Timothy Sipples wrote:
>September 30, 2021: General Availability
>September 30, 2026: End of Service (Extended Service available for an
>additional charge)
>September 30, 2028: End of Extended Service
Ed Jaffe wrote:
>When this was discussed at SHARE St. Louis after Mike Perera's
>unfortunate
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 17:41:14 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>I'm n
On 2/28/2019 11:34 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote:
September 30, 2021: General Availability
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When this was discussed at SHARE St. Louis after Mike Perera's
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> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 18:06:35 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
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JES2 and JES3 can coexist. I am sure there are some arcane rules (as indicated
below).
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IBM published JES3 to JES2 migration redbooks in 2014 and 2018, available
here:
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg248083.pdf
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg248427.pdf
The general recommendation is a phased, stepwise migration, taking
advantage of the fact that IBM supports
On 2/28/2019 3:06 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
I'm not so sure... Is it not possible to run JES2 and JES3 at the same
time on a z/OS image? Certainly you can run multiple JES2s. Yes, there
are a few things that a secondary JES can't do, but I would think that
would be the way to convert. Of course
On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 18:06:35 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
>Is it not possible to run JES2 and JES3 at the same
>time on a z/OS image? Certainly you can run multiple JES2s. Yes, there
>are a few things that a secondary JES can't do, but I would think that
>would be the way to convert. Of course at
On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 06:27, Larre Shiller
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> A JES3-to-JES2 conversion effort is a high risk change that requires
> essentially the same level of effort as a conversion from one platform to
> another--but it has the disadvantage of a 100%
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> Do you the think the z/OS overall ecosystem and the platform is made
On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 17:41:14 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>I'm not the one who says "I hate EBCDIC"; I certainly like EBCDIC better than
>ASCII.
>
Why? Is it largely 8-bit vs. 7-bit? Would it be fairer to compare (any of)
the EBCDIC
code pages to (any of) ISO-8859-x? In either case there's
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On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:41 AM Seymour J Metz wrote:
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On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:41 AM Seymour J Metz wrote:
> I'm not the one who says "I hate EBCDIC"; I certainly like EBCDIC better
> than ASCII.
>
My apologies. I was confused. That is "gil". I prefer Unicode, personally.
And I really don't want to get into a discussion about "collating
on.gmu.edu/~smetz3
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> On Feb 28, 2019, at 7:22 AM, John McKown wrote:
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> On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 2:43 PM Knutson, Samuel <
> samuel.knut...@compuware.com> wrote:
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>> Do you the think the z/OS
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 3:50 PM Seymour J Metz wrote:
> I would consider JES3 superior to JES2, but such questions rarely have a
> consensus answer.
>
> Is TSO really considered by all to be better than CMS? Is REXX really
> considered by all to be better than Perl? Is P/I really considered by
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 2:43 PM Knutson, Samuel <
samuel.knut...@compuware.com> wrote:
> Do you the think the z/OS overall ecosystem and the platform is made
> stronger or weaker by getting to one JES?
>
Yes.
>
> I think that for a core part of the mainframe platform rationalizing to a
>
> Do you the think the z/OS overall ecosystem and the platform is made stronger
> or weaker by getting to one JES?
Well... I guess there are a number of ways to look at that. But I think that
IBM runs the risk of losing some number of z/OS customers as a result of this,
which could in the
On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 23:36:59 +, Savor, Thomas (Alpharetta) wrote:
>
>... To fix this, it required us to split many jobs in half, some even
>more...the run total got to be somewhere around 6500+ jobs in total. But we
>had to build dataset create jobs that were parm cards to a utility to
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Don't want to start a War between the 2 versions, but I'm curious as to why you
believe JES3 to
ard" wont
make it to JES2.
Thanks,
Tom Savor
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On 2/27/2019 1:31 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
Stronger, but with the caveat that if the consolidated product provides for
either
JES2-like or JES3-like behavior at the option of the site or of the individual
user
the burden on vendors remains.
Both JESes are full of options today. Nothing
J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
>
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>That means a) IBM has until September 2023 to fully bring JES2 up to
>JES3 standard
Is JES3 really considered by all to be better than JES2 ??
I know it was 20 years ago, but JES3 gave me nightmares, whereas JES2 never has.
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Do you the think the z/OS overall ecosystem and the platform is made stronger
or weaker by getting to one JES?
I think that for a core
On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 20:43:17 +, Knutson, Samuel wrote:
>Do you the think the z/OS overall ecosystem and the platform is made stronger
>or weaker by getting to one JES?
>
>I think that for a core part of the mainframe platform rationalizing to a
>single standard configuration of the OS from
https://www.mxg.com/thebuttonman/html/button589.htm
In a message dated 2/27/2019 2:43:43 PM Central Standard Time,
samuel.knut...@compuware.com writes:
Do you the think the z/OS overall ecosystem and the platform is made stronger
or weaker by getting to one JES?
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>That means a) IBM has until September 2023 to fully bring JES2 up to
>JES3 standard
Is JES3 really considered by all to be better than JES2 ??
I know it was 20 years ago, but JES3 gave me nightmares, w
On 2/27/2019 8:18 AM, Savor, Thomas (Alpharetta) wrote:
That means a) IBM has until September 2023 to fully bring JES2 up to
JES3 standard
Is JES3 really considered by all to be better than JES2 ??
I know it was 20 years ago, but JES3 gave me nightmares, whereas JES2 never has.
From an
JES3 will not start your job until datasets are released and space is
available. JES2 starts your job then waits until the datasets are
available, and you can run out of space.
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 10:18 AM Savor, Thomas (Alpharetta)
wrote:
>
> >That means a) IBM has until September 2023 to
Well,
I was informed 20 years ago JES2 is future for JES and JES3 is not.
End of JES3 cannot be called "unexpected".
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W dniu 2019-02-27 o 16:54, Ed Jaffe pisze:
On 2/27/2019 6:44 AM, Roach, Dennis wrote:
Is the last release planned to be 2.3 or 2.5?
>That means a) IBM has until September 2023 to fully bring JES2 up to
>JES3 standard
Is JES3 really considered by all to be better than JES2 ??
I know it was 20 years ago, but JES3 gave me nightmares, whereas JES2 never has.
From an application point of view.
Thanks,
Tom Savor
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On 2/27/20
On 2/27/2019 6:44 AM, Roach, Dennis wrote:
Is the last release planned to be 2.3 or 2.5?
z/OS 2.5 (or whatever it will be called) aka "the release following z/OS
V2R4" will be the last one to include the JES3 feature.
That means a) IBM has until September 2023 to fully bring JES2 up to
dule
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On 2/26/2019 10:35 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:
There is still much more to do to bring JES2 up to JES3 standard, but
apparently IBM believes they can get it all done by September 2021...
Hahaha, LOL, I don't believe in such predictions that something will happens at
time X/Y/Z. Usually I
Ed Jaffe wrote:
>z/OS V2R5 (or whatever it will be called) will be the last release to include
>the JES3 feature. IBM justifies that decision in this way:
I am feeling for you, you who are really who is one of the serious top-gun JES3
gurus.
I remember the ten thousand millions (and still
On 2/26/2019 10:05 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
There is still much more to do to bring JES2 up to JES3 standard, but
apparently IBM believes they can get it all done by September 2021...
Correction: by 2023. They could continue to enhance JES2 via continuous
delivery right up until the expected
z/OS V2R5 (or whatever it will be called) will be the last release to
include the JES3 feature. IBM justifies that decision in this way:
"JES2 has added functionality, including dependent job control, deadline
scheduling, 8-character job classes, and interpreting JES3 JECL control
statements.
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