> Is the reason for this because upper case may be easier to read for folks
> whose first language is something other tha
Is the reason for this because upper case may be easier to read for folks
whose first language is something other than English?
I don't know the answer to the question, but FWIW, historically (long
before there was an ISPF or SDSF) one of the reasons for all-upper-case
was because many consol
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Just wondering... Is the reason for this because upper case may be easier to
read for folks who's first language is som
Gadi Ben-Avi wrote:
>I found a solution. There is an optional FMID you can download
>and install called JIF7R16 that adds libraries with upper case
>only versions of the panels, messages and some other libraries.
This FMID is intended to address the needs and/or preferences of some z/OS
customers
On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 09:00:10 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote:
>Just wondering... Is the reason for this because upper case may be
>easier to read for folks who's first language is something other than
>English?
>
It could be worse than that. For example:
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/
Upper case may be fine - until anyone needs to work with USS directories or
files through ISPF 3.17 or similar.
Mike Wawiorko
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libraries with upper case only versions of the panels, messages and some other
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: Sunday, April 28, 2019 11:32 PM
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I don't understand the question. ISPF doesn't have case defaults at the library
level.
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No.
It's not related to that question.
Gadi
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Hi,
We are currently working on upgrading to z/OS v2.3
ISPF is currently mixed case.
Is there a way to add upper case only libraries that are controlled by SMP/E to
ISPF.
Th
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 07:45:31 +, Gadi Ben-Avi wrote:
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>We are currently working on upgrading to z/OS v2.3
>ISPF is currently mixed case.
>Is there a way to add upper case only libraries that are controlled by SMP/E
>to ISPF.
>
Is this related to your question of July, 2018?:
https://listse
Hi,
We are currently working on upgrading to z/OS v2.3
ISPF is currently mixed case.
Is there a way to add upper case only libraries that are controlled by SMP/E to
ISPF.
Thanks
Gadi
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