Re: [External] Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES

2020-05-26 Thread Pommier, Rex
Hi Clark,

Not "was", is, DYL280 aka Vision:Results still exists.  We run it in our 
datacenter.

Rex

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Subject: [External] Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES

[Default] On 22 May 2020 12:24:27 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
lenru...@gmail.com (lenru...@gmail.com) wrote:

> Remember DYL-AUDIT?  I wonder if it still lives?  Or for that matter any of 
> the DYL "languages".  IIRC we had DYL-260 and DYL-280 or something like that. 
>On Friday, May 22, 2020, 02:08:06 PM CDT, Carmen Vitullo 
>  wrote:  

DYL280 became Vision:Results from Broadcom.  It was a really powerful tool.  I 
would like to see a good optimizing compiler for it.

Clark Morris
> 
> Indeed, I'm aging myself, but I remember in the mid 70's auditors 
>coming in the data center with their own deck, 5081's programs that they 
>loaded, ran their audits then left.
>working for an outsourcer some time in 2001 the customer's auditors came in, 
>reviewed your (their) system you built, and interviewed you, they knew the 
>system, or appeared to. 
>now I'm not so confident they know what they are asking, and why
>
>
>Carmen Vitullo 
>
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>
>From: "Seymour J Metz"  
>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
>Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 1:46:08 PM 
>Subject: Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES 
>
>You were lucky; I've encountered far too many auditors who did not know what 
>to look for and at best could follow a cookbook, and not always an appropriate 
>cookbook. OTOH, a good auditor is a resource to be treasured. 

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Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES

2020-05-23 Thread Peter Relson

...one level 1 support tech actually told me what you had said, not 
documented that way but then why would it . 


The behavior of OPI= is (I think quite clearly) documented. There is a 
lengthy note. The documentation describes the default and the behavior 
from one IEASYSxx to another.

You apparently made an assumption about what Mark Z's IPLINFO showed 
(which is similar to what DISPLAY IPLINFO,OPI would have showed -- so not 
picking on Mark's program). 

And if you have a need to be able to tell what it sounds like you're 
trying to tell (No use of OPI for individual, no use of OPI=YES), then 
that is what RFE's are for.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design


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Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES

2020-05-22 Thread Clark Morris
[Default] On 22 May 2020 12:24:27 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
lenru...@gmail.com (lenru...@gmail.com) wrote:

> Remember DYL-AUDIT?  I wonder if it still lives?  Or for that matter any of 
> the DYL "languages".  IIRC we had DYL-260 and DYL-280 or something like that. 
>On Friday, May 22, 2020, 02:08:06 PM CDT, Carmen Vitullo 
>  wrote:  

DYL280 became Vision:Results from Broadcom.  It was a really powerful
tool.  I would like to see a good optimizing compiler for it.

Clark Morris
> 
> Indeed, I'm aging myself, but I remember in the mid 70's auditors coming in 
> the data center with their own deck, 5081's 
>programs that they loaded, ran their audits then left. 
>working for an outsourcer some time in 2001 the customer's auditors came in, 
>reviewed your (their) system you built, and interviewed you, they knew the 
>system, or appeared to. 
>now I'm not so confident they know what they are asking, and why 
>
>
>Carmen Vitullo 
>
>- Original Message -
>
>From: "Seymour J Metz"  
>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
>Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 1:46:08 PM 
>Subject: Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES 
>
>You were lucky; I've encountered far too many auditors who did not know what 
>to look for and at best could follow a cookbook, and not always an appropriate 
>cookbook. OTOH, a good auditor is a resource to be treasured. 

