Re: XYplorer - EBCDIC to ASCII translation - CP500 or something better

[Robert Prins]

On 2020-11-12 19:50, Robert Prins wrote:
For those who don't know, XYplorer  is a replacement 
for Windows' Explorer, with rather a lot more functionality, and that's a huge 
understatement. Like Tom Brennan's Vista TN3270, you can try it free for 30 
days, the "Standard License Pro" costs USD 39.95, never expires, and gives free 
upgrades (usually a few per week(!)) for a year, the "Lifetime License Pro" 
costs USD 79.95, never expires, and gives free upgrades forever. Both can be 
used on all of your computers.


OK, advertising out of the way, Donald Lessau the developer has added a tweak to 
  the "Mouse-Down Blow-Up" feature (click and hold on the icon of a file, and 
you'll see its contents) to auto-convert EBCDIC files. I asked for it (it's kind 
of useful to have a quick look at XMIT files containing source, README, or 
"$INDEX" like members) and he has hard-coded some defaults:


    The conversion is hard-coded to IBM EBCDIC International (codepage 500)
    and a record length of 80.
    Affects Text Preview, Hover Box, Mouse Down Blow Up, Quick File View,
    Floating Preview.

I suggested the LRECL=80, he himself went for CP 500. I've already suggested 
that he "externalizes" the CP, but if he doesn't, is there a opinion on which 
code-page might be more useful for "Joe Average".


For what it's worth, I suggested that the EBCDIC auto-detect is based on long 
strings of the ASCII "@" character, the EBCDIC space.


About your remarks about the codepage:

XY V21.20.0212:

* Added tweak to auto-detect and auto-convert EBCDIC files. Now you pass the
  CodePage and the RecLen right in the tweak, in the format "CP,RL", e.g.:
CheckForEBCDIC=1047,80

Robert
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Re: XYplorer - EBCDIC to ASCII translation - CP500 or something better

[Brian Westerman]

I use Directory Opus.  It has many more features than XYplorer, and a a bit 
more expensive, but it does everything (except Linux).  There are literally 
hundreds of plugins.

Brian

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Re: XYplorer - EBCDIC to ASCII translation - CP500 or something better

[Farley, Peter x23353]

+1.  I agree that CP 1047 should be the default.

Also agree the developer should be persuaded to externalize the code page 
chosen, if at all possible.  EBCDIC users can and should be expected to know 
and understand the ramifications of the code page requested from the software.

Peter

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Attila Fogarasi
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 3:46 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: XYplorer - EBCDIC to ASCII translation - CP500 or something better

Codepage 1047 is the IBM USS default codepage.  Since so much of z/OS now runs 
in USS it really is the standard.  There are 8 code poing differences between 
500 and 1047, including the crucial x'AD' and x'BD' :)

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 6:50 AM Robert Prins 
wrote:

> For those who don't know, XYplorer 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.xyplorer.com/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnf
> NniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!ZSocfAeqHZxvsW9uB_853ntXFCn2TlFRV_4Mtyo5mQDhpSjGhI
> _ho7ITvVr0y-rXcxXhTA$ > is a replacement for Windows' Explorer, with 
> rather a lot more functionality, and that's a huge understatement. 
> Like Tom Brennan's Vista TN3270, you can try it free for
> 30
> days, the "Standard License Pro" costs USD 39.95, never expires, and 
> gives free upgrades (usually a few per week(!)) for a year, the 
> "Lifetime License Pro"
> costs USD 79.95, never expires, and gives free upgrades forever. Both 
> can be used on all of your computers.
>
> OK, advertising out of the way, Donald Lessau the developer has added 
> a tweak to
>   the "Mouse-Down Blow-Up" feature (click and hold on the icon of a 
> file, and you'll see its contents) to auto-convert EBCDIC files. I 
> asked for it (it's kind of useful to have a quick look at XMIT files 
> containing source, README, or "$INDEX" like members) and he has 
> hard-coded some defaults:
>
> The conversion is hard-coded to IBM EBCDIC International (codepage 500)
> and a record length of 80.
> Affects Text Preview, Hover Box, Mouse Down Blow Up, Quick File View,
> Floating Preview.
>
> I suggested the LRECL=80, he himself went for CP 500. I've already 
> suggested that he "externalizes" the CP, but if he doesn't, is there a 
> opinion on which code-page might be more useful for "Joe Average".
>
> For what it's worth, I suggested that the EBCDIC auto-detect is based 
> on long strings of the ASCII "@" character, the EBCDIC space.
>
> Robert
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Re: XYplorer - EBCDIC to ASCII translation - CP500 or something better

[Seymour J Metz]

I'd be more interested if it ran on Linux and supported more code pages, both 
on the PC side and the z side.