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Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES

2020-05-22 Thread Carmen Vitullo
now that you mention, yes from the makers of DYL250 - DYCLAR systems (sp) ? 
Sears used DYL250 in just about every application to fix(edit) raw data from 
Singer system, and then Series I systems from the store's polling data 




Carmen Vitullo 

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From: "lenru...@gmail.com"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:24:10 PM 
Subject: Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES 

Remember DYL-AUDIT? I wonder if it still lives? Or for that matter any of the 
DYL "languages". IIRC we had DYL-260 and DYL-280 or something like that. On 
Friday, May 22, 2020, 02:08:06 PM CDT, Carmen Vitullo  
wrote: 

Indeed, I'm aging myself, but I remember in the mid 70's auditors coming in the 
data center with their own deck, 5081's 
programs that they loaded, ran their audits then left. 
working for an outsourcer some time in 2001 the customer's auditors came in, 
reviewed your (their) system you built, and interviewed you, they knew the 
system, or appeared to. 
now I'm not so confident they know what they are asking, and why 


Carmen Vitullo 

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From: "Seymour J Metz"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 1:46:08 PM 
Subject: Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES 

You were lucky; I've encountered far too many auditors who did not know what to 
look for and at best could follow a cookbook, and not always an appropriate 
cookbook. OTOH, a good auditor is a resource to be treasured. 


-- 
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz 
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 

 
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Carmen Vitullo [cvitu...@hughes.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:20 PM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES 

I found this out by trial and error, and one level 1 support tech actually told 
me what you had said, not documented that way but then why would it . 
Auditors of past, on the mainframe knew what to look for, knew where to look 
and understood parmlib and the values, now... not so much 


Carmen Vitullo 

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From: "Peter Relson"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 1:13:08 PM 
Subject: Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES 

 
have in a shared parmlib IEASYS00 member OPI=NO 
... 
IEASYS LIST = (00,SA,20) (OP) 
... 
Mark's IPLINFO rexx shows 
OPI=YES, Default 
 

The OPI setting is reset as each IEASYSxx is processed, and it defaults to 
"YES". 
So as each IEASYSxx member is processed, its OPI value is set as the 
single OPI value that can be displayed after IPL. That is what is going 
on. That has little to do with what OPI=xxx values were in effect for the 
set of IEASYSxx members. 

So yes if for some reason you want the display to show "NO" then you will 
need OPI=NO in the last IEASYSxx. But that provides no useful information 
for cases where you have multiple IEASYSxx's. Only by manual examination 
can you see that all IEASYSxx's had OPI=NO in effect (and that no 
individual IEASYSxx parameter had specified OPI). 

If your audit wants to know that there was no use of OPI=YES (or OPI for 
an individual parameter), you're not going to be have a happy auditor 
unless they're willing to examine all the IEASYSxx's that were identified 
as being used. 

Peter Relson 
z/OS Core Technology Design 


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Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES

2020-05-22 Thread lenru...@gmail.com
 Remember DYL-AUDIT?  I wonder if it still lives?  Or for that matter any of 
the DYL "languages".  IIRC we had DYL-260 and DYL-280 or something like that.   
 On Friday, May 22, 2020, 02:08:06 PM CDT, Carmen Vitullo  
wrote:  
 
 Indeed, I'm aging myself, but I remember in the mid 70's auditors coming in 
the data center with their own deck, 5081's 
programs that they loaded, ran their audits then left. 
working for an outsourcer some time in 2001 the customer's auditors came in, 
reviewed your (their) system you built, and interviewed you, they knew the 
system, or appeared to. 
now I'm not so confident they know what they are asking, and why 


Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message -

From: "Seymour J Metz"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 1:46:08 PM 
Subject: Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES 

You were lucky; I've encountered far too many auditors who did not know what to 
look for and at best could follow a cookbook, and not always an appropriate 
cookbook. OTOH, a good auditor is a resource to be treasured. 


-- 
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz 
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 

 
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Carmen Vitullo [cvitu...@hughes.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:20 PM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES 

I found this out by trial and error, and one level 1 support tech actually told 
me what you had said, not documented that way but then why would it . 
Auditors of past, on the mainframe knew what to look for, knew where to look 
and understood parmlib and the values, now... not so much 


Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message - 

From: "Peter Relson"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 1:13:08 PM 
Subject: Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES 

 
have in a shared parmlib IEASYS00 member OPI=NO 
... 
IEASYS LIST = (00,SA,20) (OP) 
... 
Mark's IPLINFO rexx shows 
OPI=YES, Default 
 

The OPI setting is reset as each IEASYSxx is processed, and it defaults to 
"YES". 
So as each IEASYSxx member is processed, its OPI value is set as the 
single OPI value that can be displayed after IPL. That is what is going 
on. That has little to do with what OPI=xxx values were in effect for the 
set of IEASYSxx members. 

So yes if for some reason you want the display to show "NO" then you will 
need OPI=NO in the last IEASYSxx. But that provides no useful information 
for cases where you have multiple IEASYSxx's. Only by manual examination 
can you see that all IEASYSxx's had OPI=NO in effect (and that no 
individual IEASYSxx parameter had specified OPI). 

If your audit wants to know that there was no use of OPI=YES (or OPI for 
an individual parameter), you're not going to be have a happy auditor 
unless they're willing to examine all the IEASYSxx's that were identified 
as being used. 

Peter Relson 
z/OS Core Technology Design 


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Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES

2020-05-22 Thread Carmen Vitullo
Indeed, I'm aging myself, but I remember in the mid 70's auditors coming in the 
data center with their own deck, 5081's 
programs that they loaded, ran their audits then left. 
working for an outsourcer some time in 2001 the customer's auditors came in, 
reviewed your (their) system you built, and interviewed you, they knew the 
system, or appeared to. 
now I'm not so confident they know what they are asking, and why 


Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message -

From: "Seymour J Metz"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 1:46:08 PM 
Subject: Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES 

You were lucky; I've encountered far too many auditors who did not know what to 
look for and at best could follow a cookbook, and not always an appropriate 
cookbook. OTOH, a good auditor is a resource to be treasured. 


-- 
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz 
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 

 
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Carmen Vitullo [cvitu...@hughes.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:20 PM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES 

I found this out by trial and error, and one level 1 support tech actually told 
me what you had said, not documented that way but then why would it . 
Auditors of past, on the mainframe knew what to look for, knew where to look 
and understood parmlib and the values, now... not so much 


Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message - 

From: "Peter Relson"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 1:13:08 PM 
Subject: Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES 

 
have in a shared parmlib IEASYS00 member OPI=NO 
... 
IEASYS LIST = (00,SA,20) (OP) 
... 
Mark's IPLINFO rexx shows 
OPI=YES, Default 
 

The OPI setting is reset as each IEASYSxx is processed, and it defaults to 
"YES". 
So as each IEASYSxx member is processed, its OPI value is set as the 
single OPI value that can be displayed after IPL. That is what is going 
on. That has little to do with what OPI=xxx values were in effect for the 
set of IEASYSxx members. 

So yes if for some reason you want the display to show "NO" then you will 
need OPI=NO in the last IEASYSxx. But that provides no useful information 
for cases where you have multiple IEASYSxx's. Only by manual examination 
can you see that all IEASYSxx's had OPI=NO in effect (and that no 
individual IEASYSxx parameter had specified OPI). 

If your audit wants to know that there was no use of OPI=YES (or OPI for 
an individual parameter), you're not going to be have a happy auditor 
unless they're willing to examine all the IEASYSxx's that were identified 
as being used. 

Peter Relson 
z/OS Core Technology Design 


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Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES

2020-05-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
You were lucky; I've encountered far too many auditors who did not know what to 
look for and at best could follow a cookbook, and not always an appropriate 
cookbook. OTOH, a good auditor is a resource to be treasured.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Carmen Vitullo [cvitu...@hughes.net]
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:20 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES

I found this out by trial and error, and one level 1 support tech actually told 
me what you had said, not documented that way but then why would it .
Auditors of past, on the mainframe knew what to look for, knew where to look 
and understood parmlib and the values, now... not so much


Carmen Vitullo

- Original Message -

From: "Peter Relson" 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 1:13:08 PM
Subject: Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES


have in a shared parmlib IEASYS00 member OPI=NO
...
IEASYS LIST = (00,SA,20) (OP)
...
Mark's IPLINFO rexx shows
OPI=YES, Default


The OPI setting is reset as each IEASYSxx is processed, and it defaults to
"YES".
So as each IEASYSxx member is processed, its OPI value is set as the
single OPI value that can be displayed after IPL. That is what is going
on. That has little to do with what OPI=xxx values were in effect for the
set of IEASYSxx members.