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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 4:48 PM
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Subject: XYplorer - EBCDIC to ASCII translation - CP500 or something better

For those who don't know, XYplorer 
<https://secure-web.cisco.com/1txRrbtV0XP8MVmIvKL2TUY5592xDPKZMFBUYtHrY1NjAL6OPzkcLrKzqsYh7tfhXb8DPElC1kc-8qcDwLs0A2ddjuRHZzEM2M97jg8xNTkpGf1ikLzFKt2p9lAeVoo1wiPRvoUEJ4wAFqqc6gb59CbSwZ-O9SfE2AKLhHqeSyE6mNqMS_lpd1qevgKCE5JpbPHFkq0s3sHi9KV3FHf1JXmr5PwO2C69UoJ5rizwToddojI7OzR0ueYCoDZ9za4NgU0X25wY3vyT5DpQ3SX3x_y1ppL6CADAGqYTHzfy-HIgP5umXNv88buWTBTye-XvPaOS6SJZZO6CXNHCR5YNxK5GI4Hfor4o2S-fT0C3VQUF5qubWr_5lnv4gMOblNWKZmJqucqObCuroJ-inyhXy1ODJjFuuguLWq2iUKJonllAySl51va73BfJjqwvHh6EL/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.xyplorer.com%2F>
 is a replacement
for Windows' Explorer, with rather a lot more functionality, and that's a huge
understatement. Like Tom Brennan's Vista TN3270, you can try it free for 30
days, the "Standard License Pro" costs USD 39.95, never expires, and gives free
upgrades (usually a few per week(!)) for a year, the "Lifetime License Pro"
costs USD 79.95, never expires, and gives free upgrades forever. Both can be
used on all of your computers.

OK, advertising out of the way, Donald Lessau the developer has added a tweak to
  the "Mouse-Down Blow-Up" feature (click and hold on the icon of a file, and
you'll see its contents) to auto-convert EBCDIC files. I asked for it (it's kind
of useful to have a quick look at XMIT files containing source, README, or
"$INDEX" like members) and he has hard-coded some defaults:

The conversion is hard-coded to IBM EBCDIC International (codepage 500)
and a record length of 80.
Affects Text Preview, Hover Box, Mouse Down Blow Up, Quick File View,
Floating Preview.

I suggested the LRECL=80, he himself went for CP 500. I've already suggested
that he "externalizes" the CP, but if he doesn't, is there a opinion on which
code-page might be more useful for "Joe Average".

For what it's worth, I suggested that the EBCDIC auto-detect is based on long
strings of the ASCII "@" character, the EBCDIC space.

Robert
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Re: XYplorer - EBCDIC to ASCII translation - CP500 or something better

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 23:27:19 +, Robert Prins wrote:
>>> ...
>>> Both can be used on all of your computers.
>>>
>> One of my computers is a Raspberry Pi.
>
>Almost all of your computers.
> 
Another is a MacBook Pro with a Linux guest (does virtual count?)

>>>...
>> RECFM=V files may lack such long strings of x'40'.  Would better be a 
>> preponderance
>> of octets above x'80'?  But there should be an option to override.
>
>If you go for over 0x80, you end up in UTF-8 territory, which is also 
>auto-detected.
>
It's extremely unlikely that an EBCDIC file be valid UTF-8.  More plausibly 
ISO8859-?
(Which might also be auto-detected.)

-- gil

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Re: XYplorer - EBCDIC to ASCII translation - CP500 or something better

[Robert Prins]

On 2020-11-12 21:16, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 21:48:06 +, Robert Prins wrote:


For those who don't know, XYplorer  is a replacement
...
Both can be used on all of your computers.


One of my computers is a Raspberry Pi.


Almost all of your computers.


... auto-convert EBCDIC files. I asked for it (it's kind
of useful to have a quick look at XMIT files containing source, README, or
"$INDEX" like members) and he has hard-coded some defaults:

The conversion is hard-coded to IBM EBCDIC International (codepage 500)
and a record length of 80.


XMIT files of RECVM=VB source contain control information sufficient to
reconstruct line boundaries.  Lacking that, it's not only a "quick look" but
also dirty.  A PDS member TRANSMITted without the SEQ option is worse:
it's an IEBCOPY PDSU inside a .XMIT envelope.


The option only shows the top of the file, it's never going to be anything line 
XMIT Manager or XmitApp.



I suggested the LRECL=80, he himself went for CP 500. I've already suggested
that he "externalizes" the CP, ...


It should be externalized.


We'll see what he decides


For what it's worth, I suggested that the EBCDIC auto-detect is based on long
strings of the ASCII "@" character, the EBCDIC space.


RECFM=V files may lack such long strings of x'40'.  Would better be a 
preponderance
of octets above x'80'?  But there should be an option to override.