So yes if for some reason you want the display to show "NO" then you will
need OPI=NO in the last IEASYSxx. But that provides no useful information
for cases where you have multiple IEASYSxx's. Only by manual examination
can you see that all IEASYSxx's had OPI=NO in effect (and that no
individual IEASYSxx parameter had specified OPI).

If your audit wants to know that there was no use of OPI=YES (or OPI for
an individual parameter), you're not going to be have a happy auditor
unless they're willing to examine all the IEASYSxx's that were identified
as being used.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design


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Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES

2020-05-22 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I found this out by trial and error, and one level 1 support tech actually told 
me what you had said, not documented that way but then why would it . 
Auditors of past, on the mainframe knew what to look for, knew where to look 
and understood parmlib and the values, now... not so much 


Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message -

From: "Peter Relson"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 1:13:08 PM 
Subject: Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES 

 
have in a shared parmlib IEASYS00 member OPI=NO 
... 
IEASYS LIST = (00,SA,20) (OP) 
... 
Mark's IPLINFO rexx shows 
OPI=YES, Default 
 

The OPI setting is reset as each IEASYSxx is processed, and it defaults to 
"YES". 
So as each IEASYSxx member is processed, its OPI value is set as the 
single OPI value that can be displayed after IPL. That is what is going 
on. That has little to do with what OPI=xxx values were in effect for the 
set of IEASYSxx members. 

So yes if for some reason you want the display to show "NO" then you will 
need OPI=NO in the last IEASYSxx. But that provides no useful information 
for cases where you have multiple IEASYSxx's. Only by manual examination 
can you see that all IEASYSxx's had OPI=NO in effect (and that no 
individual IEASYSxx parameter had specified OPI). 

If your audit wants to know that there was no use of OPI=YES (or OPI for 
an individual parameter), you're not going to be have a happy auditor 
unless they're willing to examine all the IEASYSxx's that were identified 
as being used. 

Peter Relson 
z/OS Core Technology Design 


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Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES

2020-05-22 Thread Peter Relson

have in a shared parmlib IEASYS00 member OPI=NO 
...
IEASYS LIST = (00,SA,20) (OP) 
...
Mark's IPLINFO rexx shows 
OPI=YES, Default 


The OPI setting is reset as each IEASYSxx is processed, and it defaults to 
"YES".
So as each IEASYSxx member is processed, its OPI value is set as the 
single OPI value that can be displayed after IPL. That is what is going 
on. That has little to do with what OPI=xxx values were in effect for the 
set of IEASYSxx members.

So yes if for some reason you want the display to show "NO" then you will 
need OPI=NO in the last IEASYSxx. But that provides no useful information 
for cases where you have multiple IEASYSxx's.  Only by manual examination 
can you see that all IEASYSxx's had OPI=NO in effect (and that no 
individual IEASYSxx parameter had specified OPI).

If your audit wants to know that there was no use of OPI=YES (or OPI for 
an individual parameter), you're not going to be have a happy auditor 
unless they're willing to examine all the IEASYSxx's that were identified 
as being used.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design


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Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES

2020-05-21 Thread Carmen Vitullo
the solution to the OPI using the default rather than what was specific has 
been resolved... 
apparently if you concatenate IEASYSxx members, and you want to ensure OPI=NO 
you MUST specify 
OPI=NO in the last member NIP is reads, I added OPI=NO to all three members I 
specify and now get 


OMVS=(00,23,SC), IEASYSSC 
OPI=NO, IEASYS20 
OPT=02, IEASYS00 
OSPROTECT=SYSTEM, Default 



Carmen Vitullo 

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From: "Carmen Vitullo"  
To: "IBM Mainframe Discussion List"  
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 12:03:51 PM 
Subject: Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES 



Thanks Michael, I've tried different options, removed added parmlibs no 
difference. my shared parmlib has IEASYS00,SA,SC, and SA, the other members 
contain only parameters that are not common to the entire plex 
SYS1.PARMLIB is added dynamically and has an IEASYS00 member that only contains 
CLPA. 
the response from IBM support seems to elude to the fact that they see the same 
as I am, I was curious if anyone is setting OPI=NO and seeing YES 
thanks again 


Carmen Vitullo 

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From: "Michael Babcock"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 11:27:48 AM 
Subject: Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES 

My Zelden IPLINFO shows OPI=YES and set by IEASYSD0. Do a D PARMLIB and 
ensure you are pulling the correct IEASYS00 member and have coded OPI=NO. 