If you go for over 0x80, you end up in UTF-8 territory, which is also 
auto-detected.

Robert
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Re: XYplorer - EBCDIC to ASCII translation - CP500 or something better

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 21:48:06 +, Robert Prins wrote:

>For those who don't know, XYplorer  is a replacement
>...  
>Both can be used on all of your computers.
>
One of my computers is a Raspberry Pi.

>... auto-convert EBCDIC files. I asked for it (it's kind
>of useful to have a quick look at XMIT files containing source, README, or
>"$INDEX" like members) and he has hard-coded some defaults:
>
>The conversion is hard-coded to IBM EBCDIC International (codepage 500)
>and a record length of 80.
>
XMIT files of RECVM=VB source contain control information sufficient to
reconstruct line boundaries.  Lacking that, it's not only a "quick look" but
also dirty.  A PDS member TRANSMITted without the SEQ option is worse:
it's an IEBCOPY PDSU inside a .XMIT envelope.

>I suggested the LRECL=80, he himself went for CP 500. I've already suggested
>that he "externalizes" the CP, ...
> 
It should be externalized.

>For what it's worth, I suggested that the EBCDIC auto-detect is based on long
>strings of the ASCII "@" character, the EBCDIC space.
>
RECFM=V files may lack such long strings of x'40'.  Would better be a 
preponderance
of octets above x'80'?  But there should be an option to override.

-- gil

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Re: XYplorer - EBCDIC to ASCII translation - CP500 or something better

[Attila Fogarasi]

Codepage 1047 is the IBM USS default codepage.  Since so much of z/OS now
runs in USS it really is the standard.  There are 8 code poing differences
between 500 and 1047, including the crucial x'AD' and x'BD' :)

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 6:50 AM Robert Prins 
wrote:

> For those who don't know, XYplorer  is a
> replacement
> for Windows' Explorer, with rather a lot more functionality, and that's a
> huge
> understatement. Like Tom Brennan's Vista TN3270, you can try it free for
> 30
> days, the "Standard License Pro" costs USD 39.95, never expires, and gives
> free
> upgrades (usually a few per week(!)) for a year, the "Lifetime License
> Pro"
> costs USD 79.95, never expires, and gives free upgrades forever. Both can
> be
> used on all of your computers.
>
> OK, advertising out of the way, Donald Lessau the developer has added a
> tweak to
>   the "Mouse-Down Blow-Up" feature (click and hold on the icon of a file,
> and
> you'll see its contents) to auto-convert EBCDIC files. I asked for it
> (it's kind
> of useful to have a quick look at XMIT files containing source, README, or
> "$INDEX" like members) and he has hard-coded some defaults:
>
> The conversion is hard-coded to IBM EBCDIC International (codepage 500)
> and a record length of 80.
> Affects Text Preview, Hover Box, Mouse Down Blow Up, Quick File View,
> Floating Preview.
>
> I suggested the LRECL=80, he himself went for CP 500. I've already
> suggested
> that he "externalizes" the CP, but if he doesn't, is there a opinion on
> which
> code-page might be more useful for "Joe Average".
>
> For what it's worth, I suggested that the EBCDIC auto-detect is based on
> long
> strings of the ASCII "@" character, the EBCDIC space.
>
> Robert
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XYplorer - EBCDIC to ASCII translation - CP500 or something better

[Robert Prins]

For those who don't know, XYplorer  is a replacement 
for Windows' Explorer, with rather a lot more functionality, and that's a huge 
understatement. Like Tom Brennan's Vista TN3270, you can try it free for 30 
days, the "Standard License Pro" costs USD 39.95, never expires, and gives free 
upgrades (usually a few per week(!)) for a year, the "Lifetime License Pro" 
costs USD 79.95, never expires, and gives free upgrades forever. Both can be 
used on all of your computers.


OK, advertising out of the way, Donald Lessau the developer has added a tweak to 
 the "Mouse-Down Blow-Up" feature (click and hold on the icon of a file, and 
you'll see its contents) to auto-convert EBCDIC files. I asked for it (it's kind 
of useful to have a quick look at XMIT files containing source, README, or 
"$INDEX" like members) and he has hard-coded some defaults:


   The conversion is hard-coded to IBM EBCDIC International (codepage 500)
   and a record length of 80.
   Affects Text Preview, Hover Box, Mouse Down Blow Up, Quick File View,
   Floating Preview.

I suggested the LRECL=80, he himself went for CP 500. I've already suggested 
that he "externalizes" the CP, but if he doesn't, is there a opinion on which 
code-page might be more useful for "Joe Average".


For what it's worth, I suggested that the EBCDIC auto-detect is based on long 
strings of the ASCII "@" character, the EBCDIC space.


Robert
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