My D IPLINFO shows the same as yours with respect to (OP) being shown and 
we don’t prompt either (M1 coded in Load parm). 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 11:06 AM Carmen Vitullo  wrote: 

> I'm working an audit issue which has been identified as a system exposure. 
> I have in a shared parmlib IEASYS00 member OPI=NO, my IPLPARMS are set as 
> 220100M1, but the D IPLINFO shows 
> 
> SYSTEM IPLED AT 23.20.28 ON 04/01/2020 
> RELEASE z/OS 02.03.00 LICENSE = z/OS 
> USED LOAD00 IN SYS1.IPLPARM ON 02201 
> ARCHLVL = 2 MTLSHARE = N 
> IEASYM LIST = (00,L) 
> IEASYS LIST = (00,SA,20) (OP) 
> Marks IPLINFO rexx shows 
> 
> OPI=YES, Default 
> SYSP=(00,SA,20), Operator 
> we are setting OPI=NO 
> and are not prompting or setting SYSP parameters via an operator request. 
> I have an open PMR with IBM but I wonder if anyone else sees the same 
> displays ? 
> thanks 
> Carmen 
> 
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Re: z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES

2020-04-22 Thread Michael Babcock
My Zelden IPLINFO shows OPI=YES and set by IEASYSD0.  Do a D PARMLIB and
ensure you are pulling the correct IEASYS00 member and have coded OPI=NO.

My D IPLINFO shows the same as yours with respect to (OP) being shown and
we don’t prompt either (M1 coded in Load parm).

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 11:06 AM Carmen Vitullo  wrote:

> I'm working an audit issue which has been identified as a system exposure.
> I have in a shared parmlib IEASYS00 member OPI=NO, my IPLPARMS are set as
> 220100M1, but the D IPLINFO shows
>
>  SYSTEM IPLED AT 23.20.28 ON 04/01/2020
>  RELEASE z/OS 02.03.00LICENSE = z/OS
>  USED LOAD00 IN SYS1.IPLPARM ON 02201
>  ARCHLVL = 2   MTLSHARE = N
>  IEASYM LIST = (00,L)
>  IEASYS LIST = (00,SA,20) (OP)
> Marks IPLINFO rexx shows
>
>  OPI=YES,   Default
> SYSP=(00,SA,20),   Operator
> we are setting OPI=NO
> and are not prompting or setting SYSP parameters via an operator request.
> I have an open PMR with IBM but I wonder if anyone else sees the same
> displays ?
> thanks
> Carmen
>
>
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z/OS 2.3 systems show OPI=YES

2020-04-22 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I'm working an audit issue which has been identified as a system exposure. I 
have in a shared parmlib IEASYS00 member OPI=NO, my IPLPARMS are set as 
220100M1, but the D IPLINFO shows 

 SYSTEM IPLED AT 23.20.28 ON 04/01/2020 
 RELEASE z/OS 02.03.00LICENSE = z/OS
 USED LOAD00 IN SYS1.IPLPARM ON 02201   
 ARCHLVL = 2   MTLSHARE = N 
 IEASYM LIST = (00,L)   
 IEASYS LIST = (00,SA,20) (OP)  
Marks IPLINFO rexx shows 

 OPI=YES,   Default 
SYSP=(00,SA,20),   Operator  
we are setting OPI=NO
and are not prompting or setting SYSP parameters via an operator request.
I have an open PMR with IBM but I wonder if anyone else sees the same displays ?
thanks
Carmen 
   

